Senior Bowl Weigh ins :p

[Kazkal]

Victor Abiamiri 6044 271 33 1/2 10 1/4 Thick upper body and thighs

Aundrae Allison 6001 197 32 8 7/8 Slender w/long arms

Josh Beekman 6016 315 31 1/2 9 5/8 Spare tire in the middle.

H.B. Blades 5106 237 31 5/8 10 1/8 Thick thighs and broad shoulders.

Stewart Bradley 6035 256 32 3/4 9 7/8 Muscular and well built.

Levi Brown 6053 323 34 1/2 9 1/2 Thick and barrel chested.

Prescott Burgess 6031 246 33 1/4 10 Solid all around.

Adam Carriker 6057 292 33 9 1/2 Long thick arms.

Scott Chandler 6065 268 34 9 3/4 Needs a lot of upper body work.

David Clowney 6003 184 31 10 1/8 Bow-legged. Thin arms/legs.

Mason Crosby 6010 214 29 1/2 9 3/8 Kickers body.

Doug Datish 6037 302 32 1/2 9 1/8 FLab around the middle and underdeveloped chest.

Josh Gattis 6010 206 32 1/2 9 3/4 Well built and solid.

Leon Hall 5110 193 32 9 1/8 Thin but well developed.

Clark Harris 6053 257 32 9 7/8 Lanky.

David Harris 6022 239 32 1/2 9 3/8 Long and developed.

Ryan Harris 6046 299 33 3/4 9 1/2 Slim shoulders and soft body.

Jason Hill 6004 204 32 9 5/8 Slender build.

Daymeion Hughes 5101 192 31 3/8 8 3/4 Small and compact.

Tony Hunt 6016 239 31 1/4 9 3/4 Solid and bigger than expected.

Tanard Jackson 6000 192 31 8 5/8 Very good.

Nick Leeson 6014 258 31 1/4 9 1/2 Beergut...was referred to as a wasted roster spot.

Brian Leonard 6010 224 30 1/4 9 3/8 Athletic build.

James Marten 6073 303 34 9 5/8 Soft body. Tall.

Marcus McCauley 6005 200 31 1/2 10 1/8 Cut and solid.

Rhema McKnight 6007 207 32 1/4 10 Cut.

Kevin McLee 5116 239 31 1/4 8 3/4 Soft up top.

Brandon Mebane 6010 304 32 1/2 10 Tank butt and soft torso.

Jay Moore 6045 276 32 9 1/4 Thick and solid.

Dan Mozes 6023 300 31 1/2 10 Solid but room for improvement.

Brandon Myles 6007 183 33 1/2 8 1/8 Slender but cut.

Amobi Okoye 6020 287 34 10 1/4 Built like a brickhouse.

Tyler Palko 6007 215 32 1/4 9 7/8 Good shape with nice definition.

David Patterson 6017 274 32 10 1/8 Sloppy and soft.

Quinn Pitcock 6023 301 32 9 3/4 Thick all around.

Adam Podlesh 5106 203 29 1/2 8 5/8 Well built.

Paul Posluszny 6012 237 32 1/4 9 5/8 Look good- thick and cut.

Manny Ramirez 6027 335 32 10 1/2 Big shoulder and arms but soft body.

Aaron Rouse 6035 218 33 3/8 9 5/8 Cut and thick.

Samson Satele 6022 294 31 3/4 10 Needs development everywhere.

Troy Smith 6000 222 32 1/2 10 1/4 Solid build.

Kloby Smith 5112 214 32 9 1/2 V-shape.

Anthony Spencer 6024 266 32 3/4 10 Soft body.

Drew Stanton 6027 226 30 3/4 9 3/4 Very thin.

Eric Weddle 5112 205 30 9 5/8 Needs weight room work; little development.

Paul Williams 6010 200 35 10 1/4 Long arms and broad shoulders.

Josh Wilson 5091 188 30 9 1/8 Compact build.

Garrett Wolfe 5073 182 29 1/8 9 1/2 Small but cut.

LaMarr Woodley 6013 269 34 1/4 10 Thick arms but soft body.

Marshal Yanda 6037 304 32 1/4 9 3/4 Soft.

