duus Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 Just days before our QB makes his first on-field game appearance since 'the accident', I want to mention how the obvious outward attempt to remove any level of responsibility from Kimo just continues to bug me. Was it an accident? I don't know, surely may have been. The point is that I am not one that is going to defintively say it was intentional to hurt, but I likewise refuse to say there was nothing Kimo could have done (or should have done) differently from a professional perspective. Why keep bringing this up? I'd let it rest except I continue to hear high-profile guys comment on this 'accident' in such a way as to make it sound like Kimo had his back to Carson and someone tripped him into him or something. Just moments ago Howie Long on Mike & Mike referred to the hit as "fell on him inadvertently". Is that really what happened? Maybe I watched some different game and viewed different video/pictures. Trust me on this ... if all that had happened was that Kimo "fell on him inadvertently" then I don't think the knee would have ripped apart as it did. Let's face it, Kimo was going for the tackle as he should, he was partially blocked to the ground toward Carson. He then proceeded to wrap his arm around Carson's leg (with his forearm at the knee) and pull it. Is that with intention to harm? I still doubt it, and don't necessarily think he meant to rip his knee apart. BUT HE DIDN'T FALL INTO HIM INADVERTENTLY! This is what continues to get me. The continued attempt to remove absolutely any level of responsibility from Kimo for this. You would think it was the most freak accident ever in sports sometimes.OK ... I feel better. I am expecting this will be the last this is discussed as Monday will bring us back to a place where we simply forget about the past. For those of you who want to blast me for bringing up an old topic, or even think that I have sour grapes, well ... please try to understand that I get bomb-barded with this around Pissburgh continually. Sometimes I just need to put my feelings in text on this board, and all is better.Looking forward to our turn this year!Go Bengals! Quote
ArmyBengal Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 I understand the topic, but have moved on in a positive direction and just look forward to a healthy Carson. To quote a Steelers fan who found out Carson was going to be ready for the season opener..."F*CK"WHODEY !!! Quote
duus Posted August 25, 2006 Author Report Posted August 25, 2006 I understand the topic, but have moved on in a positive direction and just look forward to a healthy Carson. To quote a Steelers fan who found out Carson was going to be ready for the season opener..."F*CK"WHODEY !!!Very nice. I love to hear about their small moments of sanity. Be afraid. Be very afraid. All is well, and I look forward to week 3!!! Quote
bengal4life Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 I understand the topic, but have moved on in a positive direction and just look forward to a healthy Carson. To quote a Steelers fan who found out Carson was going to be ready for the season opener..."F*CK"WHODEY !!!I love it. Quote
HairOnFire Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 I'd let it rest except I continue to hear high-profile guys comment on this 'accident' in such a way as to make it sound like Kimo had his back to Carson and someone tripped him into him or something. Just moments ago Howie Long on Mike & Mike referred to the hit as "fell on him inadvertently". Is that really what happened? Ex-Ram DT DeMarco Farr made an interesting comment several weeks ago about whether Kimo deliberately intended to cause injury to Palmer. The sorta short version goes like this. Farr insisted that watching replays of the hit only serves to confuse the matter. The best way to determine if any player is attempting to cause an injury, and Farr insists that it happens in the NFL all the time, is to examine the circumstances surrounding the hit. For example, is there bad blood between the two players or does the player delivering the blow have something substantial to gain. Farr's conclusion? Circumstances alone make it clear that the hit was dirty. Kimo and the Steelers simply had too much to gain for anyone to believe that any of their players would pass up any opportunity to hit late, hit low, or hit dirty intentionaly. Farr insisted that players routinely objectify opposing players to such a degree that most aren't given normal levels of respect. In fact, that happens most often only when the opposing players are friends off the field. (For example, a DeAngelo Hall wouldn't deliberately injure Chad Johnson no matter how much smack Chad talked. But a rookie SS most definately would if sufficently motivated.) As the Bengals QB, Palmer would have had a bullseye painted on his chest, and knees, all week long by nearly every Steeler defender. "Until the game is over defensive players look at guys like that as being less than human." Farr claimed further that it's almost a given that Steeler coaches weren't involved....but they didn't need to be. Players are aware of the game circumstances and they know that if they're to advance in the playoffs...pocketing additional game checks...they need to take advantage of every opportunity that is presented, including injuring an opposing player that is standing in their way. Farr insisted that Kimo probably hadn't attempted to severly injure Palmer...only to hit him anyway he could every opportunity he got. Cheap shots and late hits were almost certainly part of the bargain. "You want to let a guy know you're going to be there all game long, and you can't do that by passing up shots that are borderline." Farr ended the rant by pointing out just how rare the type of hit Kimo delivered really is. He mocked the idea that a prone player could expect to bring down a QB normally using the type of shoulder drive Kimo used. "It's not an attempted tackle. It's just a hit." Finally, Farr's radio show co-host, Gary Miller, argued that DeMarco's rant sounded exactly what some fan might claim after a favorite player had been injured under suspicous circumstances. Farr replied that fans aren't stupid, and their response is only natural due to the circumstances involved. "It's like when someone is shot while attempting to escape. You know when that explanation is reasonable and when it isn't. Circumstances alone dictate your reaction." With that, Farr's rant had apparently come full circle and they shut it down, but only after Gary Miller explained that wouldn't take listener calls on the subject due to the high probability that things would quickly spiral out of control. Quote
ArmyBengal Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 Nice write up Hair !!!WHODEY !!! Quote
