The obligitory Tory James "Fall-Down"

[Bengalhead]

OK, first lets give the Bengals a hand for a steller defensive performance!!!

Having said that, I was tasting that second consecutive shut out like it was a juicy steak, then Tory James fell down on a TD pass for what seemes like the 34th time this year. I'll give him credit on the 4th down pass defense late in the game. That was nice. But I'm with everyone else that says its time for JJ to take his spot. Relegate Tory to the Dime role because we all know he tackles like a baby and only gets INTs when they are thrown right to him.

Once again, great overall showing by the Bengals D!!

[skyline]

Yeah, he does that a TON, doesn't he? He had a good game, overall, so I'm not going to be too hard on him, but that play killed me.

He had good coverage. Just needed to stay on his feet and try to catch the ball.

[agreen_112]

Tory played a heck of a game. Why don't you ask where your guys beloved Madieu Williams was? Where is he anytime a ball is thrown over the top. Tory's got no help whatsoever...

[Bengalhead]

Yeah, he does that a TON, doesn't he? He had a good game, overall, so I'm not going to be too hard on him, but that play killed me.

He had good coverage. Just needed to stay on his feet and try to catch the ball.

That's really the frustrating thing. He seemed to be in position to at least knock the pass down if he would have just stayed upright.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Tory played a heck of a game. Why don't you ask where your guys beloved Madieu Williams was? Where is he anytime a ball is thrown over the top. Tory's got no help whatsoever...

Maybe it wasn't his assignment? There was more than one receiver on the field on that play.

[agreen_112]

Tory played a heck of a game. Why don't you ask where your guys beloved Madieu Williams was? Where is he anytime a ball is thrown over the top. Tory's got no help whatsoever...

Maybe it wasn't his assignment? There was more than one receiver on the field on that play.

Maybe, but what about the 20 other times. Madeau is nice, but I don't think he's doing a great job.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Tory played a heck of a game. Why don't you ask where your guys beloved Madieu Williams was? Where is he anytime a ball is thrown over the top. Tory's got no help whatsoever...

Maybe it wasn't his assignment? There was more than one receiver on the field on that play.

Maybe, but what about the 20 other times. Madeau is nice, but I don't think he's doing a great job.

All the other 20 times they completed big passes last night? You mean, 0 times? If you're going to make a claim like that, back it up.

Last night there isn't anybody I can complain about. Well, maybe except Joseph's stonehands, but at least he defended a ton of passes.

[membengal]

Good lord, I simply don't understand the need for continual criticism over every little thing on this board. The single biggest defensive play last night was Tory's play on that 4th and 3, which kept it from becoming a VERY uncomfortable one possession game with too much time left.

So, what's the focus in a lot of comments last night and this morning in this thread? The one lonely TD that Baltimore generated, in garbarge time no less. On a play were there was arguably as much if not more offensive pass interference as CJ was called for. Which then morphs into a broadside at Madieu, for reasons I don't clearly understand. And then picking at Joseph not picking a ball off, despite the fact that he absolutely personified the term "shut-down" corner last night.

Frankly it gets old. And unseemly.

Edited to add: It sometimes seems like a subset of people on this board don't understand that the other team is trying its damndest to make plays too, and that not every play will work like you design because the other team is working it's ass off to make sure it doesn't.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Good lord, I simply don't understand the need for continual criticism over every little thing on this board. The single biggest defensive play last night was Tory's play on that 4th and 3, which kept it from becoming a VERY uncomfortable one possession game with too much time left.

So, what's the focus in a lot of comments last night and this morning in this thread? The one lonely TD that Baltimore generated, in garbarge time no less. On a play were there was arguably as much if not more offensive pass interference as CJ was called for. Which then morphs into a broadside at Madieu, for reasons I don't clearly understand. And then picking at Joseph not picking a ball off, despite the fact that he absolutely personified the term "shut-down" corner last night.

Frankly it gets old. And unseemly.

Hell, I was joking about Joseph. He'll start catching them eventually, and he was easily the best defensive player on the field last night.

