walzav29 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I believe he tanked the season. I've never seen it done before, but I've believed he's done it to get traded. He has pouted and moped for 6 months and I think it will work. He will get traded this offseason for nothing compared to last years offer. So what was the lesson? If a guy is miserable get rid of him. By the way I think it's obvious Marvin is kind of doing the same thing. No changes on this staff? He's playing out his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I thought that Chad was exposed in late '06 and that has continued through '08, as the NFL discovered that bracket defenses are enough to stop Chad, due to his reluctance to go across the middle anymore. He makes all of his catches outside of the numbers, so teams put a safety over the top with a LB in the intermediate area and a CB jumping the short passes. His sitting out the last few games was another indicator that he doesn't want to be here. I believe that he pretty much went on record saying that he was "stuck" as a Bengal. I will agree that he has cleverly said all of the right things in the media, making him seem less cancerous. Chad Johnson is no longer a Superstar playing in Cincinnati, as evidenced by his heavily discounted items at the Pro Shop. With a lesser cap hit this year, I believe that Chad could possibly be had for the right price. I hope he goes to the highest bidding NFC East team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 They're competitors Wal, this is NOT true. CJ had a s**t quarterback, he didn't tank it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I think Marv said it best when he said that Chad didn't do what he did in the offseason to get to the level he used to play at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I think it absurd to think he tanked it. What would he stand to gain from that ?? From one standpoint he was told they would consider reworking a deal for him at the end of the year. Why bother with that now with the year he had ?? The best way for him to get off this team was to have another productive season, not what happened. That being said, I can't see him leaving... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I believe he tanked the season. And I'm pretty damn certain I predicted he'd tank the season. Not that we're keeping score, but I can't help thinking I'm due a cookie or a peanut or something along those lines. Moving on..... I don't think Chad will tank another year. Rather, I think he'll sulk and pout and go through the motions. He'll sleepwalk. But whatever you want to call it I'm guessing we won't be taking later about a full-on tank job. Like we are now. And furthermore, I'd say there's less risk of another Chadwickian mental meltdown....unless one of the Bengals games is nationally televised. No kidding, if that happens......(voice trails off) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I believe he tanked the season. And I'm pretty damn certain I predicted he'd tank the season. Not that we're keeping score, but I can't help thinking I'm due a cookie or a peanut or something along those lines.How about a pony?That said, I disagree that Chad tanked the season -- I believe he didn't play well and wasn't thrown the ball very often. I believe he was intentionally marginalized by the offense and that sitting out the last few games was the coaching staff's idea rather than Chad's. I didn't hear any claim that he was injured (beyond the labrum issue which was there all season) unlike TJ. I think they just decided to sit him in the corner as a disciplinary measure. I recall some issue with the coaches when they sent him back to Cincy before one of the later road games (Pitt??). In other words, I believe he was basically a whiney *itc* all season at every opportunity and at first they refused to throw him the ball and then they just benched him when the season was out of hand to get a better look at Caldwell. Who knows, I may be way off base, but I don't think any of it was Chad's idea. If it was, it wouldn't be very smart because he's hurt himself worse than the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combatbengal Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I believe he tanked the season. I've never seen it done before, but I've believed he's done it to get traded. He has pouted and moped for 6 months and I think it will work. He will get traded this offseason for nothing compared to last years offer. So what was the lesson? If a guy is miserable get rid of him. By the way I think it's obvious Marvin is kind of doing the same thing. No changes on this staff? He's playing out his contract.I agree with you on him tankiing the season. His play sucked and he knew it. Did he drop balls on purpose? Only he knows that. Did he screw up the routes? Once again only he knows that. Did he slow up on his routes? You know the deal, only chad can answer that. Will he be traded? No, why, nobody will want him and Mike Brown won't get enough for him.If the Bengals continue with their historical moves, they'll let TJ go; huge mistake. TJ has performed year after year. Weather he's a number one WR or not, he comes to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 How about a pony? I considered asking for one, but in my heart I knew predicting Chad would tank wasn't really that big of a suprise. After all, he's a douchebag and as a result is expected to engage in acts of blatant douchebaggery. Like tanking it up, ehh? Thus, all I asked for was a cyber cookie or maybe a peanut or two. Is it really so much to ask for? That said, you can bet the house I'll be asking for said pony after some team offers a comparable trade package for Mister Bojangles. And for the record, I'm still going to want that pony regardless of whether Bojangles lightly touches down somewhere else. Of course, if I'm proven wrong....(ahem)....I will do the noble thing demanded by tradition. Rest assured, I will eat a bug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Chad used to be "hungry" as they say.Now he is coasting.His performance reflects this.I would love to have Chad Johnson back, but Ocho Cinco is pretty much worthless. Maybe a 3rd rounder. Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I thought that Chad was exposed in late '06 and that has continued through '08, as the NFL discovered that bracket defenses are enough to stop Chad, due to his reluctance to go across the middle anymore. He makes all of his catches outside of the numbers, so teams put a safety over the top with a LB in the intermediate area and a CB jumping the short passes.You Know What Stops That? A FRIGGIN RUNNING GAME....Something we havent had in a couple of years.........Chad Exposed? HA! Our running game was exposed, around the same time you say Chad was. TJ hasnt gotten anything Deep, neither has Henry in a couple of years....Its NOT Chad, its the inability to run the ball, thus allowing the safeties to play deep, rather than come up to stop the run, and the INEPTITUDE of Bratkowski to design anything to combat the cover 2/ Tampa 2 defenses.So go ahead and blame Chad, call him what you want, and never mind the fact that regardless of what he said before, the dude still played all season with an injured shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaldrew Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I thought that Chad was exposed in late '06 and that has continued through '08, as the NFL discovered that bracket defenses are enough to stop Chad, due to his reluctance to go across the middle anymore. He makes all of his catches outside of the numbers, so teams put a safety over the top with a LB in the intermediate area and a CB jumping the short passes.You Know What Stops That? A FRIGGIN RUNNING GAME....Something we havent had in a couple of years.........Chad Exposed? HA! Our running game was exposed, around the same time you say Chad was. TJ hasnt gotten anything Deep, neither has Henry in a couple of years....Its NOT Chad, its the inability to run the ball, thus allowing the safeties to play deep, rather than come up to stop the run, and the INEPTITUDE of Bratkowski to design anything to combat the cover 2/ Tampa 2 defenses.So go ahead and blame Chad, call him what you want, and never mind the fact that regardless of what he said before, the dude still played all season with an injured shoulder.dont forget chad also played the entire season without going over the middle for a ball, when you can bracket the outside on chad knowing he is never going to break inside on a short post route or anything over the middle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I thought that Chad was exposed in late '06 and that has continued through '08, as the NFL discovered that bracket defenses are enough to stop Chad, due to his reluctance to go across the middle anymore. He makes all of his catches outside of the numbers, so teams put a safety over the top with a LB in the intermediate area and a CB jumping the short passes.You Know What Stops That? A FRIGGIN RUNNING GAME....Something we havent had in a couple of years.........Chad Exposed? HA! Our running game was exposed, around the same time you say Chad was. TJ hasnt gotten anything Deep, neither has Henry in a couple of years....Its NOT Chad, its the inability to run the ball, thus allowing the safeties to play deep, rather than come up to stop the run, and the INEPTITUDE of Bratkowski to design anything to combat the cover 2/ Tampa 2 defenses.So go ahead and blame Chad, call him what you want, and never mind the fact that regardless of what he said before, the dude still played all season with an injured shoulder.That lack of a running game didn't stop Fitzgerald and Boldin from racking up record setting numbers this year. And Housh has been incredibly consistent for 5 years running now. Chad... no so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I thought that Chad was exposed in late '06 and that has continued through '08, as the NFL discovered that bracket defenses are enough to stop Chad, due to his reluctance to go across the middle anymore. He makes all of his catches outside of the numbers, so teams put a safety over the top with a LB in the intermediate area and a CB jumping the short passes.You Know What Stops That? A FRIGGIN RUNNING GAME....Something we havent had in a couple of years.........Chad Exposed? HA! Our running game was exposed, around the same time you say Chad was. TJ hasnt gotten anything Deep, neither has Henry in a couple of years....Its NOT Chad, its the inability to run the ball, thus allowing the safeties to play deep, rather than come up to stop the run, and the INEPTITUDE of Bratkowski to design anything to combat the cover 2/ Tampa 2 defenses.So go ahead and blame Chad, call him what you want, and never mind the fact that regardless of what he said before, the dude still played all season with an injured shoulder.The Arizona Cardinals are in the Super Bowl. Other than short yardage with Hightower and a handful of decent games from him, what running game have they had this year? Their top 2 running backs combined for 913 yards rushing during the regular season.Our running back finished 9th in the AFC in yards per game and amassed 747 yards in 10 starts, including 3 games of 100+ yards.It is very interesting that T.J. found a way to have a respectable 90 catch, 900 yard season with a backup QB and a "lack of a running game". I am tired of hearing people giving players a pass because of injury. It's the NFL. ALL players play hurt at some point in the season, as did Chad's counterpart with a bad back and hamstring. Chad struggled against the better teams when he was healthy in '06 and '07, minus a few monster games that made his stats seem spectacular. Fans that have followed the Bengals closely remember and know this amd know that there is a bigger problem with Chad other than some "questionable" playcaling and running the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 You Know What Stops That? A FRIGGIN RUNNING GAME....Good point.Chad stinks at run blocking too. Combine that with a fear of going over the middle, and we have ourselves 2 self-imposed handicaps on the part of Chad.To the detriment of the offense, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 doucho mccinco was frozen out....they showed him by looking elsewhere, calling plays away from him and generally ignoring him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 The offense was dead last in the NFL last year, and is that because 1 man tanked the season as some of you think? This season was doomed from the get go with no pratice with your #1 and 2 WR's during OTA's and training camp, let alone CPalmer not playing after the Dallas game, and RFitzpatrick is no MCassel of the Patriots it took him to the 13th game of the season to have the light turn on in his head...I don.t think CJohnson tanked the season, it was a combo of poor