GO85CHAD Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 tell me again why we should take a cornerback at 24. Forget whose available just say why its a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Because people don't realize that Tory's drop off was largely due to a lack of safeties on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Because Antonio Cromartie is a freaking monster!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Because Antonio Cromartie is a freaking monster!!!!!!Yes he is. However, he's a risk due to injury. At the same time, there are some great safeties, tight ends (But I hope we don't take one in round one), and even a few defensive linemen we should consider first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Cleveland Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 The answer to this is very simple. Money. FA CB's cost too much and only the top 2 or 3 corners in the league are worth big money. Marvin has said it a million times and he is right. The draft is the best place to get someone for when Tory is gone. That said, I know Marvin will pick the best player available which could be any position this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Because you can never have too many good corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Maybe because Tory isn't getting younger... This also has to do with what your opinion of our depth is as well. I for one don't like our depth at the position WHATSOEVER !!! Outside of Tory and Deltha, who's the next man ?? Don't tell me Ratliff, because he hasn't shown me anything worthy of anything more than nickel. Ok, who else ?? Really, who else ??Cromartie would be huge for us in the first. He is a big cover corner with speed AND leaping ability. Ok, he had an injury, but he came back from that injury to run a quick 4.3 and 4.4 forty. I know people think he's a risk, but he projects VERY well to the NFL and I for one WANT this guy if he's there at #24...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Injuries..If madieu or any of our corners go down, we'll be very limited depth wise.Let's say dexter is injured, then KK takes his spot. were banking on Madiue playing all 16 games.If deltha or James go down for a couple games, ratliff can possibly fill in, but who plays nickel?I really want another madeui/deltha in the secondary, it would be scarry.I'm hoping for Jimmy williams at pick #24, if we go CB/S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalChamps Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Despite the bashing theyve taken, the DT's have some depth and Askew or Smith WILL get cut. DE and LB have some issues but not depth problems that the secondary has. The need at S may be greater but the CB's available at 24 are more talented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengalbob Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Maybe because Tory isn't getting younger... This also has to do with what your opinion of our depth is as well. I for one don't like our depth at the position WHATSOEVER !!! Outside of Tory and Deltha, who's the next man ?? Don't tell me Ratliff, because he hasn't shown me anything worthy of anything more than nickel. Ok, who else ?? Really, who else ??Cromartie would be huge for us in the first. He is a big cover corner with speed AND leaping ability. Ok, he had an injury, but he came back from that injury to run a quick 4.3 and 4.4 forty. I know people think he's a risk, but he projects VERY well to the NFL and I for one WANT this guy if he's there at #24...WHODEY !!!Army, I agree 100%. I don't think I was the only one gasping when Deltha was pulled out for a quarter against Cleveland (who was it against?) last year with a knee tweak. When he came back in, the weight of the world was lifted from my shoulders! Give me another CB that I can trust!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I think Tory could have had more success last season with better help from the safeties, but not much. I wasn't even confident with him at CB the year he went to the Pro Bowl. Sure, he can make his fair share of interceptions and those are always lovely, but he gets burned too much by pure speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengalbob Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I think Tory could have had more success last season with better help from the safeties, but not much. I wasn't even confident with him at CB the year he went to the Pro Bowl. Sure, he can make his fair share of interceptions and those are always lovely, but he gets burned too much by pure speed.The problem isn't so much this year, it's next and the year after. We need to bring in talent now; prep him and then work him in for starts next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurebengal08 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I'm hoping for Jimmy williams at pick #24, if we go CB/S.No Jimmy Williams....he seems overrated and has a definite attitude problem....something that Marvin should be running from right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Because people don't realize that Tory's drop off was largely due to a lack of safeties on the field..To you guys who are trying to blame the safeties for Tory's struggles, I have two words:STOP IT.Seriously, just stop with that nonsense right now. A good safety makes an average corner look better. However, a good/elite corner doesn't need help from the safeties to cover receivers. If he struggles when the two guys behind him are average or below average, then he's not a good corner. He is an average corner. There is no debate to this. The bottom line here is that Tory is still a competent player, but his physical attributes are deteriorating every year. I think he runs the 40 these days in about 4.3 hours. As of right now, he's a savvy veteran, like the pitcher in Major League who puts snot on the ball to give it a few extra inches of movement, but would you feel confident in him covering a team's #1 receiver if Deltha went down? Plus you have to understand that he probably only has one or two more years left in the tank before his body quits on him completely.Knowing this, and also realizing that Keiwan Ratliff is not the answer, it becomes obvious that they need to draft a young kid with talent (be it Youboty, Williams, or Cromartie in the first or someone else later on in the draft) who can come in and learn for a year or two and step in when needed. The thing is, they might be wise to wait until the second round to find that player. There are several corners who might still be available at pick 55 who could end up as elite defensive backs in the NFL with the right amount of coaching (Joseph, Marshall, Kelly Jennings, Minter, Webb). