Kazkal Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 If we can Keep 2 studs at the other 2 LB postions and fix our line...do you think landon could be our WLB? or do think wanna see spot upgraded through the draft and landon remain "depth guy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 If we can Keep 2 studs at the other 2 LB postions and fix our line...do you think landon could be our WLB? or do think wanna see spot upgraded through the draft and landon remain "depth guy".You know, it's really going to depend a lot on this offseason, with respect to two questions: 1) Does Pollack's neck heal? and 2) Can Odell lay off the crack? Also possibly a third and fourth, namely how much do Jeanty and Brooks improve this year?For next year, if worst came to worst, a LB corps of Brooks, Jeanty, and Simmons might not be all that bad, with Landon sharing a lot of time at either WLB and/or MLB. I think there's a very real chance that both Brooks and Jeanty are the real deal. We may have the pleasure of looking back at Jeanty as a big steal. If you look at the path this guy's taken it's a little non-traditional, but I think he's a big talent - and a guy you're never going to have to worry about doing stupid crap, unless I'm badly fooled.Although if both Pollack and Odell flame out, the draft would have to contain at least 1 LB, maybe 2, just to address depth. And it would have to be a first-day pick, I'd say.I guess the answer to your question is ultimately that, if Landon is your backup, you must be doing pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 This probably wouldn't be that bad of a change. I think LJ can play the position well but he just doesn't have that extra umphhh that your great LB's have. I do not see Pollack returning to play ever again. Your talking about a broken neck here. I wish him well and hope that the neck can heal on its own, but just dont' see him risking being paralyzed for the rest of his life.We've got a 1st day CB already, I would love to see us use our 1st pick in '07 on a LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I think this thread was started because of something I said to Kaz in the draft forum. I want the Bengals to use their 1st round pick on a LB, even if Pollack does come back.Landon is a good LB. He does his job, he doesn't make mistakes. But he also doesn't make really big plays. I like him because he's a good back-up and fill in at all 3 LB positions, so I want to re-sign him, but I'd prefer we get a higher impact OLB to be the future starter.Simmons contract is up in '08, and he'll be in his 11th season. I think Brooks is the real deal. If Pollack doesn't come back, Jeanty looks to be at least decent, if not above average. But I'm just not all that content with Landon being the starter, so if you can land a Paul Posluszny in the draft... having him, Brooks, and Pollack/Jeanty would be a pretty formidable set of LB's. The whole “soft” or “finesse” thing would go out the window, because we’d have 3 LB’s and 2 Safeties that make a living on hitting really hard. That’s what I’m looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 For next year, if worst came to worst, a LB corps of Brooks, Jeanty, and Simmons might not be all that bad, with Landon sharing a lot of time at either WLB and/or MLB. I think there's a very real chance that both Brooks and Jeanty are the real deal. We may have the pleasure of looking back at Jeanty as a big steal. If you look at the path this guy's taken it's a little non-traditional, but I think he's a big talent - and a guy you're never going to have to worry about doing stupid crap, unless I'm badly fooled.Although if both Pollack and Odell flame out, the draft would have to contain at least 1 LB, maybe 2, just to address depth. And it would have to be a first-day pick, I'd say.I guess the answer to your question is ultimately that, if Landon is your backup, you must be doing pretty good.I agree with this pretty much completely. I just wanted to add that Jeanty is still as young as the guys we drafted this year. Good upside and plenty of tread left on the tires. Not only am I glad he made the squad, looking at him physically lining up next to Brooks makes for a pretty intimidating couple of LBs that can get after a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 For next year, if worst came to worst, a LB corps of Brooks, Jeanty, and Simmons might not be all that bad, with Landon sharing a lot of time at either WLB and/or MLB. I think there's a very real chance that both Brooks and Jeanty are the real deal. We may have the pleasure of looking back at Jeanty as a big steal. If you look at the path this guy's taken it's a little non-traditional, but I think he's a big talent - and a guy you're never going to have to worry about doing stupid crap, unless I'm badly fooled.Although if both Pollack and Odell flame out, the draft would have to contain at least 1 LB, maybe 2, just to address depth. And it would have to be a first-day pick, I'd say.I guess the answer to your question is ultimately that, if Landon is your backup, you must be doing pretty good.I agree with this pretty much completely. I just wanted to add that Jeanty is still as young as the guys we drafted this year. Good upside and plenty of tread left on the tires. Not only am I glad he made the squad, looking at him physically lining up next to Brooks makes for a pretty intimidating couple of LBs that can get after a QB.Yep. That's why the Pollack injury isn't completely devastating. But if Landon is our starting OLB in the future, we still need to assess depth at LB. We might as well draft a guy who can be better than Landon, and have him be depth and get playing time at all 3 positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hehe