Kazkal Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Brown would be super but us signing top player of a position...ya...not...going....to...happen \sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Also, any good FBs to be had in the draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Also, any good FBs to be had in the draft?Quinn Jackson seems like he would be a solid pickup,Great leadblocker but seems to lack when it comes to running & catching...which would be fine aslong as he knocks the piss out of linebackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 So because mack had few bad practices vs raji in drills more tailored for defenses cancels out his production his entire college career?I wouldn't mind woods but if I had choice getting mack or woods in draft would go with mack.Not often see highlight video on a center but here ya go52 seconds he pulls and creams 3 defenders himself. These are all nice plays on his highlight reel but let's face it, he didn't play against anyone of the caliber of Ngata, Rogers, or Hampton. Minnesota, Stanford, Cal State probably don't have D-linemen who will go to the NFL. I'd want to see him repeatedly driving Moala into the ground or into Maualuga before I got excited. Rember that Cal's running game was based on a speed back. Benson is certainly slower than Cal's guy but stronger. Our new center needs to sustain his blocks if we're to have an interior running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurgan74 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 The Bengals could easily face a very difficult decision if Curry, Rey-Rey, and Oher/Monroe are still on the board at 6. The best case scenario is to obviously trade down, but I will not hold my breath on that. However, if both Curry and Rey-Rey were still on the board, I could see several teams including the Broncos and Redskins calling up Cincy. I can't seem to find the much hyped trade chart. Would a second and third be enough to jump from 11 or 13 to 6?I am going to have to learn how to create an Avatar and Sig pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 As far as the center thing goes - what I don't want to do is get in the position of getting a new college center every three years. It takes a while to learn the position, so it doesn't make sense to be in a situation where you're constantly breaking in a new guy.What's the real story on Guy-chick? Why is he not getting it done? Is he just too weak, is it a matter of reads, or is he not getting enough help from the guards? Most of the games I saw, I was watching on a crappy little TV in a bar or something, so all the interior linemen generally looked like a blob. Makes it hard to tell who's screwing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 I can't seem to find the much hyped trade chart.Here's a link to one and yes, a 2nd and 3rd would be enough to jump from 11-13. Some may say to much...http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Hmm 11th 2nd and 3rd wouldn't be too bad hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Oh, don't get me wrong, I would love a trade down, but we just won't know until draft day. I hate the waiting !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 As far as the center thing goes - what I don't want to do is get in the position of getting a new college center every three years. It takes a while to learn the position, so it doesn't make sense to be in a situation where you're constantly breaking in a new guy.What's the real story on Guy-chick? Why is he not getting it done? Is he just too weak, is it a matter of reads, or is he not getting enough help from the guards? Most of the games I saw, I was watching on a crappy little TV in a bar or something, so all the interior linemen generally looked like a blob. Makes it hard to tell who's screwing up.His problem is two fold....Casey Hampton and Hali Nagota of the nose tackles for Steelers and Ravens. Those guys have man handled him 4 games out of 16. From the press reports, Guycheck hasn't even gotten a mention that the Bengals want him back...they must really think he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 They must really think he sucks.GOOD, so does EVERY Bengal fan that bothered to watch a game this season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 There are alot of 1st round tackles starting in the nfl...but look at the past 5 superbowl winners...SteelersRT:Willie Colon 4th roundLT: Max Starks 3rd roundGiantsLT:David Diehl 5th roundRT:Kareem McKenzie 3rd roundColtsRT:Ryan Diem 4th RoundLT:Tony Ugoh 2nd roundSteelers Max Starks and can't remember who else but wasn't anyone truly special.PatriotsRT:Nick Kaczur:3rd roundLT:Matt Light 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 There are alot of 1st round tackles starting in the nfl...but look at the past 5 superbowl winners...SteelersRT:Willie Colon 4th roundLT: Max Starks 3rd roundGiantsLT:David Diehl 5th roundRT:Kareem McKenzie 3rd roundColtsRT:Ryan Diem 4th RoundLT:Tony Ugoh 2nd roundSteelers Max Starks and can't remember who else but wasn't anyone truly special.PatriotsRT:Nick Kaczur:3rd roundLT:Matt Light 2ndSo what? Wasnt Tom Brady a 7th round pick and shouldnt the Bengals be looking for a starter in round 7?Super Bowl winners draft at the bottom of the draft for each