GapControl Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 --------------------------------------Home W/L 4/4Road W/L 4/4 W/L 7pts or less 2/5 Total Offense Rank 4 Total Defense Rank 31 Division W/L 4/2 Third Down % 35.8 Team Penalty/Game Rank 19 Turnover Margin +5 --------------------------------------these are the bengals team stats at the end of the year. the bend and eventually break apart defense finishes at 31 with only a +5 turnover margin... can`t win many close games with an unreliable pass defense.and lookey here, the bengals lose 5 of 7 games by 7 points or lower. to me, that is the key number on the season. and it means that the defense is pulling this team down... defense wins close games, you can only score so many points on offense.... you can`t blow everyone out by 2 or 3 Carson TD passes.Can we get a little ATTACK on the defensive team or what???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoDey93285 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Can someone tell me the percentage of successful third down conversions of 8 yards or more against us? I'd put Zone dollars that its its over 50, probably closer to 60%. We couldn't stop people on third down this year. Every single passing situation on third down, we dropped into a soft zone, couldn't get any pressure on the quarterback, and the opposing QB picked us apart. Every single time. It drove me nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delhole Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I'll tell you what drove me nuts: Third Down % 35.8!!!Hmmm let's take a quick look at the top 10 teams in third down conversion % this season(in order):IndianapolisDallas New OrleansNew York(Jets)San DiegoPittsburghNew EnglandPhiladelphiaBaltimoreKansas CityAll in the PLAYOFFS except, i still can't even say the name after what happened Sunday.....a very telling stat. I'm pretty sure TJ was responsible for completion of about 50% of the Bengals 3rd down conversions. Maybe a PASS CATCHING TIGHT END would help out a little bit on 3rd and long. Or maybe give Rudi a couple more opportunities on 3rd and short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Can someone tell me the percentage of successful third down conversions of 8 yards or more against us? I'd put Zone dollars that its its over 50, probably closer to 60%. We couldn't stop people on third down this year. Every single passing situation on third down, we dropped into a soft zone, couldn't get any pressure on the quarterback, and the opposing QB picked us apart. Every single time. It drove me nuts.I did break down the 3rd down conversions of the San Diego Chargers game this year... I posted it somewhere on Bengalszone. It was an interesting case in point, as I remember, since in the first half the score ended 28-7 Bengals with SD being something like 1-6 on 3rd down.... in the 2nd Half all hell broke lose and SD was 7-8 abouts.... wish I could find the file.....but in that 2nd half, where they came back mainly through the air, it showed the Bengals defense could not defend 3rd and more than 3.... every pass was completed on top of LB coverage and DB coverage. complete defensive disaster.I'll tell you what drove me nuts: Third Down % 35.8!!!Hmmm let's take a quick look at the top 10 teams in third down conversion % this season(in order):IndianapolisDallas New OrleansNew York(Jets)San DiegoPittsburghNew EnglandPhiladelphiaBaltimoreKansas CityAll in the PLAYOFFS except, i still can't even say the name after what happened Sunday.....a very telling stat. I'm pretty sure TJ was responsible for completion of about 50% of the Bengals 3rd down conversions. Maybe a PASS CATCHING TIGHT END would help out a little bit on 3rd and long. Or maybe give Rudi a couple more opportunities on 3rd and short?Another strong case for how bad losing Tab Perry and Chris Perry hurt the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 D being ranked 31 out of 32 teams says it all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Another strong case for how bad losing Tab Perry and Chris Perry hurt the offense. Agreed. From my chair Paul Daugherty's recent criticism about the Bengals offense being too predictable fell on deaf ears. Chris Perry's absence dealt a major blow to the Bengals backfield passing attack, and Tab Perry's absence destroyed the Bengals plans to use him in the pass catching TE role. Both players barely played in 2006. Making matters worse, Antonio Chatman was missing almost all year, and Kelly Washington missed about half a season. With Tab perry, Chatman, and Washington all shelved for most of the season the Bengals weren't able to use the 5-WR sets that were so common the season before. Add it all up and you've got an offense that lost much of it's recieving firepower, flexibility, and balance. Last point. I'm probably going to be alone on this one, but I think the Bengals compounded their troubles by leaning on the no-huddle scheme far too much. I realize the pressure it can put on a defense, but relying on it too much means you're throwing too much of the playbook out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Last point. I'm probably going to be alone on this one, but I think the Bengals compounded their troubles by leaning on the no-huddle scheme far too much. I realize the pressure it can put on a defense, but relying on it too much means you're throwing too much of the playbook out.I'm with you on too much no-huddle, though not so much because of playbook issues, but because it tends to maximize the time that the team's weakest unit, the defense, has to spend on the field. In the Bengals' case, a clock-chewing offense is definitely the best defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted January 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Last point. I'm probably going to be alone on this one, but I think the Bengals compounded their troubles by leaning on the no-huddle scheme far too much. I realize the pressure it can put on a defense, but relying on it too much means you're throwing too much of the playbook out.I'm with you on too much no-huddle, though not so much because of playbook issues, but because it tends to maximize the time that the team's weakest unit, the defense, has to spend on the field. In the Bengals' case, a clock-chewing offense is definitely the best defense.Failed No Huddle drives would be an interesting stat to look at. I think it is safe to compare the Jim Kelly Bills No Huddle offense to Cincy`s. The Bills always had that great defense to keep the opposing team in check, making the No Huddle much less risky. And in the case of the injuries this year, the No Huddle was doomed to be less spectacular anyway. Makes you wonder if the defense thought they were getting a fair stab at the other team, due to lack of rest and sometimes poor field position. Like I said, looking at the failed No Huddle attempts would be very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 It was twenty years ago, today....This season reminds me of the 1986 season. Boomer was in his third year as was Sam Wyche. The team set quite a few team records that year and finished 10-6 but failed to make the playoffs. They had Boomer, James Brooks, Eddie Brown and Tim McGee on offense, however their defense was not very good. Blowing a 15 point lead at Houston, a late season loss at Denver and another to the Browns doomed this team as there were only 4 playoff teams from each conference back then. Some called for the removal of Wyche. After all this team was five seasons removed from their Super Bowl team and only four years since their last playoff appearance. Paul Brown stuck with Wyche and two years later they were in the Super Bowl.I am not saying that history will repeat itself by us going to the Super Bowl but sometimes it just seems like it was not meant to be. I think this year is one of those years just like 1986. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freqman Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 I read an interesting stat that said we were 2nd to last in 3rd quarter scoring.That seems very telling of a team that gets outcoached on making adjustments at the half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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