it was because of what you said derek,that and alot of people thought he would be Bsimmons replacement at the start of the season.But I agree draft a playmaker and just keep landon doing what he does best and backup all 3 spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasher Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Yeah, I know, I know, everything he did for us as a starter his rookie year, ya da ya da ya da...BUT, go read Pasqarelli's article on Speed on ESPN...http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=2630486While I LOVE Landon, he is 1. TOO SMALL and 2. TOO SLOW! Period. He is great depth. Having said that, he is still (considering everyone on the CURRENT roster) one of our three best LBs, so for now he starts!Knock their teeth out, Landon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Landon is probably one of the best backup linebackers in the league. I think he deserves the praise that many people give KK instead. I don't think he's a longterm answer as a starter though.Odell is such a huge question mark that I won't even address his situation. If Brooks can continue playing like he did last week, then that won't matter anyways. Pollack should be fine by next year too.I'm all for spending a first round pick on a WSLB. I'm a Brian Simmons fan, but he might be the Tory James of 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I'm all for spending a first round pick on a WSLB. I'm a Brian Simmons fan, but he might be the Tory James of 2007.Funny, I'm all for spending the 1st pick on the best player available, thats fits a position we could use help in. Its ridiculous at this point when people say "we need a LB, or TE, or DT" in the first round, when at this point there are 2 things that NOBODY is sure of 1) Where we will be picking in the 1st round and 2) What players at certain positions, like LB,TE,DT,OL, will be worthy of the selection, or even have the ability to make the transition from college to the Pro's and excell at a higher level against better competition. Every year in the first round there are AT LEAST 5-10 BUSTS, then another 5-10 players who will be just OK, Honestly how many "Impact Players" come out of the First Round.... few....for every good pick....you can probably name at least 5 "Busts" who were OVER-HYPED or chosen by a team "Reaching" just to fill a specific position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I'm all for spending a first round pick on a WSLB. I'm a Brian Simmons fan, but he might be the Tory James of 2007.Funny, I'm all for spending the 1st pick on the best player available, thats fits a position we could use help in. Its ridiculous at this point when people say "we need a LB, or TE, or DT" in the first round, when at this point there are 2 things that NOBODY is sure of 1) Where we will be picking in the 1st round and 2) What players at certain positions, like LB,TE,DT,OL, will be worthy of the selection, or even have the ability to make the transition from college to the Pro's and excell at a higher level against better competition. Every year in the first round there are AT LEAST 5-10 BUSTS, then another 5-10 players who will be just OK, Honestly how many "Impact Players" come out of the First Round.... few....for every good pick....you can probably name at least 5 "Busts" who were OVER-HYPED or chosen by a team "Reaching" just to fill a specific position. You're arguing with something I never said, spanky. I said I'd be in favor of picking up a linebacker in the first round, but never said that's the ONLY position I want. There are definitely a billion possibilities at this point, that's stating the obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasher Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 There are definitely a billion possibilities at this point, that's stating the obvious.Well, there are 241 College football teams listed in the Sagarin Rankingshttp://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htmAnd if (using a few mild assumptions for estimation purposes, since I am NOT going to count every single college roster... ) we say that every college has a roster of 100 players (jersey # 1-100) and each is evenly divided by RS Frosh, Frosh, Soph, Junior, Senior, then there are 20 players in each class.So 241X100 = 24,100 college FB athletes (so already <Billion options But if we further limit it to draft eligible players (Juniors and Seniors and Soph w/3 yrs) that would be 60 players p/school, so 241X60 = 14,460; so our pool is still diminishing...Yet not all Soph and Junior eligble players will declare, so lets assume 10% of Sophs and 20% of juniors will declare (100% of Seniors, obviously) will give us 2 soph, 4 juniors and 20 seniors so we get 241X26 = 6,266 players to be evaluated for the draft.Voila! Oh, and I forgot to mention that there are only 7 rounds and 32 teams (with compensatory picks added in) so roughly 250-260 total picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Landon would look at lot better with better players in the LB corp. He has the skills to be a very solid coverage WSLB. But with two other inexperienced or back-back-back ups standing next to him, he of course gets exposed a tad. i think he's a solid starter, but definitely needs some help around him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Odell is such a huge question mark that I won't even address his situation. If Brooks can continue playing like he did last week, then that won't matter anyways. Pollack should be fine by next year too.actually it still does kinda matter.... sense could move odell to wlb or if we do go 3-4 need another insider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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