No Retraction?

[Stripes]

There are bad apples in every batch. You guys still can't grasp that concept, can you? Besides, those claims have not been substatiated yet. At least I can acknowledge that there are tons of idiot Steelers fans who take things too far. You guys seem to feel that your fans are above such things. Just a bunch of innocent fans who can do no wrong. Right.

There is no need to be a spinmeister, CT. I, as well as others, have quoted your posts specifically and stated the exact things you accuse us of ignoring. If you aren't going to acknowledge that, then what can we do?

[jjakq27]

Liar. Hypocrite. Fake.

You forgot poser.

[duus]

Once again my 15 year-old claim shows itself true: It is an absolute waste of time of fans everywhere to get into a discussion with a Steeler fan and attempt to include any amount of logic and truth. Just grin, walk away, and enjoy the peace of knowing that they will continue to wade in the ignorance that is a Steeler fan.

Why is it that I have friends that are Niners fans, Cowboys fans, Rams fans, Broncos fans, Colts fans, Titans fans, on and on and on ... and even ... ugh ... Browns fans. But ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THEM fall into this arrogant, pompous, punk, jerk area. I get into great conversations with these guys. We disagree more than not. But I call them my friends. Steeler fans? No way. If that is what you are, then that's all I need to know. They refuse to accept anyone who is not part of them ... so I refuse to acknowledge they are anything above the dung in the field. When I meet one that doesn't think they are collectively better than every other fanbase, then I MIGHT consider otherwise. Not going to happen. They will never let me down.

[CT Stiller]

Yeah, well that might have something to do with you being a Bengals fan who lives in Pittsburgh. I grew up in the suburbs of New York City and still live in the metro area. I've always had a hatred for all things Giants and Yankees and I'm not even a fan of any of their rivals. It's a mind set, all in our heads. Yankees fans are no worse than any other fans but when they were winning World Series left and right I couldn't stand them or their fans. If I were a Red Sox or Orioles fan I would have hated them even more.

It's not that Steelers fans are any worse than any other teams' fans, it your perception of the fans that makes you believe we're the worst. It's all in your head.

Once again my 15 year-old claim shows itself true: It is an absolute waste of time of fans everywhere to get into a discussion with a Steeler fan and attempt to include any amount of logic and truth. Just grin, walk away, and enjoy the peace of knowing that they will continue to wade in the ignorance that is a Steeler fan.

Why is it that I have friends that are Niners fans, Cowboys fans, Rams fans, Broncos fans, Colts fans, Titans fans, on and on and on ... and even ... ugh ... Browns fans. But ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THEM fall into this arrogant, pompous, punk, jerk area. I get into great conversations with these guys. We disagree more than not. But I call them my friends. Steeler fans? No way. If that is what you are, then that's all I need to know. They refuse to accept anyone who is not part of them ... so I refuse to acknowledge they are anything above the dung in the field. When I meet one that doesn't think they are collectively better than every other fanbase, then I MIGHT consider otherwise. Not going to happen. They will never let me down.

[HairOnFire]

I never said anything of the sort; in trying to establish a credible point, you continually make what I said out to be a bash on Carson's injury, which it "clearly" wasn't. But you seem to be too stupid to realize that, so you harp on it until you're blue in the face. In fact, what I said was was meant to be courteous towards the losing team's fans. Since I know what it's like to lose huge games year after year I am sympathetic towards that pain, so I was trying to help you people cope. You can twist it all you want if it makes you feel better though. I have a feeling you just can't come up with anything better to bash me with so you bring up something which you choose to interpret a completely different way from its original intent. That's your own problem and maybe some day when you're a big boy and you can think a bit more clearly you'll understand

Once again, you're a liar, a hypocrite, and a fake. Some might ever call you a poser.

The so-called credible point you claimed to have made is that the Bengals actually benefitted from Palmer's career threatening knee injury. Not only does that claim lack any shred of credibility it was remarkably unsympathetic when uttered immediately after Palmer was injured. So in my humble opinion you completely lack credibility, and your claim that your were simply being courteous and sympathetic is blatantly hollow and false. And last, I don't for a minute believe that your original intent was what you've claimed. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're a lying asshat whose original remarks were intended to scar, and I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way.

