Vince Young has lost it....

[Ickey44]

Very big talk from Vince Young

Posted by Mike Florio on August 5, 2009 3:26 PM ET

We suppose it's fitting that, with one of the top-ten quarterback busts from 2006 in the news as he struggles to avoid sliding to third on the depth chart in Arizona, the other top-ten quarterback bust from 2006 is setting a bar for himself that, given his career to date, is unrealistic to the point of complete and total delusion.

Young, you see, has a prediction for his career. A big one.

"I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl," Young tells Esquire magazine (via Will Brinson FanHouse).

"And I will be in the Hall of Fame."

To borrow a line from Borat Sagdiev, "Wow-wow-we-wow."

Hey, maybe Vince Young will suddenly undergo a career transformation in 2009 or not long thereafter. But to make that kind of guarantee seems to confirm that he's simply not smart enough to be a successful quarterback in the NFL.

In our view, if Young were smart enough to be a successful quarterback in the NFL, Young also would be smart enough to know that the last thing he should be doing at this juncture of his pro career is making boasts of Lombardi Trophies and bronze busts.

Meanwhile, we wonder what more accomplished black quarterbacks like Donovan McNabb think of this assertion from Young. In a roundabout way, Young is saying that none of them will win a Super Bowl before Young gets his act together and carries an entire team to the sport's ultimate team accomplishment.

Though one thing we've learned from watching the NFL is that nothing can be ruled out, we like McNabb's chances a lot more than Young's.

And even if Young ends up on track for a Super Bowl win or a bust in Canton, we suggest that he set his sights a tad lower for now.

Becoming a starting quarterback again would be a good place to start.

He hasn't seen the field in a year and a half and now he's going to Canton. Nice.

[Thurmanation]

i don't think anyone should doubt the mans talent, he was injured and they put in the back up and the back up just stayed in..no doubt in my mind if VY was the starter the Titans would be much better...Remember they had the 3rd overall pick when they took Young.

[ArmyBengal]

When he gets back on the field, let this debate continue. Until then, mute point...

[Thurmanation]

When he gets back on the field, let this debate continue. Until then, mute point...

Agreed, i think the Titans are really shooting themselves in the foot though by not playing him

[ArmyBengal]

I'm not going to say for one minute that VY doesn't possess the talent, but for one reason or another he's not getting his shot with the Titans. I think he's off though in the next African American QB to win the Super Bowl, as I think McNabb has a MUCH better shot than him "at this point in time".

[Dimster28]

i don't think anyone should doubt the mans talent, he was injured and they put in the back up and the back up just stayed in..no doubt in my mind if VY was the starter the Titans would be much better...Remember they had the 3rd overall pick when they took Young.

Remember Bengals had the 3rd overall pick when they took akili smith

[ArmyBengal]

I love you Dim, but there's just no way you can compare the two of them. VY was rookie of the year and went to the pro bowl. That one year was better than all the "bests" in Akili's entire career. Come to think of it, were there any "bests" in Akili's career.

[gregstephens]

I'm not sure where the VY love-fest is coming from. By actually watching him play (when he played), he is erratic and makes poor decisions on the football field. He was a great college quarterback that will NEVER be a quality starter in the NFL. He continues to demonstrate immaturity on and off the field and actually talks like he'd be better suited playing receiver.

[Dimster28]

Young is a one-year wonder while akili smith of course is a zero-year wonder

but is Young more than a one-year wonder, i doubt it, madden curse crushed him that badly lol

[ArmyBengal]

I don't think it's so much a love-fest so to speak, rather the fact of acknowledging he does have the athletic talent to be a good NFL QB. That's not to say he will repeat what he did his rookie year ever again, but the talent is there. He is one of those guys that would do well with a change of location. Matt Lienart is another...

[gregstephens]

I'm not sure what the Rookie of the Year thing was about. He had 12 tds, 13 picks, and a passer rating of 66.7 while fumbling 12 times (losing 3). He ran for 552 yards and passed for just over 2,100 yards. Running was his speciality. His completion ratio was only 51.5 percent. Do you really want him to repeat his rookie season?

