San Diego/NE postgame

[jjakq27]

Can somebody clue me in on what they are talking about? I saw LT coming off the field and of course he was upset after they lost. He looked like he was refusing to give any interviews on the field and may have gotten into a skirmish or argument with a few of the Pats after the game but I never heard the details.

"PATRIOTS: Coach Bill Belichick reluctantly addressed the issue of his team's celebration after its victory at San Diego.

"I'd say we try to handle those situations as we always have," he said Wednesday.

But what about LaDainian Tomlinson's complaints?

"I have all the respect in the world for LaDainian Tomlinson and the San Diego Chargers," he said. "They're an outstanding football team, and right now our focus is on the Indianapolis Colts."

The Patriots play the AFC Championship Game in Indianapolis on Sunday. Might they tone down their celebration if they win?

"We always want to represent ourselves a certain way, so it's up to Coach (Bill) Belichick to talk about that to the players," quarterback Tom Brady said. "Some of it is just raw emotion. Some of it maybe does go a little bit too far, but what happened happened." "

[i]http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070118/SPT0201/701180362/1067/SPT

[Stripes]

Tomlinson was being a baby.

[MacD BengalFan]

LT claims that some of the Pats players mimicked Shawn Merrimans "Lights out" dance after the game was over. During the press conferance, he called them classless and even suggested that Bill Bilicheck encourage this activity. I have not seen any video of this, but LT sure took exception to this and let everyone know it.

[Spor_tees]

What LT was pissed off about is that after the game, Patriots players went to the midle of the field and mimicked Merriman's "lights out" dance on the Charger's symbol and had mimicked him before, during, and then after the game.

[Vol_Bengal]

Can somebody clue me in on what they are talking about? I saw LT coming off the field and of course he was upset after they lost. He looked like he was refusing to give any interviews on the field and may have gotten into a skirmish or argument with a few of the Pats after the game but I never heard the details.

"PATRIOTS: Coach Bill Belichick reluctantly addressed the issue of his team's celebration after its victory at San Diego.

"I'd say we try to handle those situations as we always have," he said Wednesday.

But what about LaDainian Tomlinson's complaints?

"I have all the respect in the world for LaDainian Tomlinson and the San Diego Chargers," he said. "They're an outstanding football team, and right now our focus is on the Indianapolis Colts."

The Patriots play the AFC Championship Game in Indianapolis on Sunday. Might they tone down their celebration if they win?

"We always want to represent ourselves a certain way, so it's up to Coach (Bill) Belichick to talk about that to the players," quarterback Tom Brady said. "Some of it is just raw emotion. Some of it maybe does go a little bit too far, but what happened happened." "

[i]http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070118/SPT0201/701180362/1067/SPT

Ellis Hobbs and a few other Patriot players went out to mid-field and were dancing, etc. and carrying on after Kaeding missed the field goal. Hobbs additionally was mocking Shawne Merriman's "Light's Out" dance he does after a big play at midfield. Tomlinson just was upset that a team of NE's caliber having won the Super Bowl's they have thought they'd carry themselves in a more professional manner and "act like they'd been there before". To an extent he's right - there is nothing wrong with celebrating a win, but to dance at midfield on someone else's turf and mock the other teams mannerisms / dances to me is bush-league. Can anyone say Hines Ward mocking CJ's riverdance ? This is a team that has won 3 of the last 5 SB I believe and they're out there acting like they're going to the AFC Championship for the first time ever.

[jjakq27]

To an extent he's right - there is nothing wrong with celebrating a win, but to dance at midfield on someone else's turf and mock the other teams mannerisms / dances to me is bush-league. Can anyone say Hines Ward mocking CJ's riverdance ? This is a team that has won 3 of the last 5 SB I believe and they're out there acting like they're going to the AFC Championship for the first time ever.

Don't forget the Ickey Shuffle.

[duus]

Not sure any of this really bothers me on any level, but if there is any merit whatsoever to LT's comments, then what does this say about Ward's riverdance (albeit the absolute worst copy I have ever seen) as well as the whole Who-Dey thing with the head coach right in the middle of it ... not once ... but twice. If there is any shread of truth that the Pats handled themselves in an unprofessional or classless manner, then the Black-N-Urine should be seen as the standard.

[PatriotsCanWin]

[CBin2k7]

LT is normally a very classy individual, he let his emotions get carried away after a tough loss.