Thus, the now famous karma rant....and the waves of laughter directed squarely at your puffed up posing, your self-righteous hypocrisy, and your crap panted display of pussified emotions.

You're a joke.

[PMThor]

CT, no offense, but is it all in our heads when the little old lady who pulled in front of Ben is threatened in phone messages by Steeler fans?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2490987

"The woman, who will be cited for failing to yield to oncoming traffic and fined $106.50, has received threatening phone calls since the accident, Police Chief Dominic Costa said. She filed a police report and the calls were being investigated."

Come on now, you have to admit, this is reprehensible. I don't want to hear you say this happens everywhere, because it doesn't.

[CT Stiller]

I haven't seen those posts. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

There is no need to be a spinmeister, CT. I, as well as others, have quoted your posts specifically and stated the exact things you accuse us of ignoring. If you aren't going to acknowledge that, then what can we do?

[duus]

I have challenged numerous Steeler fans locally here in Pittsburgh to give me specific examples in the recent past where a particular fanbase of a NFL team (other than the Steelers) has directed hatred at particular players and people that have impacted their team in some negative, tangible manner. The two recent examples for the Steelers include the dumping of trash on Maddox's lawn and the threatening phone calls to this lady. I personally think these fans are direct and unmistakable product of the 'dirtiness' that comes on the field from their team. Plain and simple. I don't expect such fans as CT to ever admit this regardless of how the facts are flying around him. If it was my fanbase, I would be embarrassed to a high level. But not with Steeler fans ... just excuses ... and "everyone does it." They do not. Oh, and I have lived in several other cities and I absolutely know that this city is unique. Don't give me this 'New York does it too' garbage. I have experienced both ... Pittsburgh is by far much, much worse. Go dump some trash or make a threatening call.

[CT Stiller]

I don't really care if you want to twist my words and interpret it so that it suits your claims. You can think what you wish. I believe the Taliban does the same thing with the Koran - interpret the writings in way that suits their agenda so that they're justified in commiting terrorist acts. Not much of a difference, in principal, here.

Once again, you're a liar, a hypocrite, and a fake. Some might ever call you a poser.

The so-called credible point you claimed to have made is that the Bengals actually benefitted from Palmer's career threatening knee injury. Not only does that claim lack any shred of credibility it was remarkably unsympathetic when uttered immediately after Palmer was injured. So in my humble opinion you completely lack credibility, and your claim that your were simply being courteous and sympathetic is blatantly hollow and false. And last, I don't for a minute believe that your original intent was what you've claimed. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're a lying asshat whose original remarks were intended to scar, and I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way.

Thus, the now famous karma rant....and the waves of laughter directed squarely at your puffed up posing, your self-righteous hypocrisy, and your crap panted display of pussified emotions.

You're a joke.

[HairOnFire]

"The woman, who will be cited for failing to yield to oncoming traffic and fined $106.50, has received threatening phone calls since the accident, Police Chief Dominic Costa said. She filed a police report and the calls were being investigated."

Come on now, you have to admit, this is reprehensible. I don't want to hear you say this happens everywhere, because it doesn't.

Ignoring for a moment the abundance of proof that ALL Steeler fans are incredible asshats....how funny is it that Biggest Ben was fined $388 while the old lady was fined just $106.50.

Priceless.

[HairOnFire]

I don't really care if you want to twist my words and interpret it so that it suits your claims. You can think what you wish. I believe the Taliban does the same thing with the Koran - interpret the writings in way that suits their agenda so that they're justified in commiting terrorist acts. Not much of a difference, in principal, here.

I'm not twisting your words. In fact, if I wanted to I could probably find your original quote about the Bengals benefitting from Palmer's injury in a few minutes. But why bother when you've admitted saying what I claimed you said? And you have. So your only complaint is that I have misrepresented your true meaning...that you weren't really the same type of trash fan that you've been whining about for days. But I remember your remarks very well, and I think it's clear that your words were deliberately insensitive, intended to wound, and almost certainly uttered as an excuse.

So again, I'd say you're a liar, a hypocrite, a fake, and a poser who lacks any shred of credibility. And based upon the above Taliban/Koran response you just wrote I'd say you're also a drama queen....and a joke.