2007, 9 tds and 17 picks. Passer rating 71.1. Threw for just over 2,500 yards I think, while only rushing for over 300. Ten more fumbles, losing 3. Percent completion 62.3.

2008, 3 games, 1 td, 2 picks.

I don't question his athletic talent. Many cases from history prove that's not what makes an NFL QB. The Titans are in no hurry to lose Collins and be forced to start this guy. He can't hold the ball and he throws in bad coverage. He's in essence a poor man's Michael Vick without the dog fighting.

[gregstephens]

Without the tough Titans defense, which had Haynesworth at that time, the Young-led Titans would have been a disaster.

[ArmyBengal]

The Titans are in no hurry to lose Collins and be forced to start this guy.

Which, regardless of what anyone thinks of him, is exactly why I said it was a mute point to even have the conversation of what he will or won't be in the future.

He can't get on the field, but yes, I get your point Greg...

[Ickey44]

I'm with Greg on this one. He's not been impressive when given the opportunity to play and he's shown a lot of immaturity with his actions and statements. I think the Titans wiffed on this one.

[HairOnFire]

He is one of those guys that would do well with a change of location.

If by change in location you mean a return to the classroom, well.....I think it's a bit too late for that.

And the Akili comparision isn't a bad one IMHO. (Not smart enough to play the position and too undisciplined to have the work habits needed to overcome the mental shortcomings.)

[Clackwoods]

i don't think anyone should doubt the mans talent, he was injured and they put in the back up and the back up just stayed in..no doubt in my mind if VY was the starter the Titans would be much better...Remember they had the 3rd overall pick when they took Young.

Remember Bengals had the 3rd overall pick when they took akili smith

Yea, but Akili didnt win Offensive rookie of the year. Everyone was swinging from his nuts his rookie year. I honestly can't believe that Kerry Collins is starting in TEN. I think after they lose their first couple games this year they will put him in. They are going to struggle heavily now that Albert is gone.

[Clackwoods]

He is one of those guys that would do well with a change of location.

If by change in location you mean a return to the classroom, well.....I think it's a bit too late for that.

And the Akili comparision isn't a bad one IMHO. (Not smart enough to play the position and too undisciplined to have the work habits needed to overcome the mental shortcomings.)

I think it is a totally unwarranted comparison.

In his first season of seeing major tick (WHICH WAS YEAR 2 not his rookie year) he was HORRIBLE.

He threw 3 tds and 6 ints in 12 games. He has a 44 percent completion percentage averaging yards per game with a 55 QB rating He also had just over 200 yards rushing and the bengals went 2 and 9

Vince rushed for over 500 yards and had 7 tds and just 1 pick more than tds. His completion rating and passer rating werent that good, but they were way better than Akili and comparable with Mike Vicks passing accuracy

[Ickey44]

i don't think anyone should doubt the mans talent, he was injured and they put in the back up and the back up just stayed in..no doubt in my mind if VY was the starter the Titans would be much better...Remember they had the 3rd overall pick when they took Young.

Remember Bengals had the 3rd overall pick when they took akili smith

Yea, but Akili didnt win Offensive rookie of the year. Everyone was swinging from his nuts his rookie year. I honestly can't believe that Kerry Collins is starting in TEN. I think after they lose their first couple games this year they will put him in. They are going to struggle heavily now that Albert is gone.

I would start Collins over Young any day. Collins has a more accurate arm, can read a defense and for the most part is smart with the football. Young makes ill-advised throws, inaccurate throws, and can't read a defense. He also had a well documented break down and once publicly admitted that he thought about retiring after his first year because the NFL is so hard. Now, after a year and a half of NOT starting, he proclaims he'll be the next black QB to win the Superbowl and go to the HOF? The guy's a moron. He's got athletic talent, no question, but he lacks the brains to properly use it.

I would love to see the reactions of other black QB's to this statement. Donovan, Campbell, Jamarcus, and T-Jack are probably wondering why they're being called out by this tool. Why not say he'll be the next QB to win the Superbowl?

