found these tidbits from len pasquarelli

[BengalszoneBilly]

The way Justin is playing this year, they'd have to be crazy to let him go. Plus it would severely piss me off. I really like the guy!

[cincy9275]

i think Odell will be back depending on what he does between now and next season. if he keeps his nose clean he will be back . if not then he is done around here . besides how can everyone say Odell will not be back. when the even bigger screw up henry is still on the team. to me henry has done way more than Odell . i mean Odell missed a drug test and got pulled over for driving drunk. henry has been caught with drugs gave 2 under age girls alcohol , pulled out a gun and started shooting it at a group of people then got pulled over for driving drunk . how can you justify getting rid of the lesser problem and keeping the worst out of the 2 . to me Odell is kinda getting screwed right now. i mean he is gone for the year while henry is still playing.

as for justin and stieny . i would keep justin he is our best d-lineman , jumpy is not a every down player he is at his best doing what he is doing right now just rushing the passer. stieny is good but whitworth is a starter in this league. with levi bobbie and wille all locked up and whitworth doing a hell of a job . plus whitworth's size and athletic ability steiny is probably playing his last day in a bengal uniform . but believe if steiny and Odell are not in benagl stripe next season they both will be on someone roster as starters.

[derekshank]

i think Odell will be back depending on what he does between now and next season. if he keeps his nose clean he will be back . if not then he is done around here . besides how can everyone say Odell will not be back. when the even bigger screw up henrey is still on the team. to me henrey has done way more than Odell . i mean Odell missed a drug test and got pulled over for driving drunk. henrey has been caught with drugs gave 2 under age girls alcohol , pulled out a gun and started shooting it at a group of people then got pulled over for driving drunk . how can you justify getting rid of the lesser problem and keeping the worst out of the 2 . to me Odell is kinda getting screwed right now. i mean he is gone for the year while henrey is still playing.

as for justin and stieny . i would keep justin he is our best d-lineman , jumpy is not a every down player he is at his best doing what he is doing right now just rushing the passer. stieny is good but whitworth is a starter in this league. with levi bobbie and wille all locked up and whitworth doing a hell of a job . plus his size and athletic ability steiny is probably playing his last day in a bengal uniform . but believe if steiny and Odell are not in benagl stripe next season they both will be on someone roster as starters.

First of all... Henry didn't shoot at anyone.

They are both idiots... but Henry is allowed to play, Odell isn't. Odell has lied to Marvin, has failed to show up to meetings, and has done more than missed a single piss test. You don't get a 4 game suspension for missing a piss-test. The point is, Marvin still appears to trust Henry to some extent, but made Odell clean out his locker and go home the moment he was permitted to. We don't have all the details... but that should speak volumes.

[BengalByTheBay]

i think Odell will be back depending on what he does between now and next season. if he keeps his nose clean he will be back . if not then he is done around here . besides how can everyone say Odell will not be back. when the even bigger screw up henrey is still on the team. to me henrey has done way more than Odell . i mean Odell missed a drug test and got pulled over for driving drunk. henrey has been caught with drugs gave 2 under age girls alcohol , pulled out a gun and started shooting it at a group of people then got pulled over for driving drunk . how can you justify getting rid of the lesser problem and keeping the worst out of the 2 . to me Odell is kinda getting screwed right now. i mean he is gone for the year while henrey is still playing.

as for justin and stieny . i would keep justin he is our best d-lineman , jumpy is not a every down player he is at his best doing what he is doing right now just rushing the passer. stieny is good but whitworth is a starter in this league. with levi bobbie and wille all locked up and whitworth doing a hell of a job . plus his size and athletic ability steiny is probably playing his last day in a bengal uniform . but believe if steiny and Odell are not in benagl stripe next season they both will be on someone roster as starters.

First of all... Henry didn't shoot at anyone.

They are both idiots... but Henry is allowed to play, Odell isn't. Odell has lied to Marvin, has failed to show up to meetings, and has done more than missed a single piss test. You don't get a 4 game suspension for missing a piss-test. The point is, Marvin still appears to trust Henry to some extent, but made Odell clean out his locker and go home the moment he was permitted to. We don't have all the details... but that should speak volumes.