South:

Full Name Ht Wt Arm Hand Body Type

Rufus Alexander 6007 227 33 9 1/4 V-shape and thick up top.

Dallas Baker 6030 203 35 3/4 9 7/8 Flab around the gut.

Fred Bennett 6007 196 33 9 1/4 Wide shoulders.

Justin Blalock 6033 331 33 1/2 10 1/4 Big rear end but sloppy on top.

Lorenzo Booker 5103 188 30 3/4 9 Slender and skinny.

Dwayne Bowe 6022 222 33 1/4 9 1/2 Built like a linebacker.

Kareem Brown 6040 303 33 1/4 10 1/2 Spare tire and no definition.

Tim Crowder 6037 271 33 9 1/2 Big triceps/traps.

Kenneth Darby 5101 211 29 1/2 9 Limited definition.

Chris Davis 5102 180 29 3/4 9 3/8 Bird legs and thin upper body.

AJ Davis 5095 192 30 1/4 8 1/4 Very slender.

Buster Davis 5093 244 31 1/8 10 1/2 Stout and built like a stump.

Tim Duckworth 6032 304 32 1/2 9 1/4 Wide and solid.

Earl Everett 6021 235 32 1/4 9 1/4 Slender but well defined.

Nick Folk 6011 220 31 1/8 9 Solid build.

Dustin Fry 6023 326 33 1/8 9 3/4 Mr. Jiggles.

Brett Goode 6012 232 31 1/2 9 1/2 Very soft.

Michael Griffin 5114 195 31 7/8 10 1/8 Solid and lean.

Ben Grubbs 6030 315 33 10 Broad shoulders and small chest.

Leroy Harris 6024 298 33 10 3/8 Thick but no definition.

Johnnie Lee Higgins 5112 183 31 3/8 9 1/2 Thick thighs but small upper body. Looked like a track guy.

Kenny Irons 5107 198 31 8 3/4 Looks like a body builder.

David Irons 5101 188 31 3/4 10 1/4 In shape but needs weight room work.

Antonio Johnson 6027 305 33 3/4 9 1/2 No definition and knocked knee.

Ryan Kalil 6027 291 32 9 3/4 Athletic build.

Kevin Kolb 6027 220 31 1/8 9 7/8 No upper body.

Chris Leak 5117 203 31 1/4 9 5/8 Slender but thick thighs.

Ryan McBean 6045 277 32 1/2 10 1/4 Cut and defined.

Le'Ron McClain 6000 265 32 9 Thick with definition.

Ray McDonald 6033 282 33 1/4 10 No definition.

Brandon Meriweather 5105 192 30 8 5/8 Needs work in the weight room.

Martrez Milner 6036 256 34 9 Needs work in the weight room.

Quentin Moses 6047 249 33 1/2 9 1/2 Flat chested and soft.

Joe Newton 6065 257 34 1/2 10 5/8 Long and lean.

Jordan Palmer 6053 229 33 9 7/8 Thick build for a passer.

Kevin Payne 6001 215 30 8 7/8 Cut.

Chase Pittman 6044 272 32 3/4 10 7/8 Small spare tire and no chest.

Aaron Ross 6004 192 31 1/4 9 Thin upper body.

Arron Sears 6031 317 34 10 1/8 Big lower body and solid up top.

Daniel Sepulveda 6021 228 31 1/4 10 Cut and in good shape.

Juwan Simpson 6023 223 33 101/4 No torso development.

Joe Staley 6055 296 34 1/4 10 1/8 Spare time with limited upper body definition.

Chansi Stuckey 5101 193 31 9 3/4 Marginal development.

Courtney Taylor 6015 200 31 3/4 9 5/8 Well built but thin legs.

Tony Taylor 6005 237 32 9 Thick calves and thighs.

DeMarcus Tyler 6021 323 33 9 3/4 Sloppy with lots of rolls. Needs to wear the "bro".

Tony Ugoh 6054 301 36 9 3/4 Athletic build with big lower body.

Jonathan Wade 5097 192 30 1/4 9 1/8 Scrawny.

Patrick Willis 6010 240 32 3/4 9 3/4 Cut and well built.

Mansfield Wrotto 6030 316 33 10 1/8 Very soft.