And I'm still laughing at you.

[HairOnFire]

At this very moment I'm at work listening to ESPNRadio. Specifically, the Gary Miller/DeMarco Farr Show.

The subject of discussion?

Several Steeler fan websites and blogs have now listed the address and telephone number of the old woman involved in the accident that dinged Biggest Bens empty cranium. The lists supposedly include her residence in Pittsburgh as well as a home in the state of Maine. Worse, it was also mentioned that an internet blog written by a Steeler fan actually implores Steeler fans to look up the old gal and deliver something called..."Tom's Diner Justice."

What might that be, you may ask yourself.

As it turns out Tom's Diner was the location where in 2002 a Steeler fan actually beat someone to death over some imagined slight involving the Steelers.

I can't wait for CT Stiller to spin this one.

[johnstownsteel]

At this very moment I'm at work listening to ESPNRadio. Specifically, the Gary Miller/DeMarco Farr Show.

The subject of discussion?

Several Steeler fan websites and blogs have now listed the address and telephone number of the old woman involved in the accident that dinged Biggest Bens empty cranium. The lists supposedly include her residence in Pittsburgh as well as a home in the state of Maine. Worse, it was also mentioned that an internet blog written by a Steeler fan actually implores Steeler fans to look up the old gal and deliver something called..."Tom's Diner Justice."

What might that be, you may ask yourself.

As it turns out Tom's Diner was the location where in 2002 a Steeler fan actually beat someone to death over some imagined slight involving the Steelers.

I can't wait for CT Stiller to spin this one.

I could be wrong but wasn't a Jags fan beaten down at PBS last year? Like I said, I could be wrong about that just something I seem to remember reading.

[PMThor]

If I remember correctly, it was a Bengals fan beat up by Jags fans. I may be wrong though.

To compare that to an actual "hit" being put out on an old lady is a stretch.

Everyone knows that every single NFL game there are fights. For better or worse, they happen. In the heat of the moment, adding the factor of alcohol, fights do occur.

But this is beyond that. This is not a snap decision to throw a punch. This is the actual condoning of going after someone for an accident that has absolutely nothing to do with football. Once again, this is sick.

[johnstownsteel]

If I remember correctly, it was a Bengals fan beat up by Jags fans. I may be wrong though.

To compare that to an actual "hit" being put out on an old lady is a stretch.

Everyone knows that every single NFL game there are fights. For better or worse, they happen. In the heat of the moment, adding the factor of alcohol, fights do occur.

But this is beyond that. This is not a snap decision to throw a punch. This is the actual condoning of going after someone for an accident that has absolutely nothing to do with football. Once again, this is sick.

Now wait, I'm not disagreeing with you by any means but if you think this kinda stuff happens only in Pittsburgh then your wrong. Do I have proof to back it up? No, not really but turn on your local news and see some of the things that happen in your own city.

[duus]

I have been making this claim for the better part of 10 years now. Spending my first 5 years in this town, it became obvious that this is just a highly screwed-up bunch of nuts. The day of the accident (actually within the first 30 minutes), I told my wife what would take place regarding whoever hit him. It is occurring exactly as I predicted. I also recall early last year mentioning on this site my feelings about this fanbase. Some agreed, but many doubted it could actually be that bad. It is ... and worse. One of my daily goals is to expose this group of morons for what they really are. Sometimes, however, they don't need my help as they do a great job all by themselves.

[PMThor]

If I remember correctly, it was a Bengals fan beat up by Jags fans. I may be wrong though.

To compare that to an actual "hit" being put out on an old lady is a stretch.

Everyone knows that every single NFL game there are fights. For better or worse, they happen. In the heat of the moment, adding the factor of alcohol, fights do occur.

But this is beyond that. This is not a snap decision to throw a punch. This is the actual condoning of going after someone for an accident that has absolutely nothing to do with football. Once again, this is sick.

Now wait, I'm not disagreeing with you by any means but if you think this kinda stuff happens only in Pittsburgh then your wrong. Do I have proof to back it up? No, not really but turn on your local news and see some of the things that happen in your own city.

So you are saying that since this sort of thing happens elsewhere, then it should not be noted as being wrong for Pittsburgh?

