HoTbOy Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I don't know if MLewis should be fired at the end of this season, but the love affair is clearly over...Maybe he shouldn't be fired because of the condition of the team, but some of the decisions he make during gametime and the hiring of his coaches does raise an eyebrow...If he is not willing to make changes to what is becoming a lost season, then maybe he should be fired because these coaches had 4 years with these players and we still get the same result on gameday...Why can't they generate a freakin pass rush...or make a tackle...I know that I for 1 am tired of WE CAN FIX IT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinneymulleT Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Can you really blame a coach when they are playing 5 dlineman and 2 safety's at linebacker? This frustration is felt by the entire team and leads to them pressing and mistakes result. Cant fire marvin this year, maybe next if we have another 6-10 year(last 16 games).The team should never be put in that position. They should have put Jeanty on the IR at the beginning of the year and not wasted a roster spot that could be used for a healthy LB. They should have Hartwell resigned right now or had Everett brought up from the practice squad. Poor, poor, poor roster management.In all fairness, you have no idea what was discussed between jeanty, the med staff and ML. They may have told him it would only be a couple of games. And I didnt hear you screaming for this to be done, so even your hindsight is not as clear as you pretend. And bringing everett up would have done nothing other than put a warm body out there if he is not ready to play. And ed was hurt and still is or he would be with another team and I dont believe he is (but your right, him at 80% is better than ndukewe at 100%). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Can you really blame a coach when they are playing 5 dlineman and 2 safety's at linebacker? This frustration is felt by the entire team and leads to them pressing and mistakes result. Cant fire marvin this year, maybe next if we have another 6-10 year(last 16 games).The team should never be put in that position. They should have put Jeanty on the IR at the beginning of the year and not wasted a roster spot that could be used for a healthy LB. They should have Hartwell resigned right now or had Everett brought up from the practice squad. Poor, poor, poor roster management.In all fairness, you have no idea what was discussed between jeanty, the med staff and ML. They may have told him it would only be a couple of games. And I didnt hear you screaming for this to be done, so even your hindsight is not as clear as you pretend. And bringing everett up would have done nothing other than put a warm body out there if he is not ready to play. And ed was hurt and still is or he would be with another team and I dont believe he is (but your right, him at 80% is better than ndukewe at 100%).Your right I didn't bring this up before, but then again I guess that is why I am not an NFL executive or coach in the NFL. But those are things that NFL personnel need to think about and do to be successful, and right now the Bengals are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1 Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 The Lewis-has-lost-control-of-the-team thesis has some merit at this point. They are not responding well to adversity, on any level.Then again, have they ever under Lewis? That appears to be a major flaw of his.I would ask if they ever have?Seriously, I've been a Bengal fan since the mid-'70s and this team has always been a mess psychologically. There are jokes going back to the Homer Rice days that what the Bengals needed was a psychiatrists couch on the sidelines, not a bench.Front office people come and go, coaches come and go, players come and go but the Bengals remain head cases year in and year out. Sure, other teams like Dallas and Sh*tsburgh have bad seasons now and then too. But that’s usually due to injuries to key players and once those guys are healthy again they straighten out their ship and sail on with only that bump in the road to show for it.We flounder around at the bottom of the division year in and year out only to rise occasionally and offer the fans false hope that “this time it’ll be different!” Then we sink back once again into name calling and finger pointing and a woe is us philosophy. As depressing as it seems, I really don’t think this pattern is going to change until SoP passes into that great big locker room in the sky folks. Until and unless, someone different with a whole new approach and philosophy runs this organization and team, it’s simply going to be more of the same.So get out your crying towels and start your finger pointing, there’s still plenty of dreams left to squander people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Let's not start jumping off of bridges here people...we played arguably the best team in the league without our starting rb and with only 2 healthy lb's. It shouldn't be much of a surprise that we lost the game, honestly. The lack of execution was the most troubling part, but we are playing with backups and waiver wire guys. There are still 12 games left and the we have the bye week to get right, I believe they can get the job done. It's called growing pains, after the bye when guys heal up we'll see were we are vs. Pitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Let's not start jumping off of bridges here people...we played arguably the best team in the league without our starting rb and with only 2 healthy lb's. It shouldn't be much of a surprise that we lost the game, honestly. The lack of execution was the most troubling part, but we are playing with backups and waiver wire guys. There are still 12 games left and the we have the bye week to get right, I believe they can get the job done. It's called growing pains, after the bye when guys heal up we'll see were we are vs. Pitt.Agree with you - we are at a low point right now - big time - but I don't think chopping off the head is the answer.Something I heard brought up a couple of days ago that has a lot of truth to it is - so you fire Marvin...who the hell do you replace him with? If that's what your plan is you better darn well have someone in mind that's as high caliber as ML! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 If Marvin doesnt reach the playoffs. He is gone. With this much talent we shouldnt be mediocre. He has failed us with this so called excuse for a defense he puts on the feild. It all starts at the top, and he has clearly lost control of the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 2 things...1) ML has the same or better winning percentage as Gregg and Wyche - those guys had a couple of bad years too. SO I'm really not convinced that he's a terrible coach - a la LeBeau, Coslet, Shula - and needs to be shown the door. We have injuries and ML took a calculated risk on some questionable character guys - I think he knows it and I'm sure he learned his lesson. That being said...who's going to replace him? If anything it's assistant coaches that need to be looked into.2) Do we really have that much talent? Everyone keeps throwing that around but I'm really not convinced. Defense - where's the talent? Honestly. Offense - Carson, Housh, and Chad I don't think anyone would argue. Rudi is good but I wouldn't call him elite. So there's three top tier players by my count that aren't injured (knock on wood) or suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 2 things...1) ML has the same or better winning percentage as Gregg and Wyche - those guys had a couple of bad years too. SO I'm really not convinced that he's a terrible coach - a la LeBeau, Coslet, Shula - and needs to be shown the door. We have injuries and ML took a calculated risk on some questionable character guys - I think he knows it and I'm sure he learned his lesson. That being said...who's going to replace him? If anything it's assistant coaches that need to be looked into.2) Do we really have that much talent? Everyone keeps throwing that around but I'm really not convinced. Defense - where's the talent? Honestly. Offense - Carson, Housh, and Chad I don't think anyone would argue. Rudi is good but I wouldn't call him elite. So there's three top tier players by my count that aren't injured (knock on wood) or suspended.Gregg and Wyche took the Bengals to a Super Bowl each...Marvin hasn't even won a playoff game and only made the playoffs once...not even in the same league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 2 things...1) ML has the same or better winning percentage as Gregg and Wyche - those guys had a couple of bad years too. SO I'm really not convinced that he's a terrible coach - a la LeBeau, Coslet, Shula - and needs to be shown the door. We have injuries and ML took a calculated risk on some questionable character guys - I think he knows it and I'm sure he learned his lesson. That being said...who's going to replace him? If anything it's assistant coaches that need to be looked into.2) Do we really have that much talent? Everyone keeps throwing that around but I'm really not convinced. Defense - where's the talent? Honestly. Offense - Carson, Housh, and Chad I don't think anyone would argue. Rudi is good but I wouldn't call him elite. So there's three top tier players by my count that aren't injured (knock on wood) or suspended.Gregg and Wyche took the Bengals to a Super Bowl each...Marvin hasn't even won a playoff game and only made the playoffs once...not even in the same leagueDefinitely in the same league.Wyche coached the Bengals for 5 years before he took them to the Superbowl and the year before they went he won 4 games in the entire season - 4 games. If my memory serves me Gregg only coached for 4 years but in those 4 years he only had one winning season and that was when we went to the superbowl and lost to %@#&*$@$(! Montana and the $#&^#@$^% 49ers (and I'll always hate the 49ers and Montana for that).Look - I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time but he's at least on par with Gregg and Wyche in terms of record. One could even argue that he's better b/c he hasn't had a losing season yet...yet.My patience is wearing thin too - just something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 2 things...1) ML has the same or better winning percentage as Gregg and Wyche - those guys had a couple of bad years too. SO I'm really not convinced that he's a terrible coach - a la LeBeau, Coslet, Shula - and needs to be shown the door. We have injuries and ML took a calculated risk on some questionable character guys - I think he knows it and I'm sure he learned his lesson. That being said...who's going to replace him? If anything it's assistant coaches that need to be looked into.2) Do we really have that much talent? Everyone keeps throwing that around but I'm really not convinced. Defense - where's the talent? Honestly. Offense - Carson, Housh, and Chad I don't think anyone would argue. Rudi is good but I wouldn't call him elite. So there's three top tier players by my count that aren't injured (knock on wood) or suspended.Gregg and Wyche took the Bengals to a Super Bowl each...Marvin hasn't even won a playoff game and only made the playoffs once...not even in the same leagueDefinitely in the same league.Wyche coached the Bengals for 5 years before he took them to the Superbowl and the year before they went he won 4 games in the entire season - 4 games. If my memory serves me Gregg only coached for 4 