Okoye:wow at the weight loss... guess the rumors were true

Troy smith:good to see him 6'0 on the dot...still should be end of 1 early 2nd rnd pick

Moses:flat chested? lol.... 249 looks like for sure be olb prospect.

DeMarcus Tyler 6021 323 33 9 3/4 Sloppy with lots of rolls. Needs to wear the "bro". Lol.

Dwayne Bowe 6022 222 33 1/4 9 1/2 Built like a linebacker. WR built like a LB ? damn.

[HoosierCat]

Brandon Mebane 6010 304 32 1/2 10 Tank butt and soft torso.

"Tank butt." Huh-huh huh-huh.

Dustin Fry 6023 326 33 1/8 9 3/4 Mr. Jiggles.

That one will stick.

DeMarcus Tyler 6021 323 33 9 3/4 Sloppy with lots of rolls. Needs to wear the "bro".

[Kazkal]

Suprised that woodleys back up to 270...Thought he dropped 10-15 lbs

[schweinhart]

Okoye looked greased pig quick today at the Senior Bowl practice. He put a spin move on Manny Ramirez in 1-on1's that made Manny look downright stupid. But Okoye tried the same again and Ramirez locked him up and put him away. Okoye is getting hyped up for the show, and the gist of it ain't all just his 19-year-old Nigerian story line. With good reason, since he's done himself well vs. decent comp at U of L.

Still, the rub with him is going to be upper body strength -- not that he doesn't necessarily have it but that he doesn't use it well enough. If he can't get off with quicks he's dead in the water because he has a hard time regaining any kind of leverage when his momentum wipes him out.

He does look a lot like Brod Bunkley from last year but he's no where near as strong. Bunk went #14 last year but turned out to be a 1st year dud mainly through his own doing if reports about him showing up out of shape at Eagles camp and not applying techniques he was being coached on are true. Okoye don't seem like he'd go that route if he gets drafted in the 1st.

Tank Tyler showing up in "bro' shape at a more than hefty 323 sure helps Okoye too this week.

Woodley looked like he could have fared better playing with less weight vs. Levi Brown in 1 on 1's. Levi repeatedly just face planted Woodley coming around the edge.

Cornerwise today, Leon Hall looked sharp with his reaction to routes and closing on the ball. It looks like Daymeion Hughes is going to stick with playing about a 10 yard cushion, which won;t get him anything other than the zone corner consideration that he came in with. Marcus McCauley looked lost in 1 on 1's today but he's probably one of the rustier players out there between no bowl game and spending some time in Pat Hill's doghouse during the regular season.

As for the Heisman watch, Troy Smith had a real nice Northern Illinois helmet on today

Looks like 2 of the more intense at practice today who seem determined to make the most of their trips are Adam Carriker and Brian Leonard. Both were looking for contact and getting the better of their opponents when they found it.

[Whur CHad At?]

From what I have heard the only player the Bengals talked to yesterday was Lorenzo Booker

[Kazkal]

Ya...Leonard weighing 220 looks like he may be a RB in the nfl because even 230 seems light for a FB.

Schwein-do you think Okoye would be what we need on other side of peko? or do you think we need a NT?

As for the Heisman watch, Troy Smith had a real nice Northern Illinois helmet on today wacko.gif

what was up with that?

Okoye looked greased pig quick today at the Senior Bowl practice. He put a spin move on Manny Ramirez in 1-on1's that made Manny look downright stupid. But Okoye tried the same again and Ramirez locked him up and put him away.

Ramirez said to okoye full me once shame on you full me twice shame on me I really like ramirez as a prospect for RG though if we somehow picked up a 3rd rnder and he was still on the board woulden't remind taking him to replace bobbie williams in the future.

Woodley looked like he could have fared better playing with less weight vs. Levi Brown in 1 on 1's. Levi repeatedly just face planted Woodley coming around the edge.

Ya levi was pimp smacking wood down to the ground.

[Kazkal]

From what I have heard the only player the Bengals talked to yesterday was Lorenzo Booker

Thats good,I woulden't mind grabbing booker day 2 as RB prospect...watch bengals take him in rnd 1....

[Bengalbob]

FYI, NFL Countdown has a decent amount of info on the happenings at the Senior Bowl, including an informative blog . . .

