Bengals SIGN Laveranues Coles

[HAPPYJAQ]

"Trouble" Coles for as the highest paid Bengal receiver of all time? I don't think so. He'll be 32 in December.

For the same money and as much as I hate to say it, I'd rather have Crab or Mac. I still thinking trading down and picking the BPA, while getting an extra pick is the best option.

T.J. got "Arab Money". Good for him.

I know he reads message boards, so thanks for the memories and what he brought to the franchise over the last 8 seasons.

[ArmyBengal]

I know he reads message boards

He won't be anywhere near a Bengals board I imagine, unless he needs an ego stroke from the Bengals fans that think we should have paid him more than what he got from the Seahawks.

[HAPPYJAQ]

I know he reads message boards

He won't be anywhere near a Bengals board I imagine, unless he needs an ego stroke from the Bengals fans that think we should have paid him more than what he got from the Seahawks.

You're probably right, there. He could care less about Cincinnati and the fans right about now.

[BlainThePain]

Coles would be nice and would definitly put up big numbers here. I still believe we have more pressing needs. I think it's really starting to look possible that we trade down and take morony. Best RB avalible and if we could add a few OL in the second and third we could fix alot of problems right there. Who knows though it's the Bengals NO ONE knows what they are thinking I don't even know if they do...lol

If they don't do something soon, they won't have a chance to bring in a center. Meester, Brown, and Hangartner are off the market, and Grove is set to visit the Dolphins tomorrow, and I expect him to sign there. That leaves Birk in free-agency.

Brian Waters wants the Chiefs to trade him. He played center at a Probowl level, but he's 32. I'd give up a 4th or a 5th round pick for him because I think he has at least three more years of quality play left in him. At 320 lbs, he is the big, bulky center that we need. He played left guard for the Chiefs last season, so that shows he probably has good enough feet to get to the second level and block.

[Clackwoods]

If we sign Coles, we can finally put away this talk about Crabtree.

And, to some of you who think that we need a Center more than WR, or that we are stacked at WR. Apparantly we are not.

I am not convinced we are set at WR either, but Center and RB is defiantly a bigger need area. The reason being is we don't have any that are worth a s**t. I hope that we draft Crabtree and trade Chad. I want Moreno with a mid-first pick!

[ArmyBengal]

Center is still a bigger need than WR. It's really not hard to figure out why that is, but I will give you this. Our o-line BLOWS and the center position makes it all run. We have WR depth regardless how young they may be, who do we have at center ?? Crummey ??

I'm really glad to see Mack appearing to drop because he is still the ONE center I would like more than any of them.

[jditty47]

no way in hell do we take mareno. did you not see the issues with drafting a smaller back from the Perry/Irons injury sagas? I love both players but man i wish they could stay healthy

[TecmoFever]

If we sign Coles, we can finally put away this talk about Crabtree.

And, to some of you who think that we need a Center more than WR, or that we are stacked at WR. Apparantly we are not.

I am not convinced we are set at WR either, but Center and RB is defiantly a bigger need area. The reason being is we don't have any that are worth a s**t. I hope that we draft Crabtree and trade Chad. I want Moreno with a mid-first pick!

Why does everyone keep assuming that if we traded Chad, we'd get a 1st-round pick? I would love to see it happen, but I'm not so sure that it would be an automatic thing after last season.

On a similar note, how nice would it have been to have the Redskins pick this year and next?

[Kazkal]

"Trouble" Coles for as the highest paid Bengal receiver of all time? I don't think so. He'll be 32 in December.

For the same money and as much as I hate to say it, I'd rather have Crab or Mac. I still thinking trading down and picking the BPA, while getting an extra pick is the best option.

T.J. got "Arab Money". Good for him.

I know he reads message boards, so thanks for the memories and what he brought to the franchise over the last 8 seasons.

Coles doesn't cost you the 6th pick in the draft...

Crab & Mac do.....So gimme coles,Defense and Oline pass on a WR in the first 3 rounds....

[ArmyBengal]

Coles doesn't cost you the 6th pick in the draft...

Crab & Mac do.....So gimme coles,Defense and Oline pass on a WR in the first 3 rounds....

Or better yet, forget Coles, go with what we have in Chad, Henry, Simpson, and Caldwell. Then address the o-line and RB positions and follow that with what we can for the defense. I still think we can get something worth while for Chad, but that would require Coles. I'm getting a headache...

[Clackwoods]

We need a WR, badly.

