kingwilly Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 I guess I just don't see the need to, what I consider, "Overpay" for a player like JJ, who is NOT the best FB in the league...he is very good but not the best....We have Luchey...who is a good runner and receiver....We could draft a guy....Victor Mann comes to mind...JJ is a very good FB...but not the BEST in the NFL....and we did not ned to make him the highest paid FB in the NFL just to keep him her...There is "reward" for loyalty, hard work, improvement and results...but this does not jive...we have overpaid for JJ....good for him, but unnecessary for this team.BTW- I saw when Warren was on NFL network with Deacon Jones...he is a fat loudmouth who has not been good for about 4 years....he's on the Al Davis money-train....glad he did not end up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwillycuse Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 I have no problem with the JJ deal. I actually like it. The more stability on this team the better. he core of this team is becoming as cohesive as any team in the league. A few more $ for a FB that actually can run and catch, who is durable and really wants to be here. He will bust his a$$ every play. People were upset when Neal left for San Diego. Now we wont have to worry about the RB position for a few years, barring injury.Highest paid FB in the league? - I havent looked at the numbers but im sure its by a couple thousand, and with the salary cap going up. He wont be in a year or two. That means bargain All Pro FB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 I guess I just don't see the need to, what I consider, "Overpay" for a player like JJ, who is NOT the best FB in the league...he is very good but not the best....Isn't he? Based on what? Who is clearly better?Rudi Johnson has had a couple Pro Bowl-caliber seasons with JJ plowing the field.The guy hasn't missed a game in three years.He's had few opportunities to do much himself -- just 69 touches in 3 seasons (1.4 a game) -- but in those limited opportunties has produced 6 TDs and 15 first downs. In other words, 9% of his touches have produced points and another 21% extended drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Man, I don't know what some of yall are thinking about sometimes.JJ is a great player that makes plays when it counts.3 TD in 13 receptions?Palmer has and will, continue to look to him.Not only that, but he's a big factor in the running game, allowing Rudi to break his rushing records in consecutive seasons.Great signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 No doubt about it, Warren still has issues with the Bengals.Wait 'til December 10.As for teams dropping the FB position...who cares? When a top-5 offense signs their key, young players to long-term deals, you'd be an idiot to imply that they're making a mistake. (Incidentally, the Raiders' FB scored 7 TD's last year)I wonder if the phrase "highest paid fullback" is throwing people off. That designation won't last long, so if you want to argue that the Bengals overpaid, just address the money. Is paying a valuable member of your team an extra $750,000 really such a huge problem? Is it really worth relying on a career backup like Luchey or some untested rookie just to have a little extra money in your pocket? I don't think so. And I'm glad Mike Brown agrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Once again, for what we get out of JJ, I'm more than happy to have him locked up leading the way to another single season rushing record for Rudi !!! WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiLBurn Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 For the record, Nick Luchey is an Unrestricted Free Agent this year.I like this signing. Jeremi Johnson brings a lot to the table. He can catch the ball, very well. He can lead block for Rudi and I think he could actually carry the load as an every down RB if push came to shove. The 1.5 million per year might look a little high but you gotta remember that the salary cap got bumped up pretty significantly this year and we are going to, most likely, have to rely on our running game more to make up for the possibilty of CP being out for the first few games this year. I'd rather have Jeremi blocking for Rudi than a draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurebengal08 Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 I like the re-signing, but was he really worth all that money? He is very good, but I don't believe that he's the best FB in football, and it said in the article on bengals.com that he SETTLED to stay in Cincy...receiving the best deal for a current FB doesn't really sound like settling to me. I really like the guy, but I think the money could've been spent on other areas, preferably the o-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiLBurn Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Ask that question in 2009. It makes more financial sense to sign players to "big contracts" today than it does to wait until the price goes up. Look at Chad Johnsons contract. He's a bargain now... It might not have been so obvious back when he extended his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurebengal08 Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Ask that question in 2009. It makes more financial sense to sign players to "big contracts" today than it does to wait until the price goes up. Look at Chad Johnsons contract. He's a bargain now... It might not have been so obvious back when he extended his contract.True, but WR contracts are and should be a lot different from FB contracts...I don't think that anyone could replace Chad on our team, but I think Luchey or a draft pick could possibly step in for JJ and have relative success...I guess no one can argue with the fact that we had a lethal offense last year, and keeping all the components of that offense is the best thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Luchey has been and never will be any more than a backup... Who else would you like to bring in here and get what we get out of JJ ?? Don't tell me a draft pick either, because that would not be even close to accurate...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurebengal08 Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Luchey has been and never will be any more than a backup... Who else would you like to bring in here and get what we get out of JJ ?? Don't tell me a draft pick either, because that would not be even close to accurate...WHODEY !!!I'm not arguing that we should let JJ go, or settle for Luchey or a draft pick...from a financial standpoint, I think the signing could've been handled a little better...but hey, I'm happy for the guy, and I hope he has many productive years with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Ask that question in 2009. It makes more financial sense to sign players to "big contracts" today than it does to wait until the price goes up.Add to that the fact that we are simply not talking about big NFL coin here. Being the "top-paid fullback" in the NFL is about as big a deal as being the top-paid long-snapper. I think it was the Pats a couple years back that actually franchised their kicker, simply because the cost was so minimal. Even if we had let JJ go and drafted a rook at minimum salary, the difference in cap hit might be $1 million, maybe a bit less. BFD.Bottom line: in financial terms, this is a non-issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Being the "top-paid fullback" in the NFL is about as big a deal as being the top-paid long-snapper. Well, that's the ame point Sapp was sarcastically making, but because it focuses on only one position it misses a rather obvious point. Taking all of their moves together, from extending Palmer to Bobbie Williams to JJ, and factoring in the FA deals for Adams and Jackson, we're looking at a Bengal team that is proactive and willing to pay top dollar for proven talent. Back to JJ. I agree the money isn't out of line because the position doesn't command big dollars. However, enough time has now passed for judgement to be made in regards to one of the most recent examples where the Bengals willingly let a pro bowl player leave their roster due to that players financial demands. Point blank, who amongst us would still prefer Lorenzo Neal over JJ? Before you answer remind yourself that JJ is just hitting his prime, Rudi and JJ broke the franchise rushing marks of Dillon and Neal, and JJ's pass catching abilities aren't being fully exploited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 I maybe wrong, but I thought that the deal that SF floated for JJ (that he did not sign) was for more cash than he got here.I think he took less to be here on a team going somewhere other than the cellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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