NFL Countdown Blog

[schweinhart]

From what I have heard the only player the Bengals talked to yesterday was Lorenzo Booker

Interesting...Unless they get a 3rd round pick, hard to believe the Bengals wouldn't have to use a 2nd to get Booker. But with Tony Hunt gaining momentum and Darius Walker in the draft, maybe Booker slides into the 4th.

Schwein-do you think Okoye would be what we need on other side of peko? or do you think we need a NT?

Sooner or later the Bengals have to replace Thornton. I don't think Peko would be their answer at LDT, and as such I'd be more inclined to view him as Thornton's replacement. But given the Marvin history, the Bengals use undersized DTs to pass rush from RDT, the latest version being Fanene. Okoye would definitely be an improvement over Fanene there but I think it would be a mistake for the Bengals to draft Okoye with plans for him as a starter at either DT position. I'd rather see Shaun Smith continue development as Doublewide Sam's replacement at LDT and Peko start at RDT once Thornton is gone.

[HairOnFire]

Woodley looked like he could have fared better playing with less weight vs. Levi Brown in 1 on 1's. Levi repeatedly just face planted Woodley coming around the edge.

Cornerwise today, Leon Hall looked sharp with his reaction to routes and closing on the ball. It looks like Daymeion Hughes is going to stick with playing about a 10 yard cushion, which won;t get him anything other than the zone corner consideration that he came in with. Marcus McCauley looked lost in 1 on 1's today but he's probably one of the rustier players out there between no bowl game and spending some time in Pat Hill's doghouse during the regular season.

Remember all of the heat I took when I passed along the critical opinions of Woodley from a couple of NFL scouts?

Good times.

Oh, and Marcus McCauley is looking for a soft spot to land....because the closer you look the less you like.

[schweinhart]

Woodley looked like he could have fared better playing with less weight vs. Levi Brown in 1 on 1's. Levi repeatedly just face planted Woodley coming around the edge.

Cornerwise today, Leon Hall looked sharp with his reaction to routes and closing on the ball. It looks like Daymeion Hughes is going to stick with playing about a 10 yard cushion, which won;t get him anything other than the zone corner consideration that he came in with. Marcus McCauley looked lost in 1 on 1's today but he's probably one of the rustier players out there between no bowl game and spending some time in Pat Hill's doghouse during the regular season.

Remember all of the heat I took when I passed along the critical opinions of Woodley from a couple of NFL scouts?

Good times.

Oh, and Marcus McCauley is looking for a soft spot to land....because the closer you look the less you like.

You took heat for Woodley? Well, you are a true mensch

When you get to see Woodley and Anthony Spencer go up against the same left tackle in Levi Brown, it looks pretty clear who's got the better shot of success rushing the edge -- Spencer. The greater speed outside that Spencer has over Woodley sets up the inside move like he showed today. Woodley would've served himself better to dump weight and try the transition to space.

McCauley looks lost off the ball. But in bump, it's a different story. He should be able to trail slot receivers well and play up to the line to jam receivers even better. The more time, the more separation receivers get, which is why he probably won't be viewed as the same kind of man-isolation CB that he was as Fresno. Plus, this guy can get off WR blocks with ease and play the run with pop.

If there's any truly overrated CB out there really looking for a soft place to land, it's got to be Daymeion Hughes. He's still giving the 10 yard cushion and when he doesn't, its shows why he don;t want to give it up. He can't stay with a WR in man at all.

[HairOnFire]

You took heat for Woodley? Well, you are a true mensch

When you get to see Woodley and Anthony Spencer go up against the same left tackle in Levi Brown, it looks pretty clear who's got the better shot of success rushing the edge -- Spencer. The greater speed outside that Spencer has over Woodley sets up the inside move like he showed today. Woodley would've served himself better to dump weight and try the transition to space.

McCauley looks lost off the ball. But in bump, it's a different story. He should be able to trail slot receivers well and play up to the line to jam receivers even better. The more time, the more separation receivers get, which is why he probably won't be viewed as the same kind of man-isolation CB that he was as Fresno. Plus, this guy can get off WR blocks with ease and play the run with pop.

What's a mensch? Is it a Jewish draftnik?

I don't disagree with your comments about Woodley...or Spencer. I'm just pointing out that a few weeks ago the Woodley hype machine was running flat out. Since then it's sputtered and stalled and for exactly the same reasons that I passed along.