I don't understand the Madieu attack either, but ease up. I'm assuming the guy bitching about Tory and Madieu is cranky from being up so damned early this morning.

For me personally, I can't find anything to complain about in a game I'm still calling a shutout. A TD in garbage time with OPI doesn't count in my book.

[agreen_112]

Tory played a heck of a game. Why don't you ask where your guys beloved Madieu Williams was? Where is he anytime a ball is thrown over the top. Tory's got no help whatsoever...

Maybe it wasn't his assignment? There was more than one receiver on the field on that play.

Maybe, but what about the 20 other times. Madeau is nice, but I don't think he's doing a great job.

All the other 20 times they completed big passes last night? You mean, 0 times? If you're going to make a claim like that, back it up.

Last night there isn't anybody I can complain about. Well, maybe except Joseph's stonehands, but at least he defended a ton of passes.

20 times this season...

[Bengalhead]

Good lord, I simply don't understand the need for continual criticism over every little thing on this board. The single biggest defensive play last night was Tory's play on that 4th and 3, which kept it from becoming a VERY uncomfortable one possession game with too much time left.

So, what's the focus in a lot of comments last night and this morning in this thread? The one lonely TD that Baltimore generated, in garbarge time no less. On a play were there was arguably as much if not more offensive pass interference as CJ was called for. Which then morphs into a broadside at Madieu, for reasons I don't clearly understand. And then picking at Joseph not picking a ball off, despite the fact that he absolutely personified the term "shut-down" corner last night.

Frankly it gets old. And unseemly.

Edited to add: It sometimes seems like a subset of people on this board don't understand that the other team is trying its damndest to make plays too, and that not every play will work like you design because the other team is working it's ass off to make sure it doesn't.

If you read my initial post, i made it a point to compliment the D on their play. I'm happy with the D and the win. I just felt that it would make a more powerful statement to our future opponents to record two consecutive shut outs - something the Bengals have NEVER done. It's all for fun - Besides, it would make for great smack talk fodder with the Ratbird posters.

Tory did have some nice plays last night- something I also mentioned. I'm not trying to be doom and gloom. However, I stand by my original comments that Tory falls down too often and is a soft corner. He's not useless but he's not a starting CB anymore. I take no responsibility for any comments regarding Madieu- I thought he was fine last night. Plus he's made some enormous plays for the D this year. I also do agree with the idea that JJ needs to start catching some of these pass break ups. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great corner - already much better than Tory. But, the BPNM (Big Plays Not Made) changes games. Case in point - his near miss INT against Baltimore in the first meeting would have drastically changed the game and may even have won it for Cincy. But he couldn't pull it down (granted D Mason tried to keep him from cathing it).

I think my point is still valid. I'm not worried, he'll start catching those. And when he does start picking those off, he'll be a pro bowl CB!!

[agreen_112]

Good lord, I simply don't understand the need for continual criticism over every little thing on this board. The single biggest defensive play last night was Tory's play on that 4th and 3, which kept it from becoming a VERY uncomfortable one possession game with too much time left.

So, what's the focus in a lot of comments last night and this morning in this thread? The one lonely TD that Baltimore generated, in garbarge time no less. On a play were there was arguably as much if not more offensive pass interference as CJ was called for. Which then morphs into a broadside at Madieu, for reasons I don't clearly understand. And then picking at Joseph not picking a ball off, despite the fact that he absolutely personified the term "shut-down" corner last night.

Frankly it gets old. And unseemly.

Edited to add: It sometimes seems like a subset of people on this board don't understand that the other team is trying its damndest to make plays too, and that not every play will work like you design because the other team is working it's ass off to make sure it doesn't.

I'm not really a hater. I rarely ever bash our players. When the thread starter sorta called out Tory I felt like, Hey if you wanna call Tory out, then there are others that could be mentioned as well. Our defense is improving and hopefully they can rally us into the playoffs.

[membengal]

Sorry, not in a very "ease up" mood. I think people on this board at times lose some perspective, that's all.