years but in those 4 years he only had one winning season and that was when we went to the superbowl and lost to %@#&*$@$(! Montana and the $#&^#@$^% 49ers (and I'll always hate the 49ers and Montana for that).Look - I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time but he's at least on par with Gregg and Wyche in terms of record. One could even argue that he's better b/c he hasn't had a losing season yet...yet.My patience is wearing thin too - just something to think about.Wyche took the Bengals to the Super Bowl once and the playoffs twice. He also had one year that was disrupted by a strike. Forest Gregg had a 32-25 record with the Bengals and one of which was the 1982 strike shortened season in which many players said that they had a better team than the 1981 team that went to the Super Bowl. Gregg took the Bengals to 2 playoff appearances including one Super Bowl. When Marvin WINS a playoff game then he can be on the same level as Wyche and Gregg, until then he doesn't match up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I'll argue that the two most important comments made by anyone associated with the Bengals are John Thornton's remarks about players emotionally hitting rock bottom whenever faced with any form of adversity....coupled with Willie Anderson's remarks questioning the players level of maturity and tendency to play like children. As for TJ's comment about Lewis naming who the selfish players are, yeah....do it. But don't do it in the newspaper, do it in the locker room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 2 things...1) ML has the same or better winning percentage as Gregg and Wyche - those guys had a couple of bad years too. SO I'm really not convinced that he's a terrible coach - a la LeBeau, Coslet, Shula - and needs to be shown the door. We have injuries and ML took a calculated risk on some questionable character guys - I think he knows it and I'm sure he learned his lesson. That being said...who's going to replace him? If anything it's assistant coaches that need to be looked into.2) Do we really have that much talent? Everyone keeps throwing that around but I'm really not convinced. Defense - where's the talent? Honestly. Offense - Carson, Housh, and Chad I don't think anyone would argue. Rudi is good but I wouldn't call him elite. So there's three top tier players by my count that aren't injured (knock on wood) or suspended.Gregg and Wyche took the Bengals to a Super Bowl each...Marvin hasn't even won a playoff game and only made the playoffs once...not even in the same leagueDefinitely in the same league.Wyche coached the Bengals for 5 years before he took them to the Superbowl and the year before they went he won 4 games in the entire season - 4 games. If my memory serves me Gregg only coached for 4 years but in those 4 years he only had one winning season and that was when we went to the superbowl and lost to %@#&*$@$(! Montana and the $#&^#@$^% 49ers (and I'll always hate the 49ers and Montana for that).Look - I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time but he's at least on par with Gregg and Wyche in terms of record. One could even argue that he's better b/c he hasn't had a losing season yet...yet.My patience is wearing thin too - just something to think about.Wyche took the Bengals to the Super Bowl once and the playoffs twice. He also had one year that was disrupted by a strike. Forest Gregg had a 32-25 record with the Bengals and one of which was the 1982 strike shortened season in which many players said that they had a better team than the 1981 team that went to the Super Bowl. Gregg took the Bengals to 2 playoff appearances including one Super Bowl. When Marvin WINS a playoff game then he can be on the same level as Wyche and Gregg, until then he doesn't match up.I think it was Gregg that had the strike disruption - not Wyche. It took Wyche 5 years to get us to the superbowl and up until that time he had a worse record (including one terrible year) than ML does now and NO playoffs.Look - ML definitely still needs to prove himself - I'm just saying that you don't want to make snap judgements based on two mediocre years because the best coaches have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 If Marvin doesnt reach the playoffs. He is gone. With this much talent we shouldnt be mediocre. He has failed us with this so called excuse for a defense he puts on the feild. It all starts at the top, and he has clearly lost control of the teamSo much talent, so much talent... I get sick of hearing that, if we have soo much talent why don't they play like it. If Carson is soo talented why can't he escape a rush once in a while and force throws in coverage so much. If CJ is so damn talented why does he drop catchable ball every game, our talent is overrated and they haven't proven that they can win. Every team has talent, you don't make it into the NFL without talent, there are plenty of teams in similar situations with talent, but if the talent doesn't perform are they really that talented?You need to fire yourself as a fan of the team, don't you realize we only had 2 healthy linebackers, just 2. How can you expect to win a game with only 2 lb's?Please explain how he has clearly lost control of the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 2 things...1) ML has the same or better winning percentage as Gregg and Wyche - those guys had a couple of bad years too. SO I'm really not convinced that he's a terrible coach - a la LeBeau, Coslet, Shula - and needs to be shown the door. We have injuries and ML took a calculated risk on some questionable character guys - I think he knows it and I'm sure he learned his lesson. That being said...who's going to replace him? If anything it's assistant coaches that need to be looked into.2) Do we really have