As for McCauley I'd say he's a physical freak who lacks technique, awareness, and instincts. In fact, he looks like a walking talking big play just waiting to happen...for both teams. But he has the tools needed to develope into something special if he doesn't have a 10-cent head, and there's the rub since his time in the college doghouse implies he has exactly that.

[WretchedOne]

I'm not concerned about Okoye at all. He's 19 and has not reached his "max frame" at all, he's still going to grow, get bigger and stronger. The fact that he can already almost totally compete with guys at least 2-3 years older than him I think says a lot about what kind of player he is.

Get in a NFL camp and get him some strength coaching and he'll easily put on another 10-15 pounds of muscle. He seems to have the maturity to step right in and start competiting the real NFL big boys.

I'm glad questions are popping up about him, it means Cincy may have a chance at snagging him.

Another player to really watch out for is Mebane, he might have that bubble but and be "soft" but the dude has done nothing put impress these first 2 days. He IS strong and has a never ending motor (how much does marvin absolutely covet guys with non-stop motors?). He's been getting a lot of praise. Always fighting, always coming, been beating the double team constantly.

If Brandon can keep impressing and have a good combine, cause this kid might be #2 behind Branch in the athletic dept, he could elevate himself into the 1st round. He's very agile and quick for a man his size. I can really see Mebane as JTs eventual replacement.

And fudge Tank Tyler...Gabe Watson anyone? And showing up all flabby certianly does not help his case AT ALL. He is highly overrated.

[schweinhart]

What's a mensch? Is it a Jewish draftnik?

I don't disagree with your comments about Woodley...or Spencer. I'm just pointing out that a few weeks ago the Woodley hype machine was running flat out. Since then it's sputtered and stalled and for exactly the same reasons that I passed along.

Oh, my bad.

How about a regular Nostrilanus then? You know after that medieval doctor-prognasticator from France.

I wouldn't chop Woodley's head of just yet, though. Sizewise, he'll have the better chance at being looked at as a 4-3 DE than Spencer and Spencer has yet to prove he can play in space, where he most likely will have to. But it looks pretty clear that DEs like Charles Johnson, Adam Carriker and Victor Abiamiri

And I hear you about McCauley. But there's a dearth of man corners in this draft for the next level. McCauley is still in that mix albeit loosely.

[Kazkal]

perk for us if we took Mccauley is he really would be give him time since oneal has 2 years left in his contract...but still big type of boom or bust.

I'm not concerned about Okoye at all. He's 19 and has not reached his "max frame" at all, he's still going to grow, get bigger and stronger.

Okoye weighed 315 at start of the season but dropped weight to gain more quickness.

[AGrizzlyBaer]

just a few updates i found off this site

http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2007draft.html

DT Amobi Okoye (Louisville) has displayed a great first step and has great technique and an array of moves as a pass-rusher...he reminds some scouts of a young Warren Sapp... Okoye beat OG Samson Satele (Hawaii) with a great spin over move in the one on one pass rush drills...DE Anthony Spencer (Purdue) has been very impressive displaying a quick first step and squared off against highly regarded OT Levi Brown (Penn State) this morning beating him once with a great inside spin move...both DE Jay Moore and Adam Carriker of (Nebraska) flashed pass rushing ability in the morning drills...DT Brandon Mebane (Cal) displayed great lower body strength and used good leverage in the pass rushing drills.

[HairOnFire]

How about a regular Nostrilanus then? You know after that medieval doctor-prognasticator from France.

I've never heard of him so I'll happily defer to your greater knowledge and experience in all matters that relate to the anus, the nose, and French doctors. (Presumably, a proctologist.)

As for Woodley, I'm not lopping off his head. Just pointing out my opinion that he's not worthy of 1st round consideration, as many here once thought.

And yeah, I just threw McCauley under the same bus.

[Kazkal]

Aye was not 2 months ago when everyone was calling him the best DE in the draft.

