BZBot Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 How could anyone defend Mike Brown? He's the guy who hired Dave Shula...he's the guy who drafted Dan Wilkenson number one overall...he's the guy who voted against the current CBA!! But he's also the guy who kept the Bengals in Cincinnati.Source: http://www.bengalszone.com/article.php?sid=423 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 The Bengals never left town, that is a great reason to defend Mike Brown. PBS is another great reason to stand behind him. His decisions for the last 4 years have been great also. I have in the past regretted that he was owner of the team that I root for, but he has his good and bad sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 The Bengals never left town, that is a great reason to defend Mike Brown. PBS is another great reason to stand behind him. His decisions for the last 4 years have been great also. I have in the past regretted that he was owner of the team that I root for, but he has his good and bad sides.That is something that gets lost sometimes (like during a 15-yr losing streak). Mike Brown is honest. He's loyal. He's dedicated to Cincinnati. But......it's just that he's about as qualified to run an NFL team (from a personnel standpoint) as my cat. Fortunately, he finally came to realize this and turned over control to a real coach (Marvin). Compare that to previous moves - I have yet to understand how one hires a WR coach as a head coach. Or how you promote from within on a 3-13 (I think?) team. Combining those two things to hire Dave Shula was one of the worst hires I have ever seen.One thing I don't understand is some people nail him for voting against the CBA. Well, it was a hastily put together agreement that no one on either side really understood. Also, the owners got bent over. No one wants labor strife, but I don't think Mike should be blamed for casting his no vote as a protest against the process, if nothing else. I've always thought him incompetent but I think I might have done the same thing in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Mike Brown's biggest fault is that he sees his business not as a big company like other owners, but as a family business. His employees are like family to him, and deciding who to keep and who to hire for a long time was a display of virtual nepotism.He learned from his mistakes and he has moved on. It's time for the fans to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalTillIDie Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Paul Brown and his family built this franchise with not anywhere near the money that other franchises had at that time which required him to get financial support from other sources e.g., John Sawyer. This team did not have deep pockets and it required them to run it with both eyes always on the bottom line and keeping in mine that it is the only business his family is in. When Paul decided to make the move to take total control of the franchise it required them to buy out Sawyer and whoever else had stock in the club, which cost a lot of money and again they didn't have the deep pockets of a lot of the other clubs. No question the franchise value has always increased and it is worth many multiples of what Paul originally paid but it is just within the last 10 years if not less that they have started to have the deeper pockets like a lot of the other teams. No question Mike has made some boneheaded decisions since his father past away but it looks like the decision made among the family to hire ML has got to rank as probably one of the best if not the best in the franchise's history. The Browns and the franchise are starting to reach the same financial level as the Rooney's and the Steelers which as franchises and families are very similar and why they seem to be pretty close friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 MB has also brought in some front office personnel that have been very good for the organization. As for the CBA, that was his way of looking out for the small market team and trying to look out for the players of those teams. Im sure if the other small market owners put the same time into it, instead of just following the herd, they might vote differently. You might also say, when the small market teams start leaving town, they have no one to blame but themselves. MB was (and may still be an idiot) however, IF EVERYTHING BAD WAS HIS FAULT, DOESN"T HE DESERVE CREDIT FOR THE GOOD ?? So what if other have more power and more decision making abilities ?? Who hired them ?? That's what I thought, so move off his nuts already !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrandom42 Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 How could anyone defend Mike Brown? He's the guy who hired Dave Shula...he's the guy who drafted Dan Wilkenson number one overall...he's the guy who voted against the current CBA!! But he's also the guy who kept the Bengals in Cincinnati.Source: http://www.bengalszone.com/article.php?sid=423It's a LOT more difficult defending Bill Bidwell and what he's done to the Cardinals. Has he finally turned the corner when he hired Dennis Green? He's the owner who almost torpedoed Don Coryell's coaching career. The Cardinals have had ONE playoff appearance since 1987, and NO Super Bowl or NFL Championship appearances since 1947! And the year they won the title in 1947, they weren't even the most poplular football team in Chicago! Now THAT'S suffering for the fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 So BZ so far has brought up forgiving Chris Henry for being a criminal derelict and praising Mike Brown for the worst run in pro sports history, despite a loyal fan base throughout that has made him a multi-millionaire, despite spending less on Free Agency than any other team over those years combined? (and not only drafting Wilkinson, but Akili Smith and David Klingler in the top 5 over-all).No thanks!Brown simply did what a hard nosed, greedy businessman would've done - held the town hostage until he got his sweetheart deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 MB changed for one reason. The fans were no longer going to buy the crap he was selling. Forgive me if I don't join the love fest. Other than Bidwell, I would still rather have any other NFL Owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW316 Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Even Tom Benson?I don't know if MB deserves a lovefest...but he ain't as bad as advertised. Also, he does seem to take into acount the best business pratcies of the league, as opposed to someone like Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones, who are doing there best to make the NFL like baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 So BZ so far has brought up forgiving Chris Henry for being a criminal derelict and praising Mike Brown for the worst run in pro sports history, despite a loyal fan base throughout that has made him a multi-millionaire, despite spending less on Free Agency than any other team over those years combined? (and not only drafting Wilkinson, but Akili Smith and David Klingler in the top 5 over-all).No thanks!Brown simply did what a hard nosed, greedy businessman would've done - held the town hostage until he got his sweetheart deal.Whatever. Shall we hold you responsible for wetting your bed when you were younger to this day?ShulaSteakhouse peed himself when he was 2! He probably shoplifted as a child and lied to his parents too. Never forgive, never forget!The Bengals are not the worst run team in pro sports history. The Cardinals, Saints, and Browns are as bad if not worse. He didn't spend less than any other team on free agency either. We have always been at the cap. The difference is, Mike Brown signed the free agents he had drafted. Why? Loyalty.No go pee yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Even Tom Benson?I don't know if MB deserves a lovefest...but he ain't as bad as advertised. Also, he does seem to take into acount the best business pratcies of the league, as opposed to someone like Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones, who are doing there best to make the NFL like baseball.That's a good point. And it's important to separate Mike the Owner from Mike the GM. Mike sucks as a GM. Terrible. Simply does not have his father's football instincts. However, let's not forget that the game changed (Free Agency, salary cap among other things) soon after the time that Paul died. So it's possible that Paul would have had trouble as a GM in this new age. In any event, Mike found himself over his head running the team on his own in a quickly changing league, and couldn't handle it. It took him too long to realize this, but he finally did. Good for him, good for us.Mike the Owner is a much better guy. He's kind, ethical, loyal. He's been around long enough (and his team is good enough now) that he can play the "Elder Statesman" role. I'd rather have him than a guy like Dan Snyder or Marc Cuban. I'd probably take him over a lot of the other new owners. Or Denise York. Or Tom Benson. Or Red McCombs when he owned the Vikes. Or Zygi who now owns the Vikes.Now if he'd only say "enough with the felons..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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