It's stupid to get mad at someone for mocking a dance that is done everytime the player makes a big play. Talk about being a hypocrite, Does LT get mad at Merriman for doing that dance when he is at someone else's home field? You can't choose when to take exception to something when it is meant to downgrade an opponent in the first place and bring attention to Merriman.

[muelleaw1]

Going back to the Hines Ward thing with the Riverdance. Until this year, I've always told people that the difference in football celebrations between Chad and people like T.O. and Ward were that Chad's celebrations were never done with the intent to "show up" individuals on the other team, for lack of a better description. Chad's celebrations were always fun, but never mocking an opposing player. Ward's for instance, were done to show up Chad with the riverdance, and T.O with the flapping wing thing. (Those are the two that come to mind, but I'm sure there are more.)

However, that all changed this year when Chad did his first celebration to show up an individual on the opposing sideline. You got it, he did the Sean Merriman, "lights-out dance" after scoring against San Diego in the first half. And Merriman wasn't even playing. Plus, Kama was a beeeeotchhhh in that game. It's the only celebration of that kind that he has done as far as I can remember. So there goes that argument in defending Chad and his celebrations to the Brownies' fans.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

This is Hobbs' 2nd year in the NFL. He is the proud owner of 0 rings. Why should he "act like he's been there before" if he hasn't? This is Merriman's 2nd year also I believe. If he can do his dumb dance than so can other people. Just because the franchise has won 3 SB doesn't mean all players have. I didn't see Brady out there doing that.

Well, you're not exactly an unbiased observer, Mr. Patriots Can Win. That said, the time for trash talking is before or during a game, which is in fact when Merriman does whatever he does. Doing so after a game you just won is winning without class. There's nothing wrong with celebrating, but intentionally mocking the opponent you just beat is needless.

You're right, Brady doesn't do that sort of thing. He needs to get on the retards who did. This crap does start with the coach - if I was the coach and my players started acting like jackasses like that, I'd yank them off the field by the facemask.

LT is one of the better citizens in this league, and has the respect of pretty much the entire league for the things he does on and off the field. I'm inclined to listen to him, and happen to agree with him. That said, it's over, time to move on. I'm sure LT would agree.

[Kirkendall]

Here's the classic part in all this.

Merriman said that the dance "was not right".

OK, sit back and soak that in. Go ahead. Sit back, knowing that Merriman is a no good damn cheat telling US that it's not right. The guy is a tool.

[duus]

Well, you're not exactly an unbiased observer, Mr. Patriots Can Win. That said, the time for trash talking is before or during a game, which is in fact when Merriman does whatever he does. Doing so after a game you just won is winning without class. There's nothing wrong with celebrating, but intentionally mocking the opponent you just beat is needless.

You're right, Brady doesn't do that sort of thing. He needs to get on the retards who did. This crap does start with the coach - if I was the coach and my players started acting like jackasses like that, I'd yank them off the field by the facemask.

LT is one of the better citizens in this league, and has the respect of pretty much the entire league for the things he does on and off the field. I'm inclined to listen to him, and happen to agree with him. That said, it's over, time to move on. I'm sure LT would agree.

Well, if your definition is accurate, then what does that have to say about the headcoach actually participating in a post-game mocking of another team's rallying cry? You know, the whole Who-Dey / We-Dey thing? Add to that that this post-game mockery came knowing that you just beat the team having injured the opponent's QB. I am not one to have ever voiced an opinion on this one way or another, but if what you say is true, then what the Steelers did last year must be considered the absolute best example of what classless truly is.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Well, you're not exactly an unbiased observer, Mr. Patriots Can Win. That said, the time for trash talking is before or during a game, which is in fact when Merriman does whatever he does. Doing so after a game you just won is winning without class. There's nothing wrong with celebrating, but intentionally mocking the opponent you just beat is needless.

You're right, Brady doesn't do that sort of thing. He needs to get on the retards who did. This crap does start with the coach - if I was the coach and my players started acting like jackasses like that, I'd yank them off the field by the facemask.

LT is one of the better citizens in this league, and has the respect of pretty much the entire league for the things he does on and off the field. I'm inclined to listen to him, and happen to agree with him. That said, it's over, time to move on. I'm sure LT would agree.