Select Crabtree or sign Coles. SImpole as that.

Why with the TJ hating? Gotta get paid.

Have I made you a believer of the Crabtree model? I really like the guy, he is an Elite WR prospect. I like him because he was considered great before and after not working out at the combine. He doesn't need to rely on speed to be a great WR because he has great hands and is a solid overall WR much like Bolding, Fitz, and dare I say Heinz.

[Clackwoods]

If we sign Coles, we can finally put away this talk about Crabtree.

And, to some of you who think that we need a Center more than WR, or that we are stacked at WR. Apparantly we are not.

On the contrary if we sign Coles we can ship off Chad and draft Crabtree. Does anyone here argue that he will be the BPA at number 6 if Curry and Smith are off the board?

[Clackwoods]

Coles would be nice and would definitly put up big numbers here. I still believe we have more pressing needs. I think it's really starting to look possible that we trade down and take morony. Best RB avalible and if we could add a few OL in the second and third we could fix alot of problems right there. Who knows though it's the Bengals NO ONE knows what they are thinking I don't even know if they do...lol

What are you talking about....Morony?

[Baraka]

If we sign Coles, we can finally put away this talk about Crabtree.

And, to some of you who think that we need a Center more than WR, or that we are stacked at WR. Apparantly we are not.

On the contrary if we sign Coles we can ship off Chad and draft Crabtree. Does anyone here argue that he will be the BPA at number 6 if Curry and Smith are off the board?

crab's kind of an enigma to me. he's not that tall and he's not that fast. but everyone says he's elite. he played in a pass happy offense. he must run good routes and have pillowy hands. but i'm not sure how valuable those things are if you can't get seperation from the defender with speed or out maneuver him with size.

i understand that ocho has been the bane of many of your existences but i'm not convinced shipping him out is the right move. we have to have at least one wide receiver that carson is familiar with, right?

[Clackwoods]

If we sign Coles, we can finally put away this talk about Crabtree.

And, to some of you who think that we need a Center more than WR, or that we are stacked at WR. Apparantly we are not.

I am not convinced we are set at WR either, but Center and RB is defiantly a bigger need area. The reason being is we don't have any that are worth a s**t. I hope that we draft Crabtree and trade Chad. I want Moreno with a mid-first pick!

Why does everyone keep assuming that if we traded Chad, we'd get a 1st-round pick? I would love to see it happen, but I'm not so sure that it would be an automatic thing after last season.

On a similar note, how nice would it have been to have the Redskins pick this year and next?

Chad played with a QB last year that couldn't throw the ball more than fifteen yards down field. Chad also happened to be injured for the majority of the year. Some GM is going to consider this when they make a trade. Another reason I think this is because look at Moss. He had a couple really bad years in Oakland and everyone thinks he was washed up and he comes back with a good qb and breaks the TD record in a season. GM's will look it and this and chalk Chad's bad year up to circumstance.

With the 13th pick (Aquired from the Redskins, who take it as a discount since they were willing to give up more last year) the Bengals take Knowshown Moreno from Georgia......Who has been compared to LT

I don't understand where people are comparing him to Chris Perry and calling Perry a small back

The guy is 6'0 224 lbs which is pretty big for a RB

[Clackwoods]

If we sign Coles, we can finally put away this talk about Crabtree.

And, to some of you who think that we need a Center more than WR, or that we are stacked at WR. Apparantly we are not.

On the contrary if we sign Coles we can ship off Chad and draft Crabtree. Does anyone here argue that he will be the BPA at number 6 if Curry and Smith are off the board?

crab's kind of an enigma to me. he's not that tall and he's not that fast. but everyone says he's elite. he played in a pass happy offense. he must run good routes and have pillowy hands. but i'm not sure how valuable those things are if you can't get seperation from the defender with speed or out maneuver him with size.

i understand that ocho has been the bane of many of your existences but i'm not convinced shipping him out is the right move. we have to have at least one wide receiver that carson is familiar with, right?

Familiar? They haven't played together in almost two seasons. Chad wasn't around at all last off season and he relied on the little bit that he did play in the preseason to get their timing back. Ship him off.....Just for the record I think Fitz ran a 4.6 and Boldin ran a 4.7

And 6-1 is a good size for a WR, especially considering most corners are under 6 foot

[Baraka]

so you're saying the four straight years of leading the conference in receiving, and one season where carson was hurt and so was chad has erased all familiarity the two ever had, i don't buy it.

and as far as crab, like i said he's an enigma to me, what does he do better than all the other wr's that make him elite? i have yet to make up my mind.