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maanster Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 corner is our biggest need. who is waiting in the wings to replace tory and deltha? (ratliff has good potenitial) the bengals must draft a corner in rd 1 or rd 2. deltha is solid but tory really struggled last year.i think the bengals should consider moving madieu williams to corner ( his thin frame might make him injury prone at saftey) and drafting a solid saftey to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPalmer9 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Maybe because Tory isn't getting younger... This also has to do with what your opinion of our depth is as well. I for one don't like our depth at the position WHATSOEVER !!! Outside of Tory and Deltha, who's the next man ?? Don't tell me Ratliff, because he hasn't shown me anything worthy of anything more than nickel. Ok, who else ?? Really, who else ??Cromartie would be huge for us in the first. He is a big cover corner with speed AND leaping ability. Ok, he had an injury, but he came back from that injury to run a quick 4.3 and 4.4 forty. I know people think he's a risk, but he projects VERY well to the NFL and I for one WANT this guy if he's there at #24...WHODEY !!!why is this guy always right...i couldnt agree with him anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Maybe because Tory isn't getting younger... This also has to do with what your opinion of our depth is as well. I for one don't like our depth at the position WHATSOEVER !!! Outside of Tory and Deltha, who's the next man ?? Don't tell me Ratliff, because he hasn't shown me anything worthy of anything more than nickel. Ok, who else ?? Really, who else ??Cromartie would be huge for us in the first. He is a big cover corner with speed AND leaping ability. Ok, he had an injury, but he came back from that injury to run a quick 4.3 and 4.4 forty. I know people think he's a risk, but he projects VERY well to the NFL and I for one WANT this guy if he's there at #24...WHODEY !!!why is this guy always right...i couldnt agree with him anymore I'm FAR from always right... Sometimes my bullsh*t rants just come out good and this is a case in point. Anyway, the thought of Jennings in the 2nd if we were to go DE with say a Kiwi or Hali would be more than ok by me, but there is just something about Cromartie that sticks with me. I don't know, call it a feeling, but I just want the guy in stripes...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 TDB, who is the girl in your sig? Is that one of those FSU Cowgirls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Because people don't realize that Tory's drop off was largely due to a lack of safeties on the field..To you guys who are trying to blame the safeties for Tory's struggles, I have two words:STOP IT.Seriously, just stop with that nonsense right now. A good safety makes an average corner look better. However, a good/elite corner doesn't need help from the safeties to cover receivers. If he struggles when the two guys behind him are average or below average, then he's not a good corner. He is an average corner. There is no debate to this. I hate to break it to you, but in a system where the safeties are responsible for coverage, including a LOT of zone coverage, NO corner is going to be left without getting burnt if his safety isn't handling his responsibilities. Tory lets coverage off when he's supposed to, and it looks like he's toast because he expects his safety to do his freaking job. There's plenty of debate. Players don't go to the pro-bowl from CINCINNATI, the siberia of the NFL in terms of getting to the Pro Bowl unless they are damned good. Tory went the year prior to last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I understand the different coverages and how they bump a receiver in cover 2 and pass him to a safety, but I'm not talking about that. In man to man defense, Tory is a liability. He can't cover a receiver one on one. You can't blame the safety for the corner's torubles in a cover 2 man or a cover 1 situation. Granted, a good safety can rotate over faster and help out, but good corners can be left on an island outside without safety help. Once again, would you feel comfortable with him in that type of situation?He's good in zone coverage, but that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Tory's days are numbered as a NFL starter. He's had a great career and still has some use left in him. But the Bengals have got to be looking at CB if they don't feel like Keiwan is their future there.If the safeties can close better over the top -- and that's a guarantee any time that's Madieu -- it'll help mask the trouble James has keeping up to the point where the safety can get there. But it won't help with routes that turn back to the middle. The Bengals need a quicker CB who can keep up downfield in man to open up other defensive options and break on a dime at full speed to keep up with some of the quicker WRs whenever they track over the middle. That alone would give the Bengals more flexibility on defense if they have another CB who can play outside of zone coverage like that. Add to it a CB who can also play slot -- especially one with enough size to handle TEs -- and it frees up Madieu to do what he does best -- play free safety. Antonio Cromartie sure looks like he can do all that. But CB in general as a 1st round pick maybe shouldn't be the way the Bengals go if they can't land Cromartie. I'm not sure the other CBs available promise a comparable impact as Cromartie when you add it all up -- cover corner, run corner, slot corner, either safety, returner and even WR. Course other teams are all well aware of Cromartie and it's seeming more and more of a long shot to me that Herm Edwards passes on him at #20 to take somebody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Is Tory James still alive and with the Bengals? Cause from reading this thread it sounds like he is dead and you guys are already covering him up with dirt. Damn you guys can be cruel to a guy that has helped turn around the Bengals AND just made the Pro-Bowl 2 years ago and many people said he should have been there last year with his 5 INT's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I'll agree, Tory has some age on his tires, but then again, so does Champ Bailey.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I'll agree, Tory has some age on his tires, but then again, so does Champ Bailey....Tory is 32 years old and he didn't really play much the first 2 years in the league with Oakland...the guy still has 2-3 years left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Time stands still for no man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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