line play, no PB QB taking the snaps, no running game, and the double he gets regardless of who the QB is...he may not have given a 100% every game but to say he tanked the season I don't think so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Why hammer only Chad on lack of effort? Isn't "lack of discipline" a code in the Marvin Lewis code book for "lack of effort"? I think other starters could be accused of dogging it all season long. Marvin accused his team of "lack of discipline" 2 days ago.But back to topic. Chad made his intentions clear starting 1 year ago, remember his Super Bowl outbursts when the camera's were rolling? From then on he make it clear he didn't want to play for the Bengals and guess what? He dressed and took the field but he didn't play. Besides Chad was never much on going beyond being just a deep threat. With a weak armed QB playing, he had the perfect excuse to cover his lack of effort.Looking forward, its clear Chad will perform the same in 2009 for the Cincy Bengals. I know I've been focused on drafting a LT at #6, but WR is a very weak position for the Bengals if TJ is allowed to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 doucho mccinco was frozen out....they showed him by looking elsewhere, calling plays away from him and generally ignoring him.BINGO.I wouldn't be surprised if his drops in 2008 were 1/2 of what they were in 2007. He just didn't get balls thrown his way very much. He was pouting and the team was busy intentionally ignoring him. I can't say as I blame the team, but it doesn't make for a particularly productive offense. There was a marked difference when Caldwell replaced him the last couple of games -- he got way more looks than Chad had been getting. There's plenty of blame to go around for this disfunctional offense of 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 his ego is to big to tank a season!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 This season was doomed from the get go with no pratice with your #1 and 2 WR's during OTA's and training camp, let alone CPalmer not playing after the Dallas game, and RFitzpatrick is no MCassel of the Patriots it took him to the 13th game of the season to have the light turn on in his head...I don.t think CJohnson tanked the season, it was a combo of poor line play, no PB QB taking the snaps, no running game, and the double he gets regardless of who the QB is...he may not have given a 100% every game but to say he tanked the season I don't think so... Yes, that must be it. It was this, and it was that, and it was this thing too. But it wasn't Chad. No, never Chad. Not the guy who spent a month(s) doing everything he could to END his relationship with this team. Not the guy whose every action and spoken word were intended to wound THIS team. No, not THAT guy. In fact, when the bell rang Ocho was the first one to answer, right? Please. It was a tank job. In fact, it was a blatant one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 He was pouting and the team was busy intentionally ignoring him. No, he was tanking and pouting was only part of it. He popped off like a fool for months. He took every short cut available. He pouted like a child at every turn....and reached yet another low by acting out prior to the Bengals only nationaly televised game. But most importantly, he played like crap. Like a guy who doesn't care anymore. Which when you get right down to it is exactly what he was saying to anyone who would listen for all of those months. The team noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 This season was doomed from the get go with no pratice with your #1 and 2 WR's during OTA's and training camp, let alone CPalmer not playing after the Dallas game, and RFitzpatrick is no MCassel of the Patriots it took him to the 13th game of the season to have the light turn on in his head...I don.t think CJohnson tanked the season, it was a combo of poor line play, no PB QB taking the snaps, no running game, and the double he gets regardless of who the QB is...he may not have given a 100% every game but to say he tanked the season I don't think so... Yes, that must be it. It was this, and it was that, and it was this thing too. But it wasn't Chad. No, never Chad. Not the guy who spent a month(s) doing everything he could to END his relationship with this team. Not the guy whose every action and spoken word were intended to wound THIS team. No, not THAT guy. In fact, when the bell rang Ocho was the first one to answer, right? Please. It was a tank job. In fact, it was a blatant one. Ok HOF if he tanks this season as you think, how is that helping him to get off this team?, by showing the other 31 teams that your selfish and think me 1st, we know that he used to pout and get mad when CPalmer wouldn't throw the ball into double teams so do you think he was pissed because RFitzpatrick didn't even try or maybe they were ignoring him...Like I said he may not have given 100% every game, but I don't think tanking a season helps your cause to get traded to another team. I think it lowers your value... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Ok HOF if he tanks this season as you think, how is that helping him to get off this team?, by showing the other 31 teams that your selfish and think me 1st, we know that he used to pout and get mad when CPalmer wouldn't throw the ball into double teams so do you think he was pissed because RFitzpatrick didn't even try or maybe they were ignoring him...Like I said he may not have given 100% every game, but I don't think tanking a season helps your cause to get traded to another team. I think it lowers your value...I also believe he didn't "tank" but not out of any worry that teams would think he's selfish -- that ship has pretty much sailed. Rather, I think he didn't "tank" because the last thing he wanted was to have numbers as terrible as they were. No, I believe he would have played as well as he could strictly in terms of yards and catches in order to enhance his trade value and put more pressure on the team through higher interest from other teams. It would be self-defeating to "tank" intentionally and even a guy as not-smart as Chad can see that. He clearly has hurt his own cause and I tend to think that a large part of that is because the Bengals decided to minimize his touches as a sort of discipline for his mouthing off in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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