walshfan Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Wilkerson was projected to be the 1st center taken last year before his injury. Therefore, you can assume that his skills are comparable to Mangold's, so don't give me the whole "he wasn't even drafted" crap. It's an injury issue, and he should be fine.Also... who cares if Ghiaciuc was the 4th or 5th center taken in the draft. It isn't always about where you were drafted. Chris Perry was a 1st round draft pick, and Rudi Johnson was a 4th rounder. I guess we've been starting the wrong guy. (and let's not forget where Tom Brady was drafted... or perhaps they should trade up to get Leinart)Ghiaciuc very well might be a much better center than Mangold. You don't know. He played well in the game he was forced to start, and like I said, Wilkerson has all the talent there... it's just a matter of getting over the injury.We defintely have other areas of need far worse than center. Mangold is a hometown hero, but we just don't need him.Show me how many Olinemen paul alexander has had success with that were drafted on the second day?Want me to count them for you ???? ( 0 )... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Show me how many Olinemen paul alexander has had success with that were drafted on the second day?Want me to count them for you ???? ( 0 )...I'm intrigued by your premise. First of all, Alexander joined the Bengals in '94. Which means he coached teams that posted a combined record of 71-121. Certainly he must be entirely responsible for any lack of quality in the scouting, conditioning and coaching of the offensive linemen. Second of all, why limit the query to second day picks? Shouldn't the legendary careers of Melvin Tuten, Ken Blackman and Rod Payne also be considered?Third, what does it take to register a success with a late-round pick? Must one be a TJ Houshmandzadeh or a Tim Krumrie to be a success? Or is it be enough to get playing time and maybe a few starts when needed? Does Stacy Andrews suck because he can't beat out Willie Anderson for a starting position?Regardless, here are the second day, OL picks of Alexander's tenure.1994 - Trent Pollard (5th), Jerry Reynolds (6th). I couldn't find any stats for either of these guys, but Pollard was just waived by the Rams this month, so he must have ended up with some sort of career.1995 - Ryan Grigson (6th). Played for the Lions and in the CFL. Is currently a scout for the Eagles.1996 - Rod Jones (7th). The tackle, not the CB. Had 37 starts over 6 seasons with the Bengals.1999 - Tony Coats (7th). Who?2000 - Victor Leyva (5th). Played in 10 games in 2002.2003 - Scott Kooistra (7th). Was just re-signed to the team.2004 - Stacy Andrews (4th). A long-term project.2005 - Eric Ghiaciuc (4th), Adam Kieft (5th). Too early to tell.I wouldn't say anything here is a ringing endorsement for either side of the argument. But you have to wonder if these results are very different from any other teams', and at any other position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Ghiaciuc is a fine replacement for richie (they both have bucketheads ) I think once he has few years behind him be just as good as richie...Wilkerson can be even better there was reason he was tied for top center last year but all depends how he comes back from his injuryThe only way they'd take mangold is if they planned to let steinbach walk and move wilkerson and Ghiaciuc too starting guard/back up center and then it would be waste of 1st rnd pick rather then resign steinbach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 You're telling me our center position isn't as good as I think it may be... Tell me why it's as bad as you think it is ?? Wilkerson is more than capable as he was the best college o-linemen that year. Guycheck came in for Braham and had what Big Willie said was, "The best start he's ever seen by a rookie linemen". With Kieft back and one of the best o-lines in the league, why WOULD we take Mangold ?? Just because he's the top rated center ?? That may be your opinion and that's fine, but I disagree. Regardless of if you think we actually draft him or not, NO ONE can deny our defense needs just a little more to put us over the rut they have been in. Draft Mangold = Another year of getting ran the F*CK over and not shoring up our defense...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 If you truly feel it will be OK for our o-line to let our "young" 2nd rounder (1st round talent) leave and hope to get the same VERSATILITY then you my friend have the intelligence of a thumbtack !!!No rookie replacement will come close to what Steiny gives us !!!WHODEY !!!No s**t but that's not the arguement.The arguement is can we afford stienbach, if we can't should we draft a gaurd to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 If you truly feel it will be OK for our o-line to let our "young" 2nd rounder (1st round talent) leave and hope to get the same VERSATILITY then you my friend have the intelligence of a thumbtack !!!No rookie replacement will come close to what Steiny gives us !!!WHODEY !!!No s**t but that's not the arguement.The arguement is can we afford stienbach, if we can't should we draft a gaurd to replace him. Actually, it "was" the argument, but I'll play your game... If we can't afford Steinbach and let him go, I'm thinking we might have to replace him, but that might be considered a no sh*t statement as well... WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 If you truly feel it will be OK for our o-line to let our "young" 2nd rounder (1st round talent) leave and hope to get the same VERSATILITY then you my friend have the intelligence of a thumbtack !!!No rookie replacement will come close to what Steiny gives us !!!WHODEY !!!No s**t but that's not the arguement.The arguement is can we afford stienbach, if we can't should we draft a gaurd to replace him. Actually, it "was" the argument, but I'll play your game... If we can't afford Steinbach and let him go, I'm thinking we might have to replace him, but that might be considered a no sh*t statement as well... WHODEY !!!Well would you be pissed if we drafted a G in the 2nd round then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 If you truly feel it will be OK for our o-line to let our "young" 2nd rounder (1st round talent) leave and hope to get the same VERSATILITY then you my friend have the intelligence of a thumbtack !!!No rookie replacement will come close to what Steiny gives us !!!WHODEY !!!No s**t but that's not the arguement.The arguement is can we afford stienbach, if we can't should we draft a gaurd to replace him. Actually, it "was" the argument, but I'll play your game... If we can't afford Steinbach and let him go, I'm thinking we might have to replace him, but that might be considered a no sh*t statement as well... WHODEY !!!Well would you be pissed if we drafted a G in the 2nd round then? Honestly, I think we should be able to pay these guys on the o-line and don't want to take an o-lineman on day one. On the other hand, there is the other argument that we can't develop a day two o-linemen, so who knows... I still want a defensive day one !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Once again Ill submit the premise that your assuming that Wilkerson will be fine and Bluto can hold his own at center......If the brass thinks they can Im all for it.. I too believe that drafting Mangold would hinder the upgrading process of the defense but first and foremost I want to see our offensive line stay strong...Im not as optomistic about the 2 beforementioned centers as most of you are... I do think Mangold is going to be very good and with him at center Steiney and Williams on each side and the tackle spots manned by Levi and possibly Andrews or Kieft ( who Im not high on either but thats another story ) I think the line protects and gives the franchise time to do what he does best...If they choose a defensive player Im allright with it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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