Well, if your definition is accurate, then what does that have to say about the headcoach actually participating in a post-game mocking of another team's rallying cry? You know, the whole Who-Dey / We-Dey thing? Add to that that this post-game mockery came knowing that you just beat the team having injured the opponent's QB. I am not one to have ever voiced an opinion on this one way or another, but if what you say is true, then what the Steelers did last year must be considered the absolute best example of what classless truly is.

What, like I'm arguing with you? Of course it was low class. But kind of like how I'd yell at my kid but not my dog for playing with his balls, I expect better from New England than Pissburgh.

[duus]

What, like I'm arguing with you? Of course it was low class. But kind of like how I'd yell at my kid but not my dog for playing with his balls, I expect better from New England than Pissburgh.

No, that wasn't meant to suggest you were arguing/disagreeing with me ... just making a point. And then you had to go and provide some mental image of a dog and his birth toys ... thanks for that.

[SteelerFan87]

Ok, Hines's dances are not meant to "show people up". How hateful do you have to be to ever compare Hines to TO? Hines's mocking dances are meant as jokes. You could even see TO on the sideline laughing when Ward did his eagle dance, because he knew it was a joke. I'm sure Chad had a similar reaction to seeing Hines's rendition of his riverdance.

Now, as for the Pats/SD thing, you just should NOT dance on the opposing team's symbol. That's something that won't be tolerated. It's like when TO did his thing on the star in Dallas, only then, the guy who went out to knock him off the star was praised for sticking up for his team but for some reason LT is accused of being a whiner for doing pretty much the same thing. Also, it's one thing to taunt your rivals, but a random team like the Chargers? There is no rivalry between the Pats and Chargers, well, at least not untill now.

[duus]

It will never cease to amaze me how Steeler fans always find ways to talk in circles so as to never criticize their own. They are so unique in that way. To imply that 'dancing on a symbol on the field' is unacceptable, yet allowing the headcoach to participate in mocking a rivals chant is o.k. Seriously, either both are bad and unacceptable or both are in the category of "who cares". You simply cannot have it both ways ... uh, unless you are from Pissburgh. I should have expected as much.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

It will never cease to amaze me how Steeler fans always find ways to talk in circles so as to never criticize their own. They are so unique in that way. To imply that 'dancing on a symbol on the field' is unacceptable, yet allowing the headcoach to participate in mocking a rivals chant is o.k. Seriously, either both are bad and unacceptable or both are in the category of "who cares". You simply cannot have it both ways ... uh, unless you are from Pissburgh. I should have expected as much.

See, here's the problem: pretty much anyone in Pittsburgh with any brains gets the hell out whenever they can, leaving behind a whole lot of people for whom logic is not their first language. You seem to have done the reverse commute on that one. But in any event, trying to have an intelligent conversation with these people and expecting them to recognize things like double standards is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It's just pointless.

I have honestly passed up applying for decent jobs with two of the few high-profile employers Pissburgh has because I'd have to, you know, live in Pissburgh.

[SteelerFan87]

It will never cease to amaze me how Steeler fans always find ways to talk in circles so as to never criticize their own. They are so unique in that way. To imply that 'dancing on a symbol on the field' is unacceptable, yet allowing the headcoach to participate in mocking a rivals chant is o.k. Seriously, either both are bad and unacceptable or both are in the category of "who cares". You simply cannot have it both ways ... uh, unless you are from Pissburgh. I should have expected as much.

We didn't start this heat up of the rivalry, you did. For years the Bengals were just a team that we beat alot, and we kind of felt sorry for them, since your owner was holding your team back. Then the Bengals finally got decent, and then good, and all of a sudden Bengals fans were bragging about how great they are, and how the Steelers' dominance of the division is over, and the Steelers suck, and the Bengals are going to beat us, and chanting "Who Dey?" (seriously, why is your chant a question? You're just begging your opponents to answer it), and Chad saying that the Steelers are like black and white TV and the Bengals are color, and stuff like that. I mean I've never seen a fanbase brag so much after accomplishing so little. If the Pirates ever got good (yeah right) I'm sure we wouldn't be bragging or taunting people. At least not until we had established ourselves as legitimate consistent contenders, or won a playoff game. So what you've got here, from the Steelers point of view, is a team you've owned for the last 15 years suddenly talking s**t and trying to ursurp your division throne. So from that perspective, you have to put the upstarts in their place. And that's how you get a long dormant rivalry restarted. Sof after hearing all the "who dey" crap, when we beat you in the playoffs, we answered your question. We dey.