First of all, this does not happen all that frequently. Sure, it does happen, but it is being noted nation wide because it is an unusual event. It has happened yes, but to imply that it happens regularly is wrong. Fights between fans does happen. But when people are going after an innocent victim of an accident because they hurt their team and/or players, that is simply taking sport to a new low. Defending the situation by saying it happens everywhere is a weak argument. There really is no defense for threatening a person in any way. People need to take a step back and realize that this is sport, and get a real perspective for what is truly important.

[johnstownsteel]

If I remember correctly, it was a Bengals fan beat up by Jags fans. I may be wrong though.

To compare that to an actual "hit" being put out on an old lady is a stretch.

Everyone knows that every single NFL game there are fights. For better or worse, they happen. In the heat of the moment, adding the factor of alcohol, fights do occur.

But this is beyond that. This is not a snap decision to throw a punch. This is the actual condoning of going after someone for an accident that has absolutely nothing to do with football. Once again, this is sick.

Now wait, I'm not disagreeing with you by any means but if you think this kinda stuff happens only in Pittsburgh then your wrong. Do I have proof to back it up? No, not really but turn on your local news and see some of the things that happen in your own city.

So you are saying that since this sort of thing happens elsewhere, then it should not be noted as being wrong for Pittsburgh?

First of all, this does not happen all that frequently. Sure, it does happen, but it is being noted nation wide because it is an unusual event. It has happened yes, but to imply that it happens regularly is wrong. Fights between fans does happen. But when people are going after an innocent victim of an accident because they hurt their team and/or players, that is simply taking sport to a new low. Defending the situation by saying it happens everywhere is a weak argument. There really is no defense for threatening a person in any way. People need to take a step back and realize that this is sport, and get a real perspective for what is truly important.

Where exactly have I defended anyone? I'm not gonna sit here and argue over who's fan base has it's morals in place. That's just absurd. But for you guys to say that the people of Pittsburgh are more likely to express this type of behavior shows just how shallow your thinking really is. I know a little something about the race riots your city experienced not too long ago. People were being killed simply because they had the wrong skin color. This was your fanbase right? It had nothing to do with football but does that really matter?

[PMThor]

So instead of arguing about the why and wherefor in this particular incident, you instead go about bringing up a riot that happened 5 years ago, and had nothing whatsoever to do with sports? For the record, no one died during the riot.

We were discussing why someone would threaten an older lady, simply because she hurt a football player, inadvertently mind you. The riot was based in socio-economic factors and a loss of self determination for a small segment of the population. Once the riot began though, a group of criminals took advantage of the situation, simple as that.

Now, I am sure I can go back and look at events in Pitt that you would be ashamed of. But I won't, becuase they have absolutely nothing to do with sports. Instead, I want to know why some Steeler fans would threaten a woman after the fact. Do you not see the utter stupidity of this? The accident already happened! What good comes from threatening the lady? You can't unbreak the yolk, or rather, unsmashify Bens face.

[HairOnFire]

Where exactly have I defended anyone? I'm not gonna sit here and argue over who's fan base has it's morals in place. That's just absurd.

It may be absurd, but it's exactly what idiots like CT Stiller have been attempting to do for a week now. And his absurd behavior is due to a fatally flawed Pittsburgh newspaper article attempting to define how morally inferior the Cincy fanbase is when compared to SteelerNation. Well, clearly nobody is morally inferior to the typical Pittsburgh sports fan. They're ALL trash.

The saddest result of Big Ben's act of blatant stupidity was probably this message board being swamped by a wave of Steeler morons, many sporting usernames making fun of Carson Palmer's injury. And if you can believe it others portrayed themselves as semen swallowing gold teeth. But I guess we all know it could be much worse as apparently SteelerNation isn't above beating people to death in parking lots or making death threats to old women.

Bottom Line: It's time for the parade of Steeler asshats to go back to wherever they came from. Because after a week of this crap their misplaced anger should have cooled, and we're obviously well past the point where they could win any moral argument.

[johnstownsteel]

Where exactly have I defended anyone? I'm not gonna sit here and argue over who's fan base has it's morals in place. That's just absurd.

as apparently SteelerNation isn't above beating people to death in parking lots or making death threats to old women.