[schweinhart]

just a few updates i found off this site

http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2007draft.html

DT Amobi Okoye (Louisville) has displayed a great first step and has great technique and an array of moves as a pass-rusher...he reminds some scouts of a young Warren Sapp... Okoye beat OG Samson Satele (Hawaii) with a great spin over move in the one on one pass rush drills...DE Anthony Spencer (Purdue) has been very impressive displaying a quick first step and squared off against highly regarded OT Levi Brown (Penn State) this morning beating him once with a great inside spin move...both DE Jay Moore and Adam Carriker of (Nebraska) flashed pass rushing ability in the morning drills...DT Brandon Mebane (Cal) displayed great lower body strength and used good leverage in the pass rushing drills.

Nice. Okoye made Satele look as bad as he did Manny Ramirez yesterday in the same drill. But like Ramirez, Satele got him on the 2nd one but not as completely locked up as Ramirez.

The problem I got with Okoye is also his strength -- that 1st step and that quickness. The team that takes him should be prepared to capitalize on that based on their scheme, which would have been perfect for the Bengals a couple years back when Leslie Frazier was the D-coordinator and the DTs and DEs constantly stunted but not now that the Bengals have actually improved their run D by adding bulk and stronger interior players who can keep the spacing right between them without getting knocked back off the line...I think they take a step back with their run D if they take Okoye.

[Kazkal]

Don't tell the bengal fans on footballfuture that they'll chew your ass out about how perfect okoye is and he has plenty of ste blah blah blah.

[schweinhart]

Send them on over Kaz...the more the merrier Why all the pad smacking at the Senior Bowl don't do nothing but make a body want to face plant somebody anyway.

Okoye does have an excellent upside and is obviously smart and coachable. At 19, some team no doubt will look at the long-term 1st round deal over the now much shorter 2nd round contract capped at 3 years. I'm not sure he actually lost any weight though. My guess would be that's what he weighed all along because he looks pretty much skin tight.

[HoosierCat]

I'd rather see Shaun Smith continue development as Doublewide Sam's replacement at LDT and Peko start at RDT once Thornton is gone.

Only hitch there is that they would actually have to resign Shaun. He's an RFA, but he was never drafted, so unless they would have to drop the $1.3m tender on him, minimum, to get any compensation should some team sign him. I know that isnt a lot of coin but I dunno if they pony anything up for a guy they constantly deactivate on gameday so Fear the Fanene can play.

[Kazkal]

I got warned to play nice or receive a boot eh.

[schweinhart]

I'd rather see Shaun Smith continue development as Doublewide Sam's replacement at LDT and Peko start at RDT once Thornton is gone.

Only hitch there is that they would actually have to resign Shaun. He's an RFA, but he was never drafted, so unless they would have to drop the $1.3m tender on him, minimum, to get any compensation should some team sign him. I know that isnt a lot of coin but I dunno if they pony anything up for a guy they constantly deactivate on gameday so Fear the Fanene can play.

I don't think Shaun will fetch a bundle and as a RFA the Bengals have the right to beat any offer sheet. You would have thought Marv and them would have learned in '05 not to deactivate Shaun vs. the Steelers (and there was even more reason not to with the Bus) but I guess they are just not going to let off of the bad idea to keep kicking down DEs who get totally wiped out inside because they are so undersized.

But either way there, Okoye would not be the answer IMO unless the Bengals want to go back to the days of stunting every play and take the chance of the middle open up like the Red Sea again. Either way, I wish the Bengals would make up their minds defensively...Go big DTs or go lighter and faster ones...Go lighter, faster LBs or go big ones. It's like watching a Chinese fire drill.

[HairOnFire]

But either way there, Okoye would not be the answer IMO unless the Bengals want to go back to the days of stunting every play and take the chance of the middle open up like the Red Sea again. Either way, I wish the Bengals would make up their minds defensively...Go big DTs or go lighter and faster ones...Go lighter, faster LBs or go big ones. It's like watching a Chinese fire drill.

I've been thinking along the same line. I'm finding it difficult to rank defensive lineman, including DE's, due to uncertainty of what the Bengals might be looking for. Do they look for a so-called elephant DE to man the LDE spot or change to a lighter 250-260 pure pass rusher to bookend with Geathers in a Colt-styled pass rush? As for Okoye, he perfectly fits the 290 lb. DT mold that Marvin preferred after arriving, but not that fat attack that has been emphasized of late.

Quite honestly, I don't know what fits anymore.