Now, dancing on an opponent's symbol, you just don't go there. It's like an unwritten rule. Dancing on an opponent's symbol is the most extreme kind of taunting there is IMO. Making fun of a chant? That's no different than giving an opposing player a mocking nickname, like Douchemanzadeh or Ilya Kovalf**k (1st 2 I've heard that come to mind) or you saying "pissburgh" instead of Pittsburgh. It's just a little play on words. In terms of things that offend me, "pissburgh" isn't particularly high on the list. But dancing on the symbol on the opponent's field, that's saying "We totally disrespect you, your team, your fans, your stadium, your history, your city, and everything about you. If we could, we'd spit in the face of everyone associated with your team. We think we're that great, and don't give a damn about you." It's the ultimate disrespect you can show to a team.

[F.Cleveland]

It will never cease to amaze me how Steeler fans always find ways to talk in circles so as to never criticize their own. They are so unique in that way. To imply that 'dancing on a symbol on the field' is unacceptable, yet allowing the headcoach to participate in mocking a rivals chant is o.k. Seriously, either both are bad and unacceptable or both are in the category of "who cares". You simply cannot have it both ways ... uh, unless you are from Pissburgh. I should have expected as much.

We didn't start this heat up of the rivalry, you did. For years the Bengals were just a team that we beat alot, and we kind of felt sorry for them, since your owner was holding your team back. Then the Bengals finally got decent, and then good, and all of a sudden Bengals fans were bragging about how great they are, and how the Steelers' dominance of the division is over, and the Steelers suck, and the Bengals are going to beat us, and chanting "Who Dey?" (seriously, why is your chant a question? You're just begging your opponents to answer it), and Chad saying that the Steelers are like black and white TV and the Bengals are color, and stuff like that. I mean I've never seen a fanbase brag so much after accomplishing so little. If the Pirates ever got good (yeah right) I'm sure we wouldn't be bragging or taunting people. At least not until we had established ourselves as legitimate consistent contenders, or won a playoff game. So what you've got here, from the Steelers point of view, is a team you've owned for the last 15 years suddenly talking s**t and trying to ursurp your division throne. So from that perspective, you have to put the upstarts in their place. And that's how you get a long dormant rivalry restarted. Sof after hearing all the "who dey" crap, when we beat you in the playoffs, we answered your question. We dey.

Now, dancing on an opponent's symbol, you just don't go there. It's like an unwritten rule. Dancing on an opponent's symbol is the most extreme kind of taunting there is IMO. Making fun of a chant? That's no different than giving an opposing player a mocking nickname, like Douchemanzadeh or Ilya Kovalf**k (1st 2 I've heard that come to mind) or you saying "pissburgh" instead of Pittsburgh. It's just a little play on words. In terms of things that offend me, "pissburgh" isn't particularly high on the list. But dancing on the symbol on the opponent's field, that's saying "We totally disrespect you, your team, your fans, your stadium, your history, your city, and everything about you. If we could, we'd spit in the face of everyone associated with your team. We think we're that great, and don't give a damn about you." It's the ultimate disrespect you can show to a team.

I don't take the Steelers mocking us as an insult. I take it as a compliment. If Stealers fans are so concerned as to put any kind of effort into hating us, then we must be worth it. You guys win the Superbowl and whats the first thing out of your gloating mouth? We Dey. Not we beat Indy or Seattle sucks. We Dey.

It fits a pattern of behavior. Big baby Ben cried that Odell hit him low (when he was tripped) and that any low hit is a dirty hit. Then Kimo the retard does the same thing only he wraps his arm around Palmer's leg and theres nothing wrong with that because you guys do whatever you can to beat us. It doesn't matter how or with how much class becasue the ends justify the means. Your backs are now against the wall because we CAN (at least in Urineburg) beat you and if you need to taunt us to make the hurt go away then by all means taunt away. We Dey, We Dey, We Dey.

So here's to years of you crying about us beating you and you acting like you've never been there before when you beat us.

Who Dey.

[duus]

It will never cease to amaze me how Steeler fans always find ways to talk in circles so as to never criticize their own. They are so unique in that way. To imply that 'dancing on a symbol on the field' is unacceptable, yet allowing the headcoach to participate in mocking a rivals chant is o.k. Seriously, either both are bad and unacceptable or both are in the category of "who cares". You simply cannot have it both ways ... uh, unless you are from Pissburgh. I should have expected as much.

