gregstephens Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Tonight, 3.2 innings, 5 earned runs, season ERA 6.30. Homer isn't panning out as much as Jay Bruce. What's the kid's problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 He can't throw... He was all over the place. No control last night whatsoever! I'm starting to doubt that he will ever live up to the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 He can't throw... He was all over the place. No control last night whatsoever! I'm starting to doubt that he will ever live up to the hype.He will, but it will be with a different team. Seems to be the track record for Reds pitching prospects. Luckily Volquez came from another teams farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Homer looked like sh*t last night. No speed, no control, no anything for that matter. He just got pounded. The thing I find strange is the fact that Dusty came right out and said that he didn't think Bailey was ready, amd yet here he is pitching for the Reds and doing no d*mn good !!! I just don't get it. I'm more frustrated with the organizations decision making in this matter than I am with a young prospect getting lit up like a Christmas tree...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Homer looked like sh*t last night. No speed, no control, no anything for that matter. He just got pounded. The thing I find strange is the fact that Dusty came right out and said that he didn't think Bailey was ready, amd yet here he is pitching for the Reds and doing no d*mn good !!! I just don't get it. I'm more frustrated with the organizations decision making in this matter than I am with a young prospect getting lit up like a Christmas tree...WHODEY !!!It's not something that happens overnight (for Bailey)... This team isn't going to the playoffs this year, obviously. We have a lot to look forward to though. Bailey is in the category of too good for AAA but not quite ready or good enough for the majors. He was drafted from high school, not college so there is plenty of time for him to learn. Now if he were 24-25, then you would have to be very worried but he's only 21. His draft class is just being selected this year so he is already a couple years ahead of the guys his age... Looking at the big picture, I am really not that worried about Bailey. DON"T send him back down though, let him learn!Cuetto didn't do too good yesterday either. Matter of fact, he was absolutely horrible... We need a better pitching coach. Take Kyle Lohse for example. He was garbage here. Then he goes to St. Louis and does pretty good. Why? What are the Reds teaching these guys, actually what are they NOT teaching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Homer looked like sh*t last night. No speed, no control, no anything for that matter. He just got pounded. The thing I find strange is the fact that Dusty came right out and said that he didn't think Bailey was ready, amd yet here he is pitching for the Reds and doing no d*mn good !!! I just don't get it. I'm more frustrated with the organizations decision making in this matter than I am with a young prospect getting lit up like a Christmas tree...WHODEY !!!It's not something that happens overnight (for Bailey)... This team isn't going to the playoffs this year, obviously. We have a lot to look forward to though. Bailey is in the category of too good for AAA but not quite ready or good enough for the majors. He was drafted from high school, not college so there is plenty of time for him to learn. Now if he were 24-25, then you would have to be very worried but he's only 21. His draft class is just being selected this year so he is already a couple years ahead of the guys his age... Looking at the big picture, I am really not that worried about Bailey. DON"T send him back down though, let him learn!Cuetto didn't do too good yesterday either. Matter of fact, he was absolutely horrible... We need a better pitching coach. Take Kyle Lohse for example. He was garbage here. Then he goes to St. Louis and does pretty good. Why? What are the Reds teaching these guys, actually what are they NOT teaching?I agree with you there is plenty of time to develop Homer, but I disagree on the sending him back down comment. They should not have brought him up yet in the first place. As you said, he has plenty of time to develop. Don't rush him up here because your current starters suck (except King Volquez). He's not ready and the constant shellings and promotions/demotions are just going to mess with his confidence and make the road longer and harder. I'd rather him burn up AAA for one solid season, or even two solid seasons, than to keep setting him up for failure like the Reds have been doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I can't see what Homer is learning by going out there and getting rocked for 3 1/3 innings only to be pulled after putting the Reds in a 5-0 hole... I agree with wanting to see him be better than solid at AAA for a season or two. WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Bringing him up and down isn't helping, his options are going to run out (not sure what Dusty Baker meant by this (options) when asked about Bailey after his last performance)... I think you leave him where he's at for now. His pitch location and control where way off, something wasn't right and he needs readjusted or maybe a bit of time to adjust to major league hitters. He was trying way too hard, I know he's better than that... Guys, he's too good to be playing down there in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Guys, he's too good to be playing down there in the minors.I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, but all signs point to the contrary...