agreen_112 Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Should it go to the HOF, get branded with and asterisk, or sent to outer space?Vote: http://www.vote756.com/marcecko/Story: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3024303Either brand it or send it to the moon, I don't care, just don't send it to the HOF as-is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 HOF, as-is. Yes, we all know fairly definitely what went on for at least a couple seasons, but I still have to lean on solid evidence (or lack thereof). I know, I know, ... hat size, pictures, spike in HRs, etc. But unfortunately there are no failed tests (that we know of). As much as I WANT to convict the guy, baseball (as an entity) has failed us and that leaves me with only the option of ... no asterisk, no special subtitle to the ball, nothing like that. Just send it to the Hall. I'll be sure to look it up on my next visit to Cooperstown. (btw ... went this summer for the first time ... ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Should it go to the HOFYes. DEFINITELY it should be sent to HairOnFire! He lives in Cali I think, so he would have ample opportunity to see Barry in person, and bean him in his now HUGE head with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted September 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 HOF, as-is. Yes, we all know fairly definitely what went on for at least a couple seasons, but I still have to lean on solid evidence (or lack thereof). I know, I know, ... hat size, pictures, spike in HRs, etc. But unfortunately there are no failed tests (that we know of). As much as I WANT to convict the guy, baseball (as an entity) has failed us and that leaves me with only the option of ... no asterisk, no special subtitle to the ball, nothing like that. Just send it to the Hall. I'll be sure to look it up on my next visit to Cooperstown. (btw ... went this summer for the first time ... ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT!)This is the big problem we all have....no "ONE" is ever accountable for anything!.....A 12 year old shoots some one, and we blame "society" not the kid. Dude runs through a school on a terror spree, and we blame the school and the officials! Barroids shoots up and ruins baseballs reputation, but do we blame this GROWN MAN?....nope!...We want this group known as "Baseball" to take the blame! yeah, good point. Good "hands-off" answer! pass the buck, its what we do in the USA!!Where was all this "blame diversion" when Pete Rose was getting banned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 HOF, as-is. Yes, we all know fairly definitely what went on for at least a couple seasons, but I still have to lean on solid evidence (or lack thereof). I know, I know, ... hat size, pictures, spike in HRs, etc. But unfortunately there are no failed tests (that we know of). As much as I WANT to convict the guy, baseball (as an entity) has failed us and that leaves me with only the option of ... no asterisk, no special subtitle to the ball, nothing like that. Just send it to the Hall. I'll be sure to look it up on my next visit to Cooperstown. (btw ... went this summer for the first time ... ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT!)This is the big problem we all have....no "ONE" is ever accountable for anything!.....A 12 year old shoots some one, and we blame "society" not the kid. Dude runs through a school on a terror spree, and we blame the school and the officials! Barroids shoots up and ruins baseballs reputation, but do we blame this GROWN MAN?....nope!...We want this group known as "Baseball" to take the blame! yeah, good point. Good "hands-off" answer! pass the buck, its what we do in the USA!!Where was all this "blame diversion" when Pete Rose was getting banned?Big difference between accountability and evidence. I absolutely want to hold Bonds accountable ... but I need some sort of evidence first. His 'admission' in his testimony gets mighty close. I do not think the correlation to a 12 year old having a shooting spree is a good one. A better correlation might be an adult suspected of doing whatever, with circumstantial 'evidence'. That's what we have. It's not blame diversion, but more a matter of 'lack of evidence'. Big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted September 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Like OJ, when he got off. No one on this planet would deny that he's 100% guilty of Murder. Oh that's right, there was a shortage of evidence in the murder trial too... Barry's just as guilty as OJ, the common denominator is that they (OJ's lawyers perhaps) both worked the system... I don't understand why you need substantial evidence, YOU know damn well he's guilty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted September 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 HOF, as-is. Yes, we all know fairly definitely what went on for at least a couple seasons, but I still have to lean on solid evidence (or lack thereof). I know, I know, ... hat size, pictures, spike in HRs, etc. But unfortunately there are no failed tests (that we know of). As much as I WANT to convict the guy, baseball (as an entity) has failed us and that leaves me with only the option of ... no asterisk, no special subtitle to the ball, nothing like that. Just send it to the Hall. I'll be sure to look it up on my next visit to Cooperstown. (btw ... went this summer for the first time ... ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT!)This is the big problem we all have....no "ONE" is ever accountable for anything!.....A 12 year old shoots some one, and we blame "society" not the kid. Dude runs through a school on a terror spree, and we blame the school and the officials! Barroids shoots up and ruins baseballs reputation, but do we blame this GROWN MAN?....nope!...We want this group known as "Baseball" to take the blame! yeah, good point. Good "hands-off" answer! pass the buck, its what we do in the USA!!Where was all this "blame diversion" when Pete Rose was getting banned?Big difference between accountability and evidence. I absolutely want to hold Bonds accountable ... but I need some sort of evidence first. His 'admission' in his testimony gets mighty close. I do not think the correlation to a 12 year old having a shooting spree is a good one. A better correlation might be an adult suspected of doing whatever, with circumstantial 'evidence'. That's what we have. It's not blame diversion, but more a matter of 'lack of evidence'. Big difference.Hey, I'm not denying putting off the blame, we all do it. The best example is probably the Vick inncident. Oh, "it's part of his "culture", he's been around this type of thing his whole life. It's prominent in the South." Bonds is just as guilty as the rest of them, but it's okay, everyone's doing it in "baseball", it's "baseballs" fault... and the umpires who give Barry a strike zone the size of a shoebox!The reason I stand by Henry and defend him so much is because I see a young man who is struggling to overcome being a product of his enviroment. I think people can change and do the right things in life. Henry has a bright future ahead of him if he can beat his struggles. The same with Vick... I don't see Bonds changing. Steroids have brought him up to this level and it's CHEATING and also breaking the law but that's another story for another time. CHEATERS, even though it may never be proven, don't belong in the HOF... Betting on baseball doesn't affect the outcome of the game, especially if it was for your own team to win EVERYTIME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Barry speaks out on this.Bonds: Man who bought record-breaking home run ball is an 'idiot' September 19, 2007SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Barry Bonds said the man who bought his 756th home run ball and announced plans to let the public decide its fate is an "idiot." Fashion designer Marc Ecko had the winning bid Saturday in the online auction for the ball that Bonds hit last month to break Hank Aaron's record of 755 home runs. The final selling price was $752,467, well above most predictions. Ecko, 35, has set up a Web site that lets visitors vote on three options for the ball: give it to the National Baseball Hall of Fame, brand it with an asterisk before sending it to Cooperstown or blast it into space on a rocket ship. The asterisk would suggest that Bonds' record is tainted by alleged steroid use. The Giants slugger has denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs. "All of those options don't weigh anything," Bonds told the San Francisco Chronicle on Tuesday night in Phoenix. "In baseball, that number (756) stands." Bonds said Ecko could have found a better way to spend three-quarters of a million dollars. "He's stupid. He's an idiot," Bonds said. "He spent $750,000 on the ball and that's what he's doing with it? What he's doing is stupid." Ecko did not directly respond to Bonds' comments Wednesday, but said in a statement he would make Bonds a custom T-shirt that says, "Marc Ecko paid $752,467 for my ball, and all I got was this 'stupid' T-shirt."' Ecko plans to announce what he will do with No. 756 after voting ends Sept. 25. Ben Padnos, the California entrepreneur who submitted the $186,750 winning bid on Bonds' record-tying 755th home run ball, said Tuesday he also plans to have the public vote on what to do with it.What ever make Barry uncomfortable oddly seems to make me happy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted September 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Ball will be branded with an *. http://broadband.zoomtown.com/news/read.ph...LARSDCCLM_UNEWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Ball will be branded with an *. http://broadband.zoomtown.com/news/read.ph...LARSDCCLM_UNEWSPerfect! Send it to the HOF now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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