We didn't start this heat up of the rivalry, you did. For years the Bengals were just a team that we beat alot, and we kind of felt sorry for them, since your owner was holding your team back. Then the Bengals finally got decent, and then good, and all of a sudden Bengals fans were bragging about how great they are, and how the Steelers' dominance of the division is over, and the Steelers suck, and the Bengals are going to beat us, and chanting "Who Dey?" (seriously, why is your chant a question? You're just begging your opponents to answer it), and Chad saying that the Steelers are like black and white TV and the Bengals are color, and stuff like that. I mean I've never seen a fanbase brag so much after accomplishing so little. If the Pirates ever got good (yeah right) I'm sure we wouldn't be bragging or taunting people. At least not until we had established ourselves as legitimate consistent contenders, or won a playoff game. So what you've got here, from the Steelers point of view, is a team you've owned for the last 15 years suddenly talking s**t and trying to ursurp your division throne. So from that perspective, you have to put the upstarts in their place. And that's how you get a long dormant rivalry restarted. Sof after hearing all the "who dey" crap, when we beat you in the playoffs, we answered your question. We dey.

Now, dancing on an opponent's symbol, you just don't go there. It's like an unwritten rule. Dancing on an opponent's symbol is the most extreme kind of taunting there is IMO. Making fun of a chant? That's no different than giving an opposing player a mocking nickname, like Douchemanzadeh or Ilya Kovalf**k (1st 2 I've heard that come to mind) or you saying "pissburgh" instead of Pittsburgh. It's just a little play on words. In terms of things that offend me, "pissburgh" isn't particularly high on the list. But dancing on the symbol on the opponent's field, that's saying "We totally disrespect you, your team, your fans, your stadium, your history, your city, and everything about you. If we could, we'd spit in the face of everyone associated with your team. We think we're that great, and don't give a damn about you." It's the ultimate disrespect you can show to a team.

The primary point of comparing such a post-game locker room act to a post-game middle of field act was that the head coach was involved. Anything that is to allow such an act in the locker room (i.e. your logic dance with respect to who started what first) is trumped by the fact that the head coach put himself squarely in the middle. That, sir, is something that simply does not happen. Show me a head coach that does another team's player's 'dance'. Show me another head coach that goes out of his way to find the logo on the field to do some silly performance. Find me an instance where Marvin Lewis did anything to a Urine-color towel labeled 'terrible'. Show me an instance. Got none? Thought so. If what TO did was classless ... if what the Patriots players did was classless ... then surely what Pissburgh-born Bill Cowher and the players that surrounded him did was 100% classless.

Dance around every reasonable statement and fact you want. I doubt there is any way to show a Pissburgher how obvious this is. I've said it before, and I'll say it again ... why do I bother? ... Pissburghers.

[SteelerFan87]

Show me a head coach that does another team's player's 'dance'.

Show me a coach who has to stop himself from going out and tackling a guy from the other team who's returning a blocked field goal.

Expecting Cowher to behave differently from a player isn't going to work, because Cowher still has the mindset of a player. That's why his players love him so much. If it's (relatively) ok for the players to make fun of the who dey chant, Bill Cowher is going to do it too because that's his personality. And if you're going to say he's not classy because of it, what about after that last game against the Bengals, when he went over to Marvin Lewis, kind of hugged him, and said "You're a great coach. If you ever want to talk to me you can call me any time." Clearly Cowher has alot of respect for Marvin. Just because he made fun of the who dey chant (seriously, why is your chant a question?) that makes him unclassy?

If the Bengals came up with some way of mocking the "Here we go Steelers" chant or something, I wouldn't be nearly as offended by that as if they danced on our symbol. Hell, I wasn't even as offended by Douchemanzadeh's thing with the Terrible Towel as I would be if they danced on our symbol. The two just aren't equal.

[jjakq27]

'member when this thread was about the Pats and SD?

[SteelerFan87]

'member when this thread was about the Pats and SD?

Oh wait, this thread had a topic?

[Dan2330]

The shame of this is that LT breaks the rushing touchdown record is going to be the MVP of the league and what is everyone talking about? His post game rant about opposing players mocking one of his players dances.

LT ain't no saint either though, I remember seeing him at the Bengals game hooting it up towards some of us fans in the end zone after he scored the touchdown that gave the Chargers the lead...