ntpou Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 I may not agree with the Perry pick but it was a safe pick. As for the rest of the draft I think 7 players are going to make the team from this draft. We now have players who want to play football for the right reasons. We have more depth than ever before. the only place we are lacking is center . :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincykent Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 I still think we would have been better served to trade down again. Tennessee had the very next pick and they got a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 5th round pick by trading down. We may have missed out on Perry by doing that but we would have been able to move around with all the extra picks. We might have been able to get Ratliff and Williams plus get Grove or Odom, and still get a top RB in the 2nd round. But in todays NFL you can fill holes outside of the draft, so I understand them reaching for guys they know can come in and play now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-U-D-I Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Let's face it, the pre-Marvin Bengals were not very adept at trading and moving around in the draft. It's always been let's take the guy that everything thinks has the most potential. Marvin said 'to hell with potential' and drafted people who have proven they can play ball. (OK, maybe not that tackle Andrews, but John Clayton said he thought that guy could be the gem of the draft and turn into a real stud). I'd rather have this draft any day, vs one that begins with Big Daddy or Akili Smith... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Boy Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Imagine 1999 and Mike Brown has hired the gun slinger, Jim Bowden, away from the Reds. He would have parlayed that #3 pick into a busload of 5 tool outfielders. We'd now have Adam Dunn at QB and Mike Brown would be wearing leather pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeton Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Depth, eh? Levi Jones, Eric Steinbach, Rich Braham and Willie Anderson had better stay healthy-- they can't be replaced on this team. If Jones is out for any length of time, is Steinbach the LT backup?I'd also trade nearly all of that quantity at CB and S for a couple of quality players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BENGALTHEM Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 I may not agree with the Perry pick but it was a safe pick. As for the rest of the draft I think 7 players are going to make the team from this draft. We now have players who want to play football for the right reasons. We have more depth than ever before. the only place we are lacking is center . :player: Moore, who turns 29 in June, started at center for the Redskins the past two years before he hurt his foot this past season. He also had 48 starts for the Colts from 1998-2001. The 6-2, 302-pound Moore, who began his career as an undrafted free agent out of Brigham Young in 1997, has also played guard and Lewis knows him from that 2002 season in Washington. Moore, known as a solid, intelligent player, had just come over from Indy as a free agent that season. Agent Jack Bechta, who also represents another Bengals offensive lineman in Eric Steinbach, said there is interest in both sides and some other teams are also talking to him. The Bengals didn’t draft an interior lineman last weekend, and are apparently considering some experience behind center Rich Braham.Possible depth at Center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntpou Posted April 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 I just saw that article about that center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 I still think we would have been better served to trade down again. Tennessee had the very next pick and they got a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 5th round pick by trading down. We may have missed out on Perry by doing that but we would have been able to move around with all the extra picks. We might have been able to get Ratliff and Williams plus get Grove or Odom, and still get a top RB in the 2nd round. But in todays NFL you can fill holes outside of the draft, so I understand them reaching for guys they know can come in and play now. Yeah, but they (Titans) traded down because Perry was gone....so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Imagine 1999 and Mike Brown has hired the gun slinger, Jim Bowden, away from the Reds. He would have parlayed that #3 pick into a busload of 5 tool outfielders. We'd now have Adam Dunn at QB and Mike Brown would be wearing leather pants. WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 I still think we lack quality tight end play; too many hands for the same situations giving defenses tendencies they key off of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 I still think we lack quality tight end play; too many hands for the same situations giving defenses tendencies they key off of. No doubt, could you imagine having a TE that could produce an all around game, not just one aspect here, one aspect there ?? Talk about giving Carson another weapon, we would be stacked !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Well considering Rudi's and Chris Perrys' running style, maybe we lose the fullback a little more this year, and play more 2 tight end sets..Hard not to control the line when 7 men are already pushing for the same spot. Anyone who's played on the line ( right kirk ) knows how good you look blocking in that formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals44 Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Depth, eh? Levi Jones, Eric Steinbach, Rich Braham and Willie Anderson had better stay healthy-- they can't be replaced on this team. If Jones is out for any length of time, is Steinbach the LT backup? I agree here, we most definitely need more depth on the OL and if one of the OT's get hurt I believe you are correct in the assumption that Steinbach would move there... I cant see Kooistra being ready yet (if he was close at all, he should have played last year when we had the Scott Rehberg debacle going on when Levi got hurt) - Rehberg killed us... This creates other problems, however (Steinbach moving to OT)... Eric is our best and most athletic OG, he is incredible as a "pulling-guard" and pancakes defenders on quick hitting run plays... So we would not only have him put of position, but suffer athletically on the interior, seriously limiting our options... We really need a dependable back-up OT (as do so many other teams), so we can keep Eric where we need him. Maybe Kooistra has made serious strides since last year, but please do not consider Andrews as an option right now... We just signed Moore and that is absolutely huge for both the C and G positions, yet we stare at Leyva (unproven and injured last year) or Szalay as our fourth option at C/G - I'm not real comfortable w/ that , we need a solid fourth "middle man" in case of injuries... In the end, we can w/ stand an injury at C or G, but an OT injury would really cripple our options...Remember that many cuts will occur when we get closer to the regular season and I seriously hope w/ pick up a veteran OT to help fortify our line... Now as far as the TE position, it would be absolutely fantastic to get one TE that can do it all... It is certainly true that teams would expect us to pass when Schlobel is on the field and run when Kelly is in... I think Stewart is the only one who actually can put some doubt in a defenders mind; he had some pretty good moments last year... At the same time Tony is not dynamic in any means... I firmly believe, we will address the TE position next year - whether that is via free-agency (most likely too costly) or using a first or second round pick there... You simply cannot get an impact TE outside of the second round, unless you just have lady luck on your side... We will add OL depth next year as well...When you seriously think about our depth now, you have to feel so much better than 2 years ago... We need OL depth, a dynamic-type TE and a "real DE" to opposite Justin Smith... Outside of that, damn, pretty frickin' nice... You can only fill so many spots at once...Please tell me Marvin has not worked wonders and PLEASE tell me why if you feel so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 And the biggest wonder of all is that it no longer feels like it will take a mircale to get to the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 And the biggest wonder of all is that it no longer feels like it will take a mircale to get to the playoffs.I say it will be a miracle if we DON'T!! I'm not talking wild card here...I feel division champs, and at least the making the AFC Championship game. :player: Yeah, yeah...make all the snide remarks you want, I just feel Coach Lewis has the problems of the past well in hand, and the Bengals will be (to quote George and Weezey) "Movin' On Up!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntpou Posted April 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Everyone would like a backup OT to come in and the offense not miss a beat. We have good depth but if Willie goes thats going to hurt anyone. We can't have it all but we do got most of it in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Hard not to control the line when 7 men are already pushing for the same spot. Anyone who's played on the line ( right kirk ) knows how good you look blocking in that formation.Makes me wonder if the offensive scheme will change. Previously, Carson has a great downfield arm so it would make sense for one back, three wide out set to get the ball downfield. Then we pick up Perry, which dictates a two back combination scheme, taking Palmer's deep pass out of the equation for some plays.This would create too many tendencies. I really think we should either go with either Rudi or Perry as the full time, 20-25 carries a game, running back. It didn't work with both Rudi and Dillion, why should it work this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeton Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 We just signed Moore and that is absolutely huge for both the C and G positions I've seen Moore play-- ugh. There's still a serious problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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