[Clackwoods]

i don't think anyone should doubt the mans talent, he was injured and they put in the back up and the back up just stayed in..no doubt in my mind if VY was the starter the Titans would be much better...Remember they had the 3rd overall pick when they took Young.

Remember Bengals had the 3rd overall pick when they took akili smith

Yea, but Akili didnt win Offensive rookie of the year. Everyone was swinging from his nuts his rookie year. I honestly can't believe that Kerry Collins is starting in TEN. I think after they lose their first couple games this year they will put him in. They are going to struggle heavily now that Albert is gone.

I would start Collins over Young any day. Collins has a more accurate arm, can read a defense and for the most part is smart with the football. Young makes ill-advised throws, inaccurate throws, and can't read a defense. He also had a well documented break down and once publicly admitted that he thought about retiring after his first year because the NFL is so hard. Now, after a year and a half of NOT starting, he proclaims he'll be the next black QB to win the Superbowl and go to the HOF? The guy's a moron. He's got athletic talent, no question, but he lacks the brains to properly use it.

I would love to see the reactions of other black QB's to this statement. Donovan, Campbell, Jamarcus, and T-Jack are probably wondering why they're being called out by this tool. Why not say he'll be the next QB to win the Superbowl?

I agree with you on the fact that he is mentally unstable, but that is what coaches are for. They are their to unf**k people like that. He had a lot of issues because he has never taken criticism in his life and all the sudden his own fans were trashing him. Next, Kerry Collins is old as f**k and he isn't the long term answer at QB. Next year Vince gets paid like 15 million dollars and if they are going to go to him eventually why not do it next year. Your not going to build your team around a guy like Collins.

My second problem is please don't mention Jamarcus "Im a fat no talent bum", Tavaris "I am a poor mans Mike Vick", and Jason "I am so horrible my owner tries to get every QB in the league" Cambell in the same sentence with Donovan McNabb. I would take Young over any of those bums.

Honestly, if Vick does come back I think him and McNabb are the only 2 that have a shot at it in the near future outside of Young

[skyline]

I mentioned this thread to my Titans fan wife last night, and her response: "Finally caught on, have you?"

[HairOnFire]

I agree with you on the fact that he is mentally unstable....

...and yet you still think he deserves to be a starter.

[Ickey44]

i don't think anyone should doubt the mans talent, he was injured and they put in the back up and the back up just stayed in..no doubt in my mind if VY was the starter the Titans would be much better...Remember they had the 3rd overall pick when they took Young.

Remember Bengals had the 3rd overall pick when they took akili smith

Yea, but Akili didnt win Offensive rookie of the year. Everyone was swinging from his nuts his rookie year. I honestly can't believe that Kerry Collins is starting in TEN. I think after they lose their first couple games this year they will put him in. They are going to struggle heavily now that Albert is gone.

I would start Collins over Young any day. Collins has a more accurate arm, can read a defense and for the most part is smart with the football. Young makes ill-advised throws, inaccurate throws, and can't read a defense. He also had a well documented break down and once publicly admitted that he thought about retiring after his first year because the NFL is so hard. Now, after a year and a half of NOT starting, he proclaims he'll be the next black QB to win the Superbowl and go to the HOF? The guy's a moron. He's got athletic talent, no question, but he lacks the brains to properly use it.

I would love to see the reactions of other black QB's to this statement. Donovan, Campbell, Jamarcus, and T-Jack are probably wondering why they're being called out by this tool. Why not say he'll be the next QB to win the Superbowl?

I agree with you on the fact that he is mentally unstable, but that is what coaches are for. They are their to unf**k people like that. He had a lot of issues because he has never taken criticism in his life and all the sudden his own fans were trashing him. Next, Kerry Collins is old as f**k and he isn't the long term answer at QB. Next year Vince gets paid like 15 million dollars and if they are going to go to him eventually why not do it next year. Your not going to build your team around a guy like Collins.

My second problem is please don't mention Jamarcus "Im a fat no talent bum", Tavaris "I am a poor mans Mike Vick", and Jason "I am so horrible my owner tries to get every QB in the league" Cambell in the same sentence with Donovan McNabb. I would take Young over any of those bums.