that much talent? Everyone keeps throwing that around but I'm really not convinced. Defense - where's the talent? Honestly. Offense - Carson, Housh, and Chad I don't think anyone would argue. Rudi is good but I wouldn't call him elite. So there's three top tier players by my count that aren't injured (knock on wood) or suspended.Gregg and Wyche took the Bengals to a Super Bowl each...Marvin hasn't even won a playoff game and only made the playoffs once...not even in the same leagueDefinitely in the same league.Wyche coached the Bengals for 5 years before he took them to the Superbowl and the year before they went he won 4 games in the entire season - 4 games. If my memory serves me Gregg only coached for 4 years but in those 4 years he only had one winning season and that was when we went to the superbowl and lost to %@#&*$@$(! Montana and the $#&^#@$^% 49ers (and I'll always hate the 49ers and Montana for that).Look - I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time but he's at least on par with Gregg and Wyche in terms of record. One could even argue that he's better b/c he hasn't had a losing season yet...yet.My patience is wearing thin too - just something to think about.Wyche took the Bengals to the Super Bowl once and the playoffs twice. He also had one year that was disrupted by a strike. Forest Gregg had a 32-25 record with the Bengals and one of which was the 1982 strike shortened season in which many players said that they had a better team than the 1981 team that went to the Super Bowl. Gregg took the Bengals to 2 playoff appearances including one Super Bowl. When Marvin WINS a playoff game then he can be on the same level as Wyche and Gregg, until then he doesn't match up.I think it was Gregg that had the strike disruption - not Wyche. It took Wyche 5 years to get us to the superbowl and up until that time he had a worse record (including one terrible year) than ML does now and NO playoffs.Look - ML definitely still needs to prove himself - I'm just saying that you don't want to make snap judgements based on two mediocre years because the best coaches have them.No in 1987 part of there year was played with replacement players...The 1987 NFL season was the 68th regular season of the National Football League. A 24-day players' strike reduced the 16-game season to 15. The games that were scheduled for the third week of the season were canceled, but the games for weeks 4-6 were played with replacement players.Wikipedia 1987 NFL Strike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 came across this lovely site on lances blog. http://bringthechintocincy.blogspot.com/ its just crazy enough to work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 came across this lovely site on lances blog. http://bringthechintocincy.blogspot.com/ its just crazy enough to work! That can't be Lance...whoever it is spelled Rudi with a "y" instead of an "i". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 came across this lovely site on lances blog. http://bringthechintocincy.blogspot.com/ its just crazy enough to work! you people are ridiculous, we lose a game to the Pats and Marvin needs to go. Atleast wait until the season is over morons!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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damiancasey Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 No in 1987 part of there year was played with replacement players...The 1987 NFL season was the 68th regular season of the National Football League. A 24-day players' strike reduced the 16-game season to 15. The games that were scheduled for the third week of the season were canceled, but the games for weeks 4-6 were played with replacement players.Ah - I stand corrected... - Still - Even if Sam would have had 10 wins that season (which is what he had the previous season) he would still have a record equal to ML for his first 4 years. Don't want to split hairs or be a stat - nerd. Again my point is that they had very similar first 4 years by the numbers and I think ML can still be a very succesful coach if he get's a little luck and makes a few changes. I'm not making excuses for him - all coaches have a few bad seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 For those who want to endlessly indulge in childhood memories....Wyche is available. As is Forrest Gregg. So who wants to play The Steakhouse Challenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 For those who want to endlessly indulge in childhood memories....Wyche is available. As is Forrest Gregg. So who wants to play The Steakhouse Challenge?I love those childhood memories...except for when the 49ers handed us our butts...twice.Do you have thier telephone numbers handy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 For those who want to endlessly indulge in childhood memories....Wyche is available. As is Forrest Gregg. So who wants to play The Steakhouse Challenge?Another smartass off comment...we are debating the comparison of the current Bengals coach to those of past coaches...if you don't want to be a part of the conversation than just click the back bottom and be on your way. You are really starting to embarrass yourself now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 ...we are debating the comparison of the current Bengals coach to those of past coaches...if you don't want to be a part of the conversation than just click the back bottom and be on your way. As you prove every single day...it's an open forum filled with idiots. Try to cope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1 Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 it's an open forum filled with idiots.So that's why I feel so at home here!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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