That was a ferociously outstanding performance from all parts of the team last night, against, frankly, a damn good Ravens team who had been ripping teams limb from limb. Complaints about the offense for not scoring more than 13 points in a monsoon against a top defense, or the special teams, or the defense for the late TD are like s**t on a sandwich this morning.

[agreen_112]

Your absolutely right, it's the last thing I wanna hear as well. Our defense looked spectacular last night and I knew that this morning someone would be calling out Tory for that fall. He played a good game.

[Dan2330]

Fell down or helped down by a push off? I mean take a look at that touchdown vs the CJ pass interference call and tell me who was pushing off more?

I thought Tory played a good game, the Bengals did their homework and knew old ass receivers in Baltimore could not beat them over the top so they were able to chuck them and keep the field shorter.

[SkinneymulleT]

If CJ committed PI, or darrel jackson did against the stealers in the superbowl, then that was a offensive PI push off!

[Bengalhead]

Your absolutely right, it's the last thing I wanna hear as well. Our defense looked spectacular last night and I knew that this morning someone would be calling out Tory for that fall. He played a good game.

I agree, the D played well. I've said it three times now. Tory played ok - the 4th down pass defense was a great play. I was poking fun at him for ruining the shut out. Geez. Don't get bent out of shape over a little razing. Besides, the guy has done the same thing multiple times before this season. It's not as if this is the first time it happened. That's why it was a funny/ironic thing to comment on.

I'll say it a 4th time. I thought the D played really well last night and I'm glad we got a nice win against a division opponent with a winning record. Is that better???

[jjakq27]

Fell down or helped down by a push off? I mean take a look at that touchdown vs the CJ pass interference call and tell me who was pushing off more?

I thought Tory played a good game, the Bengals did their homework and knew old ass receivers in Baltimore could not beat them over the top so they were able to chuck them and keep the field shorter.

The play was right in front of our seats and it looked like Mason "assisted" James to the turf. As the ball hung up and Mason waited for it, he pushed James aside with a bit of a swim move and caught the TD. The ref was there and was obviously rendered speachless or his pocket was sewn shut because he did not throw the flag. After the play, James was talking to him about it but the ref wasn't interested in listening.

I will give him credit for a some decent play especially on the fourth down pass.

[derekshank]

Madieu was in pass coverage on the other side of the field. All you have to do is watch the play to see it. The ball stays in the air forever, which gives Madieu a little time to run across the field to look like he's covering no one - but his assignment was on the other side of the field. He must have been doing a good enough job... because McNair didn't throw it in that direction.

Tory was in man coverage on Mason... and he did a damn good job on that play. I'm usually the first person to complain about Tory falling down for nor reason (because he does it a lot)... but this play doesn't apply. It was in garbage time, didn't count for much - and seemed like it was pretty clear offensive pass interference to me. I see no reason to complain about any facet of the defense this morning.

[Bengalhead]

Fell down or helped down by a push off? I mean take a look at that touchdown vs the CJ pass interference call and tell me who was pushing off more?

I thought Tory played a good game, the Bengals did their homework and knew old ass receivers in Baltimore could not beat them over the top so they were able to chuck them and keep the field shorter.

The play was right in front of our seats and it looked like Mason "assisted" James to the turf. As the ball hung up and Mason waited for it, he pushed James aside with a bit of a swim move and caught the TD. The ref was there and was obviously rendered speachless or his pocket was sewn shut because he did not throw the flag. After the play, James was talking to him about it but the ref wasn't interested in listening.

I will give him credit for a some decent play especially on the fourth down pass.

OK this is all I want to say about this. I didn't intend to start a downer type thread on the heels of a great win. My issues with Tory are that 1. He can't tackle to save his life and 2. He's way too soft. I agree that he was hassled by the WR. But for Pete's sake man! Stay on your feet. He should be physical enough to at least stay upright to battle for the ball instead of looking like he's trying to take a charge.

OK. I said what I wanted to say about Tory. We won the game, the D played really well. Lets enjoy the V and go flatten the Raiders!

[bengalboomer7]

Good lord, I simply don't understand the need for continual criticism over every little thing on this board. The single biggest defensive play last night was Tory's play on that 4th and 3, which kept it from becoming a VERY uncomfortable one possession game with too much time left.