[Clackwoods]

so you're saying the four straight years of leading the conference in receiving, and one season where carson was hurt and so was chad has erased all familiarity the two ever had, i don't buy it.

and as far as crab, like i said he's an enigma to me, what does he do better than all the other wr's that make him elite? i have yet to make up my mind.

I do think the familiarity from a football standpoint is changed. have you ever played WR? It takes time to get back into the flow of things with your QB. Look at Peyton Manning as a perfect PERFECT example to prove my point. He is the best passing QB in the league today and he gets surgery in the offseason. His WR's remain the same as the last couple seasons, but he goes through a huge adjustment period returning from surgery because he didn't have his timing down. Trust me, I had him on my fantasy team. once his timing came back his numbers improved and they were back to their winning ways. It doesn't matter how long you play with someone, you need the timing which has to be reestablished every year.

Also, Chad didn't get 4 straight years with Carson at QB, I am pretty certain without investigation that at least 1 and maybe 2 of those seasons was with a different QB!

[Baraka]

so you're saying the four straight years of leading the conference in receiving, and one season where carson was hurt and so was chad has erased all familiarity the two ever had, i don't buy it.

and as far as crab, like i said he's an enigma to me, what does he do better than all the other wr's that make him elite? i have yet to make up my mind.

I do think the familiarity from a football standpoint is changed. have you ever played WR? It takes time to get back into the flow of things with your QB. Look at Peyton Manning as a perfect PERFECT example to prove my point. He is the best passing QB in the league today and he gets surgery in the offseason. His WR's remain the same as the last couple seasons, but he goes through a huge adjustment period returning from surgery because he didn't have his timing down. Trust me, I had him on my fantasy team. once his timing came back his numbers improved and they were back to their winning ways. It doesn't matter how long you play with someone, you need the timing which has to be reestablished every year.

Also, Chad didn't get 4 straight years with Carson at QB, I am pretty certain without investigation that at least 1 and maybe 2 of those seasons was with a different QB!

you could be right about the years with carson, but we can think back def '04, '05, '06, '07 right? any way yeah i played qb in high school and i know what your saying about timing (we were a predominately running team) but even the option requires a certain degree of timing to execute correctly.

it's important for chad to show up in the offseason and he has said he would, i just don't like the idea of jettisoning the only proven player at the position.

[Clackwoods]

so you're saying the four straight years of leading the conference in receiving, and one season where carson was hurt and so was chad has erased all familiarity the two ever had, i don't buy it.

and as far as crab, like i said he's an enigma to me, what does he do better than all the other wr's that make him elite? i have yet to make up my mind.

I do think the familiarity from a football standpoint is changed. have you ever played WR? It takes time to get back into the flow of things with your QB. Look at Peyton Manning as a perfect PERFECT example to prove my point. He is the best passing QB in the league today and he gets surgery in the offseason. His WR's remain the same as the last couple seasons, but he goes through a huge adjustment period returning from surgery because he didn't have his timing down. Trust me, I had him on my fantasy team. once his timing came back his numbers improved and they were back to their winning ways. It doesn't matter how long you play with someone, you need the timing which has to be reestablished every year.

Also, Chad didn't get 4 straight years with Carson at QB, I am pretty certain without investigation that at least 1 and maybe 2 of those seasons was with a different QB!

you could be right about the years with carson, but we can think back def '04, '05, '06, '07 right? any way yeah i played qb in high school and i know what your saying about timing (we were a predominately running team) but even the option requires a certain degree of timing to execute correctly.

it's important for chad to show up in the offseason and he has said he would, i just don't like the idea of jettisoning the only proven player at the position.

Honestly, I really like Chad and I am going to enjoy taking him in the later rounds of my fantasy drafts and getting over 1200 yards from him this year. i also wouldn't be totally opposed to keeping him. If we sign Coles though, who happens to be a proven WR I am pretty certain we will trade Chad before the draft. If we do trade Chad I really can see us Getting Crabtree to start opposite Coles with Caldwell as the three and Henry and Simpson splitting time as the fourth.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Using the 6th pick on a WR would be a nightmare.

[Baraka]

Using the 6th pick on a WR would be a nightmare.

i agree 100%

[TecmoFever]

If we sign Coles, we can finally put away this talk about Crabtree.