Just as BengalNation isn't above molesting your children, raping your women, stealing, cheating, pornography and killing. Sadly, these things happen everyday in my city and yours. By the fanbases of every team in America. You want to judge SteelerNation by the acts of one idiot. Why not judge us by all of our actions? Because these heinous acts that I mention aren't football related? That's just nonsense. Doesn't matter who started it (Bengal/Steeler fan) the whole idea is nonsense.

[duus]

After sharing with my wife some of the details of typical Steeler fans threatening the 60+ year old woman, and her quickly recalling my past stories and prediction of this one, she simply says, "We need to get out of this city." How true. Again, she herself was born and raised in Pittsburgh, and even once (it shames me to admit) rooted for the Steelers. Ah, but she is now reformed. She has seen how absurd this fanbase is. In fact, there was a time that she didn't believe me that it didn't happen everywhere. Then we spent time in Cincinnati and Indianapolis, to name only two cities. Her experience was great. But she still thought that maybe this is simply what results from a long 'winning tradition' as she called it (and I've heard CT and others say the same). Hmmm ... then we have spent weeks at a time in Lexington where she experienced KY Wildcats fans firsthand. Dare I say they have a fantastic winning tradition (I, btw, am a big fan). Well, long story short, ... great experience. She simply says there is something special about Ky and the surrounding area. Have to agree, of course. She knows firsthand that what she once called 'normal' is anything but ... it is far, far, from normal ... it is about as beneath normal as possible. Hmmmm ... maybe CT and others still need further examples. Oh, I have more. Yes, many more. But it's always nice to hold back a few 'bullets' when the idiots come running at you once again, even if all they do have is blanks. Yeah, Steeler fans ... blanks ... through and through.

[johnstownsteel]

After sharing with my wife some of the details of typical Steeler fans threatening the 60+ year old woman, and her quickly recalling my past stories and prediction of this one, she simply says, "We need to get out of this city." How true. Again, she herself was born and raised in Pittsburgh, and even once (it shames me to admit) rooted for the Steelers. Ah, but she is now reformed. She has seen how absurd this fanbase is. In fact, there was a time that she didn't believe me that it didn't happen everywhere. Then we spent time in Cincinnati and Indianapolis, to name only two cities. Her experience was great. But she still thought that maybe this is simply what results from a long 'winning tradition' as she called it (and I've heard CT and others say the same). Hmmm ... then we have spent weeks at a time in Lexington where she experienced KY Wildcats fans firsthand. Dare I say they have a fantastic winning tradition (I, btw, am a big fan). Well, long story short, ... great experience. She simply says there is something special about Ky and the surrounding area. Have to agree, of course. She knows firsthand that what she once called 'normal' is anything but ... it is far, far, from normal ... it is about as beneath normal as possible. Hmmmm ... maybe CT and others still need further examples. Oh, I have more. Yes, many more. But it's always nice to hold back a few 'bullets' when the idiots come running at you once again, even if all they do have is blanks. Yeah, Steeler fans ... blanks ... through and through.

About time we finally got rid of you!

[duus]

About time we finally got rid of you!

Yeah, then there will be no one to expose the group for what it really is. Doesn't every NFL team have a few bad apples? Sure. But when you have half the barrel filled with those that are rotten to the core, well, then it's time to dispose of the entire worm-infected Steeler nation.

[ArmyBengal]

For those Steelers fans here who don't believe this is actually happening, then I suggest they tune into PTI on ESPN where Wilborn and Kornheiser address the issue and call out Steelers fans as being "Disgusting" and "Needing to be tracked down and thrown in jail". Yes, there are things that happen in other cities as well and I'm not turning a deaf ear to it, I'm just addressing THIS particuliar issue and the fact the fans of Pittsburgh play it off as it never happened or good natured fun and games. Fact is, the fans of professional teams (ALL OF THEM) are getting worse in my mind, but this just happens to be a HUGE example of the bullsh*t that shouldn't be tolerated. I remember going to Pittsburgh and Cleveland and THEIR FANS coming here to see the game and it was a good time and there were no issues. You don't see that anymore and unfortunately, Pittsburgh is setting a bad example. I see some bad stuff happening at the games this year if this continues...

WHODEY !!!