bryce40 Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 It's just recently came out that Lions WR Roy Williams is available by trade, though they aren't actively shopping him. So it go me thinking would I trade Chad Johnson for Roy Williams. I decided yes especially if I could get a 3rd or 7th round draft pick thrown in. Even without the pick I decided I would do it. Reason Chad's not happy and I really think with this current Bengals team Roy would fit in great on offense. So what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 It's just recently came out that Lions WR Roy Williams is available by trade, though they aren't actively shopping him. So it go me thinking would I trade Chad Johnson for Roy Williams. I decided yes especially if I could get a 3rd or 7th round draft pick thrown in. Even without the pick I decided I would do it. Reason Chad's not happy and I really think with this current Bengals team Roy would fit in great on offense. So what do you think?If i were the Lions GM, I would take that trade and ask you to propose a few more before the men in the white coats could arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 And while we're at it, why don't we trade carson Palmer and a 1st round pick for Jon Kitna? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 And while we're at it, why don't we trade carson Palmer and a 1st round pick for Jon Kitna?Ok that is just dumb for you to say. First off Roy Williams is a stud and much younger than Chad. Williams is 4 years younger than Chad. Williams stats are a little below Chad's but you have to take into account a few injuries and also the fact he had Jon Kitna at QB and not Carson Palmer. One thing I can say with certainty is that Williams would be much more effective in the red zone than Chad is. Chad always seems to disappear once the Bengals get inside the 10 yard line. Over the first 4 years of Roy Williams career in Detroit he has had 244 rec. 3650 yards and 28 tdsOver the first 4 years of Chad's career in Cincy he had 282 rec. 4124 yards and 26 tdsAnd before anyone comes out with the Chad is more of a deep threat defense, both Chad and Roy have identical 15.0 ypc average.That is not that big of a difference considering the QB's that Roy has had in Detroit. With Chad's recent attitude problems, and the fact that Roy is so much younger than Chad, I would do this trade. Honestly I think it would be the lions that would not do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Over the first 4 years of Roy Williams career in Detroit he has had 244 rec. 3650 yards and 28 tdsOver the first 4 years of Chad's career in Cincy he had 282 rec. 4124 yards and 26 tdsAnd what about Chad's other 3 years ?Or how about comparing the same years (2004-2007) for each of them ?Or any 4 years for Chad other than his rookie season when he had all of 329 yards ?Or how about dropping the rookie year for both of them and then comparing the next 3 years ?That is not that big of a difference considering the QB's that Roy has had in Detroit.Yea it is ...The last I checked Detroit had perhaps the most pass-happy offense in the league.But forget that ...If you don't know that, there has been a big difference between Chad Johnson's game and Roy Williams' game , then all I can say is that you must not have been watching.Honestly I think it would be the lions that would not do it.You have got to be joking ...There has been some talk that Detroit might just flat out cut Roy Williams and his salary, but you think that they would be unwilling to take Chad for him ?Yea right ... #85 Chad Johnson: Receiving Stats YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST 2001 CIN 12 28 329 11.8 28 1 22 0 0 2002 CIN 16 69 1166 16.9 72 5 58 0 0 2003 CIN 16 90 1355 15.1 82 10 66 0 0 2004 CIN 16 95 1274 13.4 53 9 63 1 0 2005 CIN 16 97 1432 14.8 70 9 74 1 0 2006 CIN 16 87 1369 15.7 74 7 66 1 1 2007 CIN 16 93 1440 15.5 70 8 74 2 1 Career 108 559 8365 15.0 82 49 423 5 #11 Roy Williams: Receiving Stats YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST 2004 DET 14 54 817 15.1 46 8 34 1 1 2005 DET 13 45 687 15.3 51 8 31 0 0 2006 DET 16 82 1310 16.0 60 7 66 2 2 2007 DET 12 63 836 13.3 91 5 34 2 1 Career 55 244 3650 15.0 91 28 165 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Yeah, whilst I'm not saying RW>Chad, the difference between the two really isn't all that great, IMO. They are both very good recievers, Chad having done it for longer.Lest we forget, Chad had to contend with Kitna for the first three years of his career. RW had Joey Harrington and then Kitna to deal with. It's remarkable either was able to settle down and start producing so quickly under those circumstances.They are both complete bitches when it comes to doing anything, including pushing small children and old women into the way of would be tacklers if given the chance, to avoid a hit. They also talk non stop whilst having very little to say.Having said all that, I wouldn't trade, even given the age difference. Certainly have to throw in a couple of draft picks at the very least. Even then....meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Over the first 4 years of Roy Williams career in Detroit he has had 244 rec. 3650 yards and 28 tdsOver the first 4 years of Chad's career in Cincy he had 282 rec. 4124 yards and 26 tdsAnd what about Chad's other 3 years ?Or how about comparing the same years (2004-2007) for each of them ?Or any 4 years for Chad other than his rookie season when he had all of 329 yards ?Or how about dropping the rookie year for both of them and then comparing the next 3 years ?That is not that big of a difference considering the QB's that Roy has had in Detroit.Yea it is ...The last I checked Detroit had perhaps the most pass-happy offense in the league.But forget that ...If you don't know that, there has been a big difference between Chad Johnson's game and Roy Williams' game , then all I can say is that you must not have been watching.Honestly I think it would be the lions that would not do it.You have got to be joking ...There has been some talk that Detroit might just flat out cut Roy Williams and his salary, but you think that they would be unwilling to take Chad for him ?Yea right ... #85 Chad Johnson: Receiving Stats YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST 2001 CIN 12 28 329 11.8 28 1 22 0 0 2002 CIN 16 69 1166 16.9 72 5 58 0 0 2003 CIN 16 90 1355 15.1 82 10 66 0 0 2004 CIN 16 95 1274 13.4 53 9 63 1 0 2005 CIN 16 97 1432 14.8 70 9 74 1 0 2006 CIN 