HairOnFire Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 Nice write up Hair !!! It's sorta funny, but I decided not to pass along Farr's remarks immediately after listening to his show precisely for the reasons others have mentioned. Time to move on, we've beaten this subject to death, etc. That said, I mention them now only in response to the question Duus asked about the way the hit was being discussed in the media. Simply put, Howie Long's "It was an accident" rant isn't the only version of the story being told, and I'll mention again that DeMarco Farr, like Howie Long, was an NFL player. In fact, as an ex-player/media talking head he's probably more outspoken and willing to talk about the real NFL than the image concerned Long has ever been. Quote
Mosca Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 Most Steelers fans that I know want Palmer back and healthy. Several reasons:1) You fight with the colors, not the man. He's a good guy, a tough competitor, a young guy with a future as one of the all time greats, if he can recover.2) You always want to play the other guy when he's at his best. Why? Because it's sweeter when you win, and it doesn't feel like you screwed up if you lose; the other guy beat you sure, but it's not like you rolled over and died; he beat you, and there's another game coming later to get even.3) Good football. Nothin' like the best vs the best. I go back to the '70s (and '60s, yikes) when the Steelers and Raiders played some of the greatest games ever. I hated the hell out of the Raiders, but I wanted them to be great. Because there's nothing like under 2 minutes, holding the ball, down by 4 on your own 32 yard line, and both teams are 11-3....Guys and gals, we have some great times ahead of us over the next half a dozen years or so. Get yer defensive act together, yer gonna need it. Quote
ArmyBengal Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 Mosca, first welcome to the board !!! Next, I have yet to run into many Steelers fans (I know a bunch) who actually want Carson back on the field. They would rather win easy than earn a hard fought game. Call it the nature of their fanbase, but winning simple seems more important. Like I said in another thread... To quote a Steelers fan who found out Carson would be ready for the season opener..."F*CK" !!!WHODEY !!! Quote
Stripes Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 I still think it was unintentional. Just sounds like an excuse, honestly. Bitterness be damned, we're better than them this season, just like we were last year.-edit- Woah, this was the 100,000th post in the Bengals forum. Quote
Dan2330 Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 I fully expect this will be a hot topic on Monday Night Countdown before the game against the Packers. I was at a Sports Bar tonight and it seemed that Sports Center and FOX were both showing a lot about Carson, for obvious reasons but I expect in the hour pre-game show that ESPN is doing they will touch on this subject again. Quote
Spain Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 you cant get over a cheap shot, you retaliate or let them keep doing it! Quote
suwanee88 Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 you cant get over a cheap shot, you retaliate or let them keep doing it!Shut the hell up bitches before I break his other knee...........LoveKiller VonOlhoeffenSB Champs! Quote
NYBengalfan Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 wow we got an early troll this morning!! Go ride a Bike!!!!! Quote
Mosca Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 Well, I can say I want him back. And MOST of the people at Steelers Forum respect the guy and want him back. Of course there are those who see cartoon representations of cities rather than real people, on both sides, but anyone who realizes that our fandom comes second to someone else's real life wants the guy to have a complete recovery.Cheers,Tom Quote
semiotter Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 you cant get over a cheap shot, you retaliate or let them keep doing it!Shut the hell up bitches before I break his other knee...........LoveKiller VonOlhoeffenSB Champs!Earth to Mod boot this mfer Quote
cincy9275 Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 all you have to do is watch the replay . it is clearly evident that kimo had nothing but bad intentions we he hit palmer . you do not lunge when you are falling at any players knees then wrap your arm around it and try to drive it in to the ground . i mean even little ben said in his own words any time you go low on a qb your intentions are not good . there is no doubt in my mind that what kimo did was in direct retaliation for there claim that thurman tried to hurt ben . the nfl will never admitt that what kimo did was a cheap shot but when they change a rule to try prevent it from happening again that alone is a admission of guilt in my eyes . i know it is over and we should move but it still pisses me off til this day that they had to do something that low to beat us . Quote
KoKaine777 Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 It was a dirty hit. Kimo was rewarded, then got out of dodge. In America we often close our eyes so we don't see what is in front of us. Some believe it's better to not know the truth.Passive people will always get taking advantage of, as they should. No room for the weak. Quote
aaronburr Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 You know how Carson keeps saying he needs to overcome mental barriers in order to fully recover and become the QB he needs to be? We could all take a lesson from that. Quote
ArmyBengal Posted August 27, 2006 Report Posted August 27, 2006 Personally, I think the hit was AT LEAST questionable, but I just don't care anymore. He doesn't play for them anymore and we are a better team than the Steelers. Period...WHODEY !!! Quote
bengalbutch Posted August 27, 2006 Report Posted August 27, 2006 For those sissies who say get over it, screw you !! Some like to take a stand for what is right!! Crush the Stealers !! Pay back is a bitch ! Quote
ArmyBengal Posted August 27, 2006 Report Posted August 27, 2006 For all those who enjoy living in the past, screw you !!! Some like to move on with their lives !!! Crush the Steelers !!! Payback is a bitch when we spank that ass !!!WHODEY !!! Quote
bengalbutch Posted August 27, 2006 Report Posted August 27, 2006 For all those who enjoy living in the past, screw you !!If you can forget that cheap shot, you are not a man !!! In the past my ASS !!! Grow a set and screw you !!!!If someone hits me, I'm going to hit them back and then kick their ribs in !! Quote
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