Exactly. The very fact that Odell has been firmly in the doghouse since training camp is precisely the reason that some of us think this is the handwriting on the wall. Put that together with these several, various, and completely different sources of reports that he's gone for good from various writers and you'll see why I think this is a fait acompli. I won't even claim to have any inside info -- I very much don't -- but I think the actions that we have seen from the team objectively point to the demise of Odell as a Bengal. Anyway, this is getting boring because none of us knows for sure and we'll only know when it happens (I predict April'ish), so I plan to move on from this particular topic.

[Tasher]

You know, one way or another this place will be very interesting next spring around and after draft time and about the time rookie and mini-camps start, cause Odell will either be here or he won't.

And the I told you so's will be flying thick with all these old threads drudged up and quoted and reincarnated and ya da ya da ya da ya da.

But until then...

...I'm going to sit back, and enjoy the show...

[derekshank]

You know, one way or another this place will be very interesting next spring around and after draft time and about the time rookie and mini-camps start, cause Odell will either be here or he won't.

And the I told you so's will be flying thick with all these old threads drudged up and quoted and reincarnated and ya da ya da ya da ya da.

I don't know. I will in no way gloat if I am right, because I still view Odell's mistakes as bad for the team, and I hope he gets it together. So I won't rejoice in my being "right" on this one. If on the other hand I happen to be wrong, and Odell is able to make an impact for the team again... I will gladly listen to those who say "I told you so" because it will still be good news. I just don't think it is realistic.

[Kazkal]

"nods" nothing wrong with being realistic,I back odell because I wanna see him turn things around....but I woulden't be suprised if hes kicked to the curb.

[cincy9275]

i think Odell will be back depending on what he does between now and next season. if he keeps his nose clean he will be back . if not then he is done around here . besides how can everyone say Odell will not be back. when the even bigger screw up henrey is still on the team. to me henrey has done way more than Odell . i mean Odell missed a drug test and got pulled over for driving drunk. henrey has been caught with drugs gave 2 under age girls alcohol , pulled out a gun and started shooting it at a group of people then got pulled over for driving drunk . how can you justify getting rid of the lesser problem and keeping the worst out of the 2 . to me Odell is kinda getting screwed right now. i mean he is gone for the year while henrey is still playing.

as for justin and stieny . i would keep justin he is our best d-lineman , jumpy is not a every down player he is at his best doing what he is doing right now just rushing the passer. stieny is good but whitworth is a starter in this league. with levi bobbie and wille all locked up and whitworth doing a hell of a job . plus his size and athletic ability steiny is probably playing his last day in a bengal uniform . but believe if steiny and Odell are not in benagl stripe next season they both will be on someone roster as starters.

First of all... Henry didn't shoot at anyone.

They are both idiots... but Henry is allowed to play, Odell isn't. Odell has lied to Marvin, has failed to show up to meetings, and has done more than missed a single piss test. You don't get a 4 game suspension for missing a piss-test. The point is, Marvin still appears to trust Henry to some extent, but made Odell clean out his locker and go home the moment he was permitted to. We don't have all the details... but that should speak volumes.

ok i was wrong henry waved the gun at a group of people , he also was caught with 2 bags of weed. odell failed a drug test prior to missing one , is that worst than getting busted with weed? you don't think henry has told marvin that he would not get in any more trouble after the first time . then goes on to get in trouble 3 more times and that does not include henry and odell's night out . is that not telling marvin a lie? i still don't see how anyone can justify getting rid of one and not the other.

[BengalByTheBay]

ok i was wrong henry waved the gun at a group of people , he also was caught with 2 bags of weed. odell failed a drug test prior to missing one , is that worst than getting busted with weed? you don't think henry has told marvin that he would not get in any more trouble after the first time . then goes on to get in trouble 3 more times and that does not include henry and odell's night out . is that not telling marvin a lie? i still don't see how anyone can justify getting rid of one and not the other.

Based on everything I know, I can't see much difference between the two either -- other than the obvious difference in length of suspensions. But that's kinda the point -- if they're willing to keep trying with Henry and they appear to have pulled the plug on Odell doesn't that mean that there's something we just don't know. As for which arrests/transgressions are worse than another, I don't think there's any answer to that other than each person's opinion. Me, I would rather Henry be at home on his couch blowing blunts than out at TGI-McScratchy's drinking and jumping in a car. That's just me though.

[derekshank]

ok i was wrong henry waved the gun at a group of people , he also was caught with 2 bags of weed. odell failed a drug test prior to missing one , is that worst than getting busted with weed? you don't think henry has told marvin that he would not get in any more trouble after the first time . then goes on to get in trouble 3 more times and that does not include henry and odell's night out . is that not telling marvin a lie? i still don't see how anyone can justify getting rid of one and not the other.

