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So because mack had few bad practices vs raji in drills more tailored for defenses cancels out his production his entire college career?I wouldn't mind woods but if I had choice getting mack or woods in draft would go with mack.

Not often see highlight video on a center but here ya go

52 seconds he pulls and creams 3 defenders himself.

These are all nice plays on his highlight reel but let's face it, he didn't play against anyone of the caliber of Ngata, Rogers, or Hampton. Minnesota, Stanford, Cal State probably don't have D-linemen who will go to the NFL. I'd want to see him repeatedly driving Moala into the ground or into Maualuga before I got excited. Rember that Cal's running game was based on a speed back. Benson is certainly slower than Cal's guy but stronger. Our new center needs to sustain his blocks if we're to have an interior running game.

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The Bengals could easily face a very difficult decision if Curry, Rey-Rey, and Oher/Monroe are still on the board at 6. The best case scenario is to obviously trade down, but I will not hold my breath on that. However, if both Curry and Rey-Rey were still on the board, I could see several teams including the Broncos and Redskins calling up Cincy. I can't seem to find the much hyped trade chart. Would a second and third be enough to jump from 11 or 13 to 6?

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As far as the center thing goes - what I don't want to do is get in the position of getting a new college center every three years. It takes a while to learn the position, so it doesn't make sense to be in a situation where you're constantly breaking in a new guy.

What's the real story on Guy-chick? Why is he not getting it done? Is he just too weak, is it a matter of reads, or is he not getting enough help from the guards? Most of the games I saw, I was watching on a crappy little TV in a bar or something, so all the interior linemen generally looked like a blob. Makes it hard to tell who's screwing up.

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As far as the center thing goes - what I don't want to do is get in the position of getting a new college center every three years. It takes a while to learn the position, so it doesn't make sense to be in a situation where you're constantly breaking in a new guy.

What's the real story on Guy-chick? Why is he not getting it done? Is he just too weak, is it a matter of reads, or is he not getting enough help from the guards? Most of the games I saw, I was watching on a crappy little TV in a bar or something, so all the interior linemen generally looked like a blob. Makes it hard to tell who's screwing up.

His problem is two fold....Casey Hampton and Hali Nagota of the nose tackles for Steelers and Ravens. Those guys have man handled him 4 games out of 16. From the press reports, Guycheck hasn't even gotten a mention that the Bengals want him back...they must really think he sucks.

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There are alot of 1st round tackles starting in the nfl...but look at the past 5 superbowl winners...

Steelers

RT:Willie Colon 4th round

LT: Max Starks 3rd round

Giants

LT:David Diehl 5th round

RT:Kareem McKenzie 3rd round

Colts

RT:Ryan Diem 4th Round

LT:Tony Ugoh 2nd round

Steelers

Max Starks and can't remember who else but wasn't anyone truly special.

Patriots

RT:Nick Kaczur:3rd round

LT:Matt Light 2nd

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There are alot of 1st round tackles starting in the nfl...but look at the past 5 superbowl winners...

Steelers

RT:Willie Colon 4th round

LT: Max Starks 3rd round

Giants

LT:David Diehl 5th round

RT:Kareem McKenzie 3rd round

Colts

RT:Ryan Diem 4th Round

LT:Tony Ugoh 2nd round

Steelers

Max Starks and can't remember who else but wasn't anyone truly special.

Patriots

RT:Nick Kaczur:3rd round

LT:Matt Light 2nd

So what? Wasnt Tom Brady a 7th round pick and shouldnt the Bengals be looking for a starter in round 7?

Super Bowl winners draft at the bottom of the draft for each round. They dont reach the SB unless they draft well in rounds 1 to 7 for a coupe years at least. The problem with the Bengals is they don't draft well in any of the rounds.

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The question about Andre Smith is whether his feet are quick enough for him to play left tackle in the NFL. My view is that even if he isn't quick enough, Collins can play the left side and Smith would be a worthy heir to Willie. I'd be fine with taking a right tackle at 6 if you think he's a future pro bowler.

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It's hard to justify taking a player that can only play the right side at #6, though. Salary considerations are also a major factor as you are looking at being on the books for 5 years and 40 million (with 21 million guaranteed), which is what last year's #6 pick Vernon Gholston got from the Jets.

I still believe that we have our LT of the future already here in Collins and could be looking at Whitworth playing some OT, if Levi doesn't bounce back. Nate Livings' played as well as any Bengal, after replacing Whit and should get some starting consideration. I'd much rather have a player with NFL experience and Bengals playbook knowledge protecting Carson than a rookie, with Carson coming back from a season-ending injury. Let's get a pash rusher who can help force more turnovers to give our team short fields, like the Bengals had throughout 2005.

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Who do you see as the pass rusher worthy of #6? Orakpo? Maybin? I wouldn't want either of those guys in the first. I think Whitworth could be a good RT but don't want to see Livings as a starter. We could get Duke Robinson or Phil Loadholt in the second round if we move Whitworth but we also need to find a center. Signing a veteran center in FA would open things up.

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Doesn't maybin only weigh like 230 lbs? he seems light for a OLB in the 3-4.

So what? Wasnt Tom Brady a 7th round pick and shouldnt the Bengals be looking for a starter in round 7?

Super Bowl winners draft at the bottom of the draft for each round. They dont reach the SB unless they draft well in rounds 1 to 7 for a coupe years at least. The problem with the Bengals is they don't draft well in any of the rounds.

Yes we should be or atleast depth that contributes,we did well with TJ & Ndukwe so I'd say 7th hasn't been bad for us.

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I've been hearing more about Maclin going #6 to us. He is expected to run in the low 4.3 range at the Combine and if he does, he might just be the pick. Mike Brown loves big, fast WR's and Maclin returns kicks and punts, too. Crabtree will probably run in the mid to high 4.5-4.6 range and I think that will take him out of the top WR status, similar to Malcolm Kelly last year.

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I've been hearing more about Maclin going #6 to us. He is expected to run in the low 4.3 range at the Combine and if he does, he might just be the pick. Mike Brown loves big, fast WR's and Maclin returns kicks and punts, too. Crabtree will probably run in the mid to high 4.5-4.6 range and I think that will take him out of the top WR status, similar to Malcolm Kelly last year.

Larry Fitzgerald ran a slow combine time and he still got picked at 3 because of his production in college and all his other intangibles. Crabtree will be the first WR taken no doubt. If we take Maclin and leave him on the Board I will officially become a Lions fan!

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No, the 7th hasn't been bad for us and it will be even better if they can get a Fullback that can find a way to not eat his way out of the league after becoming the highest paid FB in the league...

True enough, but there have been just too few drafts where impact players are picked. Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience.

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Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience.

Dead on.

Then again, the best way to fix what's broken starts with a vow to select the best players available rather than overdrafting prospects based upon need.

Ehhhh?

;)

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Here's some trivia for you, can you list the Cincy Pro Bowlers since 1990 that made it on defense? There were just 3 and I don't think any were drafted, all FA's. Until MB fixes his draft system, he'll just roll along for another 10 years without playoff experience.

Dead on.

Then again, the best way to fix what's broken starts with a vow to select the best players available rather than overdrafting prospects based upon need.

Ehhhh?

;)

What if LT is the best available at 6? I think that will be the case. Who did you have a hard on for? Orakapo? Maualuga? Those two would be over drafted at 6.

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