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Alright, agreen, Boston roughed up the kid today. You about ready to call it? I say time of death for Homer's latest stint in the bigs is 2:38 p.m., June 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Alright, agreen, Boston roughed up the kid today. You about ready to call it? I say time of death for Homer's latest stint in the bigs is 2:38 p.m., June 15.Why bring him up, then send him back down. Let him play, let him learn. He's 21 or 22. The Reds aren't going to the playoffs this year IMO anyways. Whats to loose. I say give him another 3-5 games then think about sending him back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Alright, agreen, Boston roughed up the kid today. You about ready to call it? I say time of death for Homer's latest stint in the bigs is 2:38 p.m., June 15.Why bring him up, then send him back down. Let him play, let him learn. He's 21 or 22. The Reds aren't going to the playoffs this year IMO anyways. Whats to loose. I say give him another 3-5 games then think about sending him back down.Personally, I think if you let him get pounded 3-5 more times, especially at his young age, you risk permanent damage to his confidence and psyche that he may not be able to recover from down the road. I don't agree with the philosophy that the Reds aren't contenders so let's sacrifice this young kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Alright, agreen, Boston roughed up the kid today. You about ready to call it? I say time of death for Homer's latest stint in the bigs is 2:38 p.m., June 15.Why bring him up, then send him back down. Let him play, let him learn. He's 21 or 22. The Reds aren't going to the playoffs this year IMO anyways. Whats to loose. I say give him another 3-5 games then think about sending him back down.Personally, I think if you let him get pounded 3-5 more times, especially at his young age, you risk permanent damage to his confidence and psyche that he may not be able to recover from down the road. I don't agree with the philosophy that the Reds aren't contenders so let's sacrifice this young kid.Homer's thinking right now that he can do this. He's struggling mentally. If you send him back down with only 3 games, it could have the same adverse effect as you think will happen if we let him get pounded. At least if we let him get pounded, which I don't think will happen again, then he'll know that he needs to go back down and work on his control.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Alright, agreen, Boston roughed up the kid today. You about ready to call it? I say time of death for Homer's latest stint in the bigs is 2:38 p.m., June 15.Why bring him up, then send him back down. Let him play, let him learn. He's 21 or 22. The Reds aren't going to the playoffs this year IMO anyways. Whats to loose. I say give him another 3-5 games then think about sending him back down.Personally, I think if you let him get pounded 3-5 more times, especially at his young age, you risk permanent damage to his confidence and psyche that he may not be able to recover from down the road. I don't agree with the philosophy that the Reds aren't contenders so let's sacrifice this young kid.Homer's thinking right now that he can do this. He's struggling mentally. If you send him back down with only 3 games, it could have the same adverse effect as you think will happen if we let him get pounded. At least if we let him get pounded, which I don't think will happen again, then he'll know that he needs to go back down and work on his control..You don't think it'll happen again? What about his three poundings this season suggests to you the Homer storm is over? Or, perhaps more fairly stated, what about that 2+ inning shelling Sunday showed you there is light at the end of the tunnel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Alright, agreen, Boston roughed up the kid today. You about ready to call it? I say time of death for Homer's latest stint in the bigs is 2:38 p.m., June 15.Why bring him up, then send him back down. Let him play, let him learn. He's 21 or 22. The Reds aren't going to the playoffs this year IMO anyways. Whats to loose. I say give him another 3-5 games then think about sending him back down.Personally, I think if you let him get pounded 3-5 more times, especially at his young age, you risk permanent damage to his confidence and psyche that he may not be able to recover from down the road. I don't agree with the philosophy that the Reds aren't contenders so let's sacrifice this young kid.Homer's thinking right now that he can do this. He's struggling mentally. If you send him back down with only 3 games, it could have the same adverse effect as you think will happen if we let him get pounded. At least if we let him get pounded, which I don't think will happen again, then he'll know that he needs to go back down and work on his control..You don't think it'll happen again? What about his three poundings this season suggests to you the Homer storm is over? Or, perhaps more fairly stated, what about that 2+ inning shelling Sunday showed you there is light at the end of the tunnel?I'm beginning to think Homer would be better as a reliever and give up on the starters position. The games I have seen he usually does OK the first time through a lineup, then they catch up to him and pound out the hits. Maybe he could take over the setup role and Burton could try starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Alright, agreen, Boston roughed up the kid today. You about ready to call it? I say time of death for Homer's latest stint in the bigs is 2:38 p.m., June 15.Why bring him up, then send him back down. Let him play, let him learn. He's 21 or 22. The Reds aren't going to the playoffs this year IMO anyways. Whats to loose. I say give him another 3-5 games then think about sending him back down.Personally, I think if you let him get pounded 3-5 more times, especially at his young age, you risk permanent damage to his confidence and psyche that he may not be able to recover from down the road. I don't agree with the philosophy that the Reds aren't contenders so let's sacrifice this young kid.Homer's thinking right now that he can do this. He's struggling mentally. If you send him back down with only 3 games, it could have the same adverse effect as you think will happen if we let him get pounded. At least if we let him get pounded, which I don't think will happen again, then he'll know that he needs to go back down and work on his control..You don't think it'll happen again? What about his three poundings this season suggests to you the Homer storm is over? Or, perhaps more fairly stated, what about that 2+ inning shelling Sunday showed you there is light at the end of the tunnel?I'm beginning to think Homer would be better as a reliever and give up on the starters position. The games I have seen he usually does OK the first time through a lineup, then they catch up to him and pound out the hits. Maybe he could take over the setup role and Burton could try starting.That's not a bad thought. Reds Nation may get pissed because he's been touted so highly as a future starter, but I'm just not seeing it. I like Burton so far. May be worth a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Ok, lets just look at Homer to this point by his stats...0-3 in 3 starts8.76 ERAHe's given up 16 hits and out of those, 6 have been homerunsHe's given up 15 runs and out of those, 12 have been earnedHe's issued 10 walks, while only striking out 3And the biggest part of this is in only 3 starts, all of this has been given up in a grand total of 12.1 innings pitched.Something has got to give and as I stated earlier, I can't see the benefit in seeing the kid take these types of beatings start after start...