16 87 1369 15.7 74 7 66 1 1 2007 CIN 16 93 1440 15.5 70 8 74 2 1 Career 108 559 8365 15.0 82 49 423 5 #11 Roy Williams: Receiving Stats YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST 2004 DET 14 54 817 15.1 46 8 34 1 1 2005 DET 13 45 687 15.3 51 8 31 0 0 2006 DET 16 82 1310 16.0 60 7 66 2 2 2007 DET 12 63 836 13.3 91 5 34 2 1 Career 55 244 3650 15.0 91 28 165 5 4So you are saying the Bengals aren't a pass happy offense? Get real! and the reason it is fair to compare the first 4 years of Chad's career is because it is being compared to Roy Williams first 4 years of his career. Why would it be fair to compare Chad's best 4 years of his career to the only 4 years of Roy Williams career? That makes no sense. The Lions aren't going to cut Roy Williams, but they certainly wouldn't trade him straight up for a high priced 30 year old replacement. Sounds good and all in a fantasy football league but in the real world that would just be plain dumb. The real reason this trade would never happen, Kitna is still in Detroit and he was the person who leaked the Half-Time blow up between Chad and Hue Jackson.If you want to include stats over Chad's entire career, he is averaging 7 TDs per year and 15 ypc...Roy Williams averages over 4 years? 7 TD's per year and 15 ypc...hmmmm and that is with Roy Williams just now reaching the prime years of his career and Chad reaching the end of the prime years in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 A little follow-up note from draftdaddy.com:Last night we posted that our main source in Indy was reporting the Detroit Lions are shopping star wide receiver Roy Williams in hopes of getting a 2nd round pick in return -- either in the upcoming draft or next years draft.This has created a buzz on many fan sites and has caused many to ask us why Detriot would even consider trading such a young and talented wide receiver for "only" a second round pick?Here's the response from our source, when we asked the same question: Williams demands for a contract extenstion are pretty steep, which will knock down the Lions asking price in trades. He is reportedly looking for 8 to 10 million dollars a year, with a 28 million dollar signing bonus.So...Roy wants, say, 7 years, $56-70 million w/ $28 million in guaranteed coin.No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 A little follow-up note from draftdaddy.com:Last night we posted that our main source in Indy was reporting the Detroit Lions are shopping star wide receiver Roy Williams in hopes of getting a 2nd round pick in return -- either in the upcoming draft or next years draft.This has created a buzz on many fan sites and has caused many to ask us why Detriot would even consider trading such a young and talented wide receiver for "only" a second round pick?Here's the response from our source, when we asked the same question: Williams demands for a contract extenstion are pretty steep, which will knock down the Lions asking price in trades. He is reportedly looking for 8 to 10 million dollars a year, with a 28 million dollar signing bonus.So...Roy wants, say, 7 years, $56-70 million w/ $28 million in guaranteed coin.No thanks. Who does he think he is, Alex Smith? hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 So you are saying the Bengals aren't a pass happy offense? Get real!Not so much ...In the one outstanding year that Roy Williams has had so far (2006), Detroit threw the ball about 600 times while only running about 300 rushing plays.the reason it is fair to compare the first 4 years of Chad's career is because it is being compared to Roy Williams first 4 years of his career.Chad wasn't used very much in his first year so naturally he had very little production in that year.You can't see that by using Chad's nothing-burger-rookie-year in your comparison you might just be skewing the resultes by even a tiny little bit ?Would you use Carson's first year stats in a comparison of quarterbacks to ?Why would it be fair to compare Chad's best 4 years of his career to the only 4 years of Roy Williams career?That makes no sense.Chad's best years ?Chad has been outstanding EVERY year except for his rookie year.The point is, use ANY of his years except for the ONE year when he hardly played anyway and see how he compares.If you want to include stats over Chad's entire career, he is averaging 7 TDs per year and 15 ypc...Roy Williams averages over 4 years? 7 TD's per year and 15 ypc...hmmmmAnd how many receptions are they averaging ?How many receiving yards ?How many first downs ?Roy Williams just now reaching the prime years of his career and Chad reaching the end of the prime years in his career.Well yea it is certainly true that Chad has a few years on Roy, but then again some of the other top NFL receivers have been very productive well into their thirties.And while Roy is now a full season removed from his one truly outstanding season Chad is still putting up elite numbers year after year.I know that a lot of people may be fed-up with Chad and all of that.But the fact of the matter is ...If you add up what Chad has done over the last six years in a row he is at least a top five receiver and in reality he is most likely in the top three for that streach of time.On the other hand, although Roy Williams has been a good receiver, I am not sure that he is even in the top ten for the years that he has played so far.I'll say it again, up to this point in their careers there is no comparison between Chad Johnson's Game and Roy Williams' Game.IMO, it is not even close ...Plus he wants to get paid even more than Chad is making to boot ?Give me a break ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Chad > Roy... With that being said, if Chad does leave (I don't think he will) Roy would be a super nice replacement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryce40 Posted February 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 I've got to agree with those who've said there really isn't that great of a difference between Chad and Roy. While I'm a huge Cincy fan and Chad fan, with his current attitude I would trade him for Roy especially if we could get a pick thrown in. While Roy has been known to complain when things aren't going well, do you really think he would when he looks around and sees Carson at QB, T.J., and Chris at the other WR spots?By the way. No I wouldn't do this trade if Chad had the right attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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