And, to some of you who think that we need a Center more than WR, or that we are stacked at WR. Apparantly we are not.

I am not convinced we are set at WR either, but Center and RB is defiantly a bigger need area. The reason being is we don't have any that are worth a s**t. I hope that we draft Crabtree and trade Chad. I want Moreno with a mid-first pick!

Why does everyone keep assuming that if we traded Chad, we'd get a 1st-round pick? I would love to see it happen, but I'm not so sure that it would be an automatic thing after last season.

On a similar note, how nice would it have been to have the Redskins pick this year and next?

Chad played with a QB last year that couldn't throw the ball more than fifteen yards down field. Chad also happened to be injured for the majority of the year. Some GM is going to consider this when they make a trade. Another reason I think this is because look at Moss. He had a couple really bad years in Oakland and everyone thinks he was washed up and he comes back with a good qb and breaks the TD record in a season. GM's will look it and this and chalk Chad's bad year up to circumstance.

With the 13th pick (Aquired from the Redskins, who take it as a discount since they were willing to give up more last year) the Bengals take Knowshown Moreno from Georgia......Who has been compared to LT

I don't understand where people are comparing him to Chris Perry and calling Perry a small back

The guy is 6'0 224 lbs which is pretty big for a RB

You use Moss as the example, but the Raiders only got a 4th-round pick for him. Yes, he's done well, so does that because of that, Chad is worth a 1st rounder?

I hope we sign Coles just so that I can know that we won't draft a WR with the 6th pick. If we don't go OL in 2 of the first 3 picks, I may just give up hope.

[Clackwoods]

If we sign Coles, we can finally put away this talk about Crabtree.

And, to some of you who think that we need a Center more than WR, or that we are stacked at WR. Apparantly we are not.

I am not convinced we are set at WR either, but Center and RB is defiantly a bigger need area. The reason being is we don't have any that are worth a s**t. I hope that we draft Crabtree and trade Chad. I want Moreno with a mid-first pick!

Why does everyone keep assuming that if we traded Chad, we'd get a 1st-round pick? I would love to see it happen, but I'm not so sure that it would be an automatic thing after last season.

On a similar note, how nice would it have been to have the Redskins pick this year and next?

Chad played with a QB last year that couldn't throw the ball more than fifteen yards down field. Chad also happened to be injured for the majority of the year. Some GM is going to consider this when they make a trade. Another reason I think this is because look at Moss. He had a couple really bad years in Oakland and everyone thinks he was washed up and he comes back with a good qb and breaks the TD record in a season. GM's will look it and this and chalk Chad's bad year up to circumstance.

With the 13th pick (Aquired from the Redskins, who take it as a discount since they were willing to give up more last year) the Bengals take Knowshown Moreno from Georgia......Who has been compared to LT

I don't understand where people are comparing him to Chris Perry and calling Perry a small back

The guy is 6'0 224 lbs which is pretty big for a RB

You use Moss as the example, but the Raiders only got a 4th-round pick for him. Yes, he's done well, so does that because of that, Chad is worth a 1st rounder?

I hope we sign Coles just so that I can know that we won't draft a WR with the 6th pick. If we don't go OL in 2 of the first 3 picks, I may just give up hope.

The Pats took advantage of Al Davis on one of the days when his Alzeimers was kicked in. I am saying that trading WR's after one down year when they produced for many years before that for next to nothing won't happen again, because of the Moss trade. We can still get a first for Chad, if not then we shouldn't trade him!

[HAPPYJAQ]

I don't know why everyone figures that Coles is the answer. He's been given up on 3 times in his career and he turns 32 this season. The Dolphins, Browns and Bills all passed on him since free agency began. Coles was a Bill Parcells guy and The Tuna didn't even offer him, which is surporising considering that the Dolphins receiving corp might be he worst in the league.

The word on the Jets message boards is that Coles is past his prime, has lost considerable speed and is easily replaced by either Chansi Stuckey or Brad Smith. A Coles signing would be akin to us signing Richmond Webb a few years back; a guy who was a good-to-great player during his prime, but comes to Cincinnati with declining skills and a contract that better reflects the player he was 5 years prior to arriving.

As far as signing veteran receivers to big money, we've only done it once in recent history and I think it's safe to say that Michael "Nosebreaker" Westbrook left a lot to be desired here.

Let's get Benson and a FB signed with that 6 million or so it'll cost to sign Coles.