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Ok, lets just look at Homer to this point by his stats...0-3 in 3 starts8.76 ERAHe's given up 16 hits and out of those, 6 have been homerunsHe's given up 15 runs and out of those, 12 have been earnedHe's issued 10 walks, while only striking out 3And the biggest part of this is in only 3 starts, all of this has been given up in a grand total of 12.1 innings pitched.Something has got to give and as I stated earlier, I can't see the benefit in seeing the kid take these types of beatings start after start...WHODEY !!!I'm with you...You cant let the kid get beat up like this....He's just not ready yet...I say send back to AAA let him work things out there, get his confidence up and give him a good shot next spring.....No good can come out of a youngster getting roughed up constantly..The Bigs isnt a place to try to work things out,thats what the minors are for. He's just not ready to pitch at this level yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 He may not be ready to pitch at this level, but damn, the kids is too good in the minors. It's not really fair to put him up against the minors, he's that good down there... Give him one more start guys, I think he'll do a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 He may not be ready to pitch at this level, but damn, the kids is too good in the minors. It's not really fair to put him up against the minors, he's that good down there... Give him one more start guys, I think he'll do a lot better.His stats this season in the minors are really not that impressive, he was called up for 1 reason, the Reds need a starter badly and no one has stepped up to take the spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 He may not be ready to pitch at this level, but damn, the kids is too good in the minors. It's not really fair to put him up against the minors, he's that good down there... Give him one more start guys, I think he'll do a lot better.Agreen, I'm the first one to want big things out of Bailey, but it's just not adding up at this time. In regards to what he was doing in the minors, it's not adding up there either... These were his stats for his time in the minors this season prior to being called up.He went 4-4 in 12 starts with a 4.15 ERA.He gave up 33 runs and 32 of those were earned.His strikeout to walk ratio was far better, but when the manager of the team states his concern with a youngster coming up prior to the decision being made, that should count for something. In this case it didn't and it is biting the Reds firmly in the backside !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 He may not be ready to pitch at this level, but damn, the kids is too good in the minors. It's not really fair to put him up against the minors, he's that good down there... Give him one more start guys, I think he'll do a lot better.Agreen, I'm the first one to want big things out of Bailey, but it's just not adding up at this time. In regards to what he was doing in the minors, it's not adding up there either... These were his stats for his time in the minors this season prior to being called up.He went 4-4 in 12 starts with a 4.15 ERA.He gave up 33 runs and 32 of those were earned.His strikeout to walk ratio was far better, but when the manager of the team states his concern with a youngster coming up prior to the decision being made, that should count for something. In this case it didn't and it is biting the Reds firmly in the backside !!!WHODEY !!!Wow...I didn't know Bailey's minors stats this season. agreen, what it God's name made you think he's obviously too good for AAA with numbers like that? I know your penchant of messing up first names ( ), you sure you weren't thinking Beetle Bailey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 He may not be ready to pitch at this level, but damn, the kids is too good in the minors. It's not really fair to put him up against the minors, he's that good down there... Give him one more start guys, I think he'll do a lot better.Agreen, I'm the first one to want big things out of Bailey, but it's just not adding up at this time. In regards to what he was doing in the minors, it's not adding up there either... These were his stats for his time in the minors this season prior to being called up.He went 4-4 in 12 starts with a 4.15 ERA.He gave up 33 runs and 32 of those were earned.His strikeout to walk ratio was far better, but when the manager of the team states his concern with a youngster coming up prior to the decision being made, that should count for something. In this case it didn't and it is biting the Reds firmly in the backside !!!WHODEY !!!Wow...I didn't know Bailey's minors stats this season. agreen, what it God's name made you think he's obviously too good for AAA with numbers like that? I know your penchant of messing up first names ( ), you sure you weren't thinking Beetle Bailey?Thanks for the stats Army... Greg, I was merely going off of what Dusty Baker says about Bailey. I listen to the Reds on Radio. I've heard Dusty say a few times that Bailey is too good for the minors but maybe not quite good enough for the majors... I'm starting to think Dusty is part of our problem this year. You guys are right, Bailey should go back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=AhE...B?gid=280618117Agree or disagree, Bailey was sent back down today. It's at the bottom of the write up...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 And agree or disagree, Homer is going to be called back up again due to Harrang being placed on the DL.Well, here's to hoping he can give up less than 5 runs per 3 innings to start games !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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