Bengals Tipping Their Hand?

[bengalsfansince68]

There it is. Even when healthy Perry's role doesn't get him on the field for more than 12-15 plays a game, and he's featured on those plays maybe half the time. That's simply not enough impact to justify a 1st round pick.

Two things about that:

Perry's role is not necessarily limited to 12 to 15 plays per game.

That he is not featured on a given play does not mean that when Carson goes through his reads, a healthy Perry is not a pretty dynamic check down for Carson to go to and that is a big part of his role. Believe me, Carson knows it.

Anyone who saw the Colts game from a couple of years ago where CP rushed for 80 yards and caught passes for 80 more could readily see the impact a healthy Perry could have on an offense and on a football game.

[bengal4life]

Some may feel a third down/backup back isn't a first round need, and I'd agree with that too.

There it is. Even when healthy Perry's role doesn't get him on the field for more than 12-15 plays a game, and he's featured on those plays maybe half the time. That's simply not enough impact to justify a 1st round pick.

As for the argument that the Bengals didn't know if they were going to sign Rudi? Well, if that's the case then it can be said that they bought themseves some very expensive insurance that in regards to the starting RB position wasn't really needed. The Bengals had let it be known years earlier that if RJ reached free agency they were very likely going to use a restrictive tag that would all but eliminate interest from other teams. And that's exactly what happened.

Rudi wasn't even the full time starter until late in the 03 season and we drafted Perry in 04 so what do you mean by "The Bengals had let it be known years earlier that if RJ reached free agency they were very likely use a restrictive tag" on him. Maybe you meant to put months down and not years. That just doesn't make any cents.

They never tagged him only gave him an extension.

[hrod382]

I don't think they're tipping their hand at all.

In '05, Kendrell Bell/Ed Hartwell/Jamie Sharper were among those FA's rumored hard as having potential to come here then we go on and draft 2 LB's...

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I think it's imperative the Bengals' get a #2 RB or someone who can fill in for Rudi in case of injury, or split time with him regularly.

Perry's supposed to be back for training camp, so, guess we'll see how long he lasts this year.

The fact their looking at day one types in the draft - or early day 2 - make me wonder about Perry's future here though.

[HairOnFire]

Perry's role is not necessarily limited to 12 to 15 plays per game.

Anyone who saw the Colts game from a couple of years ago where CP rushed for 80 yards and caught passes for 80 more could readily see the impact a healthy Perry could have on an offense and on a football game.

Not necessarily? Isn't that a funny way of saying that Perry could potentially do more but never has? The fact remains that during Perry's entire Bengal career Rudi Johnson hasn't been challenged as the Bengals starting RB, and enough time has now passed that any excuse offered in Perry's defense is empty and hollow. Like it or not he's busted as hard as any Bengal draft pick has ever busted. As for the Colt game, I think it's memorable only in the SENSE that it may be the only game Perry has ever had a real impact in.

[bengalsfansince68]

Obviously Perry could have done more if not for the flood of injuries. He was not brought in to replace Rudi but to compliment him. To me, there is a difference between a bust and an injured player. Akili was a bust. Following that logic, Pollack is a bust. A bust to me, is a player who did not live up to his billing because he sucked. Pollack is not a bust to me, he broke his neck. Perry played well when he was on the field and may still pan out if he can get healthy and stay healthy. Referring to Perry as a bust puts it on the coach for selecting a player who sucked. That is not the case with Perry!

[HairOnFire]

To me, there is a difference between a bust and an injured player.

I've actually made the same argument myself over the years and what I've found is that most of the people who respond don't care. For example, try convincing someone who isn't a Bengal fan that Ki-Jana Carter wasn't a bust and see how far you get.

As for Perry, the injury excuse only gets you so far....especially if you felt the pick couldn't be justified from the start. Making matters worse is the fact that Perry was injured from the very start and has since suffered so many different injuries that several years after being drafted it's fair to say he still hasn't proven that he can play in the NFL.

[bengalsfansince68]

Even I see Kijanna as a bust. He was injured, granted, but I think that he was injured because he was a fat little pudge boy who should never have been drafted much less traded up to get. I was watching the game that he was injured in and when they brought him to the sideline, I was shocked to see the pot belly hanging over his belt.

All I could think was that 19 million dollar running backs don't have a big belly hanging over his belt.

As for Perry, I completely understand why he was drafted and the pick to me was justified sans injuries.

[hrod382]

The only real "bust" I see that Marvin took was Keiwan. He's been healthy for the most part and was a 2nd rounder that hasn't played at near a 2nd round level.

[bengal4life]

Carson Palmer was a major bust....Geesh.

[HairOnFire]

Even I see Kijanna as a bust. He was injured, granted, but I think that he was injured because he was a fat little pudge boy who should never have been drafted much less traded up to get. I was watching the game that he was injured in and when they brought him to the sideline, I was shocked to see the pot belly hanging over his belt.

All I could think was that 19 million dollar running backs don't have a big belly hanging over his belt.

As for Perry, I completely understand why he was drafted and the pick to me was justified sans injuries.

Isn't that a double standard? Carter's poor conditioning didn't result in his injury. No, that happened because the Bengals miserable offensive line collapsed inward yet again and allowed a Detroit Lion DE to bend and fold Carter as if he were made of paper. In addition, the temporary belly fat he carried as a result of his holdout didn't prevent Carter from gaining 8 yards on the sweep he ran one play before being injured.

But let's get back on point. The Bengals desperately needed a new starting RB at the time Carter was drafted so there's almost no room to debate whether his 1st round selection was more justified than in Perry's example where a 1st round pick was used for a player you admit was never intended to be a starter.

[bengalsfansince68]

I admit that I, like everyone else, was very excited by trading up to get Kijanna. Until I discovered what a little fat boy he was. Poor conditioning frequently results in injury. I remember watching Ickey during camp the year following our super bowl. In my mind, Ickey went on the super bowl banquet tour and got fat and came to camp out of shape. I was watching a pre-season game with my Bengal buddies and I said to them to watch Ickey, he's half-steppin' it and when you go less than all out, your chances for injury go up. I said watch and see, Ickey's going to get hurt. He did and we never really saw him again.

I am sure that you don't know any more than I how much Carter's poor conditioning contributed to his injury but poor conditioning absolutely can cause injuries.

I am not even trying to debate which pick was more justified. I think both picks at the time they were made, were justified. Really, my only point is that I can see from what I saw on the field why Marvin wanted CP and many here cannot. Just my opinion.

If Perry had spent his 3 years injury free and on the field, everyone here would be singing his praises instead of trashing him every day. Also my opinion.