round. They dont reach the SB unless they draft well in rounds 1 to 7 for a coupe years at least. The problem with the Bengals is they don't draft well in any of the rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Another thing about that stat is something many have eluded to here since we started talking about the draft and that is, if we feel we need a RIGHT TACKLE, you wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 The question about Andre Smith is whether his feet are quick enough for him to play left tackle in the NFL. My view is that even if he isn't quick enough, Collins can play the left side and Smith would be a worthy heir to Willie. I'd be fine with taking a right tackle at 6 if you think he's a future pro bowler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 It's hard to justify taking a player that can only play the right side at #6, though. Salary considerations are also a major factor as you are looking at being on the books for 5 years and 40 million (with 21 million guaranteed), which is what last year's #6 pick Vernon Gholston got from the Jets. I still believe that we have our LT of the future already here in Collins and could be looking at Whitworth playing some OT, if Levi doesn't bounce back. Nate Livings' played as well as any Bengal, after replacing Whit and should get some starting consideration. I'd much rather have a player with NFL experience and Bengals playbook knowledge protecting Carson than a rookie, with Carson coming back from a season-ending injury. Let's get a pash rusher who can help force more turnovers to give our team short fields, like the Bengals had throughout 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Who do you see as the pass rusher worthy of #6? Orakpo? Maybin? I wouldn't want either of those guys in the first. I think Whitworth could be a good RT but don't want to see Livings as a starter. We could get Duke Robinson or Phil Loadholt in the second round if we move Whitworth but we also need to find a center. Signing a veteran center in FA would open things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Doesn't maybin only weigh like 230 lbs? he seems light for a OLB in the 3-4.So what? Wasnt Tom Brady a 7th round pick and shouldnt the Bengals be looking for a starter in round 7?Super Bowl winners draft at the bottom of the draft for each round. They dont reach the SB unless they draft well in rounds 1 to 7 for a coupe years at least. The problem with the Bengals is they don't draft well in any of the rounds.Yes we should be or atleast depth that contributes,we did well with TJ & Ndukwe so I'd say 7th hasn't been bad for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 No, the 7th hasn't been bad for us and it will be even better if they can get a Fullback that can find a way to not eat his way out of the league after becoming the highest paid FB in the league... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 I've been hearing more about Maclin going #6 to us. He is expected to run in the low 4.3 range at the Combine and if he does, he might just be the pick. Mike Brown loves big, fast WR's and Maclin returns kicks and punts, too. Crabtree will probably run in the mid to high 4.5-4.6 range and I think that will take him out of the top WR status, similar to Malcolm Kelly last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 I've been hearing more about Maclin going #6 to us. He is expected to run in the low 4.3 range at the Combine and if he does, he might just be the pick. Mike Brown loves big, fast WR's and Maclin returns kicks and punts, too. Crabtree will probably run in the mid to high 4.5-4.6 range and I think that will take him out of the top WR status, similar to Malcolm Kelly last year.Larry Fitzgerald ran a slow combine time and he still got picked at 3 because of his production in college and all his other intangibles. Crabtree will be the first WR taken no doubt. If we take Maclin and leave him on the Board I will officially become a Lions fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Just my opinion, but after hearing what has been said by the organization about Simpson and Caldwell, I'd be VERY suprised if there is much, if any, thought to getting a WR at #6. I'm happy about that as well... Maclin ?? No at #6... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 No, the 7th hasn't been bad for us and it will be even better if they can get a Fullback that can find a way to not eat his way out of the league after becoming the highest paid FB in the league...True enough, but there have been just too few drafts where impact players are picked. Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience. Dead on. Then again, the best way to fix what's broken starts with a vow to select the best players available rather than overdrafting prospects based upon need. Ehhhh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience. Dead on. Then again, the best way to fix what's broken starts with a vow to select the best players available rather than overdrafting prospects based upon need. Ehhhh? What if LT is the best available at 6? I think that will be the case. Who did you have a hard on for? Orakapo? Maualuga? Those two would be over drafted at 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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