Based on everything I know, I can't see much difference between the two either -- other than the obvious difference in length of suspensions. But that's kinda the point -- if they're willing to keep trying with Henry and they appear to have pulled the plug on Odell doesn't that mean that there's something we just don't know. As for which arrests/transgressions are worse than another, I don't think there's any answer to that other than each person's opinion. Me, I would rather Henry be at home on his couch blowing blunts than out at TGI-McScratchy's drinking and jumping in a car. That's just me though.

That's kind of the point though... it's going based on what we know. There is clearly something going on with Odell that we don't know. Otherwise Marvin wouldn't have reacted the way he did. And I don't buy that it was just because Carson wanted Henry back. Do you really think that there were no defensive players that would have liked Odell back?

Something is happening beneath the surface that is more than meets the eye. Marvin is clearly frustrated with Henry, but is still using him. The moment Odell was handed down discipline, he was moved to 4th string. You don't have this much of a double-standard because the QB likes the guy. There is something else happening here.

[Kazkal]

Me, I would rather Henry be at home on his couch blowing blunts than out at TGI-McScratchy's drinking and jumping in a car. That's just me though.

Woulden't happen sense he'd be signed the minute we cut him

[BengalByTheBay]

Me, I would rather Henry be at home on his couch blowing blunts than out at TGI-McScratchy's drinking and jumping in a car. That's just me though.

Woulden't happen sense he'd be signed the minute we cut him

I'm not suggesting we cut him, I'm just saying if he has to get high on his own time I'd rather he be charging up a mellow rather than puking out of a potentially-deadly hunk of metal. In other words, I have absolutely no problem with Henry getting stoned as long as he stays out of trouble and doesn't test positive.

[Kazkal]

oh ok

[jjakq27]

Because of the labor agreement and their drug policy, I don't think you can just cut someone unless it is for a "football" related reason.

Odell had a drug problem (Strike 1) then missed/failed a test (Strike 2) then got busted for the DUI (Strike 3). If he messes up again then he is gone for good I believe (Strike 4). And again it is all controlled by the NFL league office.

In Chris Henry's case, I am not sure how they distinguish between drugs (pot) and poor behavior (gun issue and then driving with Odell) but I don't believe the two are equal as nutty as it may seem. Marvin was able to "sit" Chris Henry for the one game (NE) which must be allowed by the league but I think his two game suspension was in response to the gun thing and that came from the league. I assume he is in the leagues drug treatment program and will probably miss 4 games if he ever fails a drug test.

When Roger Godell was in town a few weeks ago, he said the league manages the penalties so they are fair and equal throughout the league and that the teams don't have to be the bad guys by suspending the player.

So Marvin really couldn't do anything if he wanted to. Look at the TO fiasco last year. The league said the Eagles could only suspend him for four games without pay and that was it. But I think he was made inactive the rest of the year but still got payed.

[derekshank]

Because of the labor agreement and their drug policy, I don't think you can just cut someone unless it is for a "football" related reason.

So Marvin really couldn't do anything if he wanted to. Look at the TO fiasco last year. The league said the Eagles could only suspend him for four games without pay and that was it. But I think he was made inactive the rest of the year but still got payed.

Mostly true... but not entirely. Every year players with great ability are cut for cap reasons. You simply must do it at the appropriate time.

The Eagles were able to part ways with T.O., and I don't think you'll hear anyone say that it was for "football" reasons. It was because he wasn't worth the headache anymore. The Bengals are in a situation right now where they don't have to worry about paying him this year, because he's been suspended... and at the appropriate time next year will have the ability to decide they don't want to put up with him anymore.

He isn't being cut right now, because they aren't able to. But I still predict that the moment they are permitted to, he will be jobless.

On the other hand... I'm not sure what it will look like next year, but this year we still owe him quite a bit of his signing bonus, and there would be $1.36 mil of dead cap space.

Hopefully if Marvin and company have already decided to part ways with him, the cap situation will either improve in his specific case next year, or else the league decides not to reinstate him. Perhaps that will have a lot more to do with the situation than I think... but it is still my opinion that Marvin wants nothing to do with him.

[Kazkal]

Mostly true... but not entirely. Every year players with great ability are cut for cap reasons. You simply must do it at the appropriate time.

yup which would be cut down days in camp.