So, what's the focus in a lot of comments last night and this morning in this thread? The one lonely TD that Baltimore generated, in garbarge time no less. On a play were there was arguably as much if not more offensive pass interference as CJ was called for. Which then morphs into a broadside at Madieu, for reasons I don't clearly understand. And then picking at Joseph not picking a ball off, despite the fact that he absolutely personified the term "shut-down" corner last night.

Frankly it gets old. And unseemly.

Edited to add: It sometimes seems like a subset of people on this board don't understand that the other team is trying its damndest to make plays too, and that not every play will work like you design because the other team is working it's ass off to make sure it doesn't.

We're on a three game winning streak and there's still more complaining threads tahn anything else. I know, for 2 1/2 quarters, I Didn't even hear them call Tory;s name(a good thing for a corner)

[UK Bengal]

Tbh tory and the rest of the D played a hell of a game but it was just obvious they were gonna switch mason over to tory's side because JJ had him in his pocket. If your play dont work against the young gun target the old guy and I agree it was a little dodgy by mason but I dont think it was enough to call PI

[Bengalhead]

Good lord, I simply don't understand the need for continual criticism over every little thing on this board. The single biggest defensive play last night was Tory's play on that 4th and 3, which kept it from becoming a VERY uncomfortable one possession game with too much time left.

So, what's the focus in a lot of comments last night and this morning in this thread? The one lonely TD that Baltimore generated, in garbarge time no less. On a play were there was arguably as much if not more offensive pass interference as CJ was called for. Which then morphs into a broadside at Madieu, for reasons I don't clearly understand. And then picking at Joseph not picking a ball off, despite the fact that he absolutely personified the term "shut-down" corner last night.

Frankly it gets old. And unseemly.

Edited to add: It sometimes seems like a subset of people on this board don't understand that the other team is trying its damndest to make plays too, and that not every play will work like you design because the other team is working it's ass off to make sure it doesn't.

We're on a three game winning streak and there's still more complaining threads tahn anything else. I know, for 2 1/2 quarters, I Didn't even hear them call Tory;s name(a good thing for a corner)

What ever, man. The thread was meant to poke some fun at Tory after a win. I now wish I didn't even start the stupid thing. People obviously can't take some innocent hazing here without getting their panties in a bunch. READ MY POSTS. I love the way the D played. (Saying this for the 5th time now)

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Fell down or helped down by a push off? I mean take a look at that touchdown vs the CJ pass interference call and tell me who was pushing off more?

I thought Tory played a good game, the Bengals did their homework and knew old ass receivers in Baltimore could not beat them over the top so they were able to chuck them and keep the field shorter.

The play was right in front of our seats and it looked like Mason "assisted" James to the turf. As the ball hung up and Mason waited for it, he pushed James aside with a bit of a swim move and caught the TD. The ref was there and was obviously rendered speachless or his pocket was sewn shut because he did not throw the flag. After the play, James was talking to him about it but the ref wasn't interested in listening.

I will give him credit for a some decent play especially on the fourth down pass.

Ref wanted to go home. Either that or he didn't feel like being a sadist to the poor shutout Ravens. Or he told Tory, you're winning the game, quitcherbitchin.

[Bengalhead]

Fell down or helped down by a push off? I mean take a look at that touchdown vs the CJ pass interference call and tell me who was pushing off more?

I thought Tory played a good game, the Bengals did their homework and knew old ass receivers in Baltimore could not beat them over the top so they were able to chuck them and keep the field shorter.

The play was right in front of our seats and it looked like Mason "assisted" James to the turf. As the ball hung up and Mason waited for it, he pushed James aside with a bit of a swim move and caught the TD. The ref was there and was obviously rendered speachless or his pocket was sewn shut because he did not throw the flag. After the play, James was talking to him about it but the ref wasn't interested in listening.

I will give him credit for a some decent play especially on the fourth down pass.

Ref wanted to go home. Either that or he didn't feel like being a sadist to the poor shutout Ravens. Or he told Tory, you're winning the game, quitcherbitchin.