Honestly, if Vick does come back I think him and McNabb are the only 2 that have a shot at it in the near future outside of Young

Campbell is way better than Young will ever be. Look at their stats and compare. Campbell will win a Superbowl before Young ever does. I doubt Young will ever start again. I think the Titans draft a QB next year and start him.

They can't build a franchise around Collins, true, but if Young was really the better QB he'd be playing. Collins led the Titans to a 13-3 record last year. Do you really think Young and his emotional instability could've done that?

How on Earth do you call Jamarcus a "fat no talent bum"? Nobody gets drafted that high if they're not talented. Aside from that, Russell threw for 2415 yds, 13 TD's, and 8 INT's last year for a a passer rating of 77.1, which is better than any year Young ever had (his best is is a 71.1 rating). And Young has had more talent around him on offense than Russell has.

And don't get me started on Vick. He's a running back in a QB's uniform.

[Ickey44]

Vince Young takes a step back

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 9, 2009 11:43 PM ET

Vince Young's numbers from his preseason debut Sunday night were poor: 5-of-10 passes for 39 yards, one touchdown, and an interception.

But as anyone who read Mr. Florio's liveblog, looked at Twitter, or actually watched the Hall of Fame game could attest, the numbers don't tell the whole story.

Young looked tentative and confused on the interception throw, and had three drives that ended in a three-and-out.

Yes, it was only the first of five preseason games. But the preseason is as vital to Young as any player in the league.

He needs to show his team and the rest of the league he still has the skills and confidence he displayed as a rookie. That didn't happen, although Young did have a nice touch pass for a score.

Patrick Ramsey, Young's competition for the backup job, looked composed while completing 8-of-10 passes for 72 yards. (Disclaimer: I graduated the same year as Ramsey from Tulane, so those numbers may be totally inflated. The same thing will happen with Matt Forte and Mewelde Moore.)

Tennessee plays again Saturday against Tampa. Young has plenty of time to improve his play, but he risks sliding further down the depth chart if he doesn't.

If he keeps playing like that, he could end up either third string or cut by the team.

[ArmyBengal]

There are still more games in the preseason, so there's time for Vince to figure this out, but yeah, if he keeps that up I don't think we will be seeing him in Canton any time soon.

[jjakq27]

Very big talk from Vince Young

Posted by Mike Florio on August 5, 2009 3:26 PM ET

We suppose it's fitting that, with one of the top-ten quarterback busts from 2006 in the news as he struggles to avoid sliding to third on the depth chart in Arizona, the other top-ten quarterback bust from 2006 is setting a bar for himself that, given his career to date, is unrealistic to the point of complete and total delusion.

Young, you see, has a prediction for his career. A big one.

"I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl," Young tells Esquire magazine (via Will Brinson FanHouse).

"And I will be in the Hall of Fame."

To borrow a line from Borat Sagdiev, "Wow-wow-we-wow."

Hey, maybe Vince Young will suddenly undergo a career transformation in 2009 or not long thereafter. But to make that kind of guarantee seems to confirm that he's simply not smart enough to be a successful quarterback in the NFL.

In our view, if Young were smart enough to be a successful quarterback in the NFL, Young also would be smart enough to know that the last thing he should be doing at this juncture of his pro career is making boasts of Lombardi Trophies and bronze busts.

Meanwhile, we wonder what more accomplished black quarterbacks like Donovan McNabb think of this assertion from Young. In a roundabout way, Young is saying that none of them will win a Super Bowl before Young gets his act together and carries an entire team to the sport's ultimate team accomplishment.

Though one thing we've learned from watching the NFL is that nothing can be ruled out, we like McNabb's chances a lot more than Young's.

And even if Young ends up on track for a Super Bowl win or a bust in Canton, we suggest that he set his sights a tad lower for now.

Becoming a starting quarterback again would be a good place to start.

He hasn't seen the field in a year and a half and now he's going to Canton. Nice.

The closest to the HoF he'll get was playing at Fawcett Stadium last night.