wookie Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Nothing final until a contract is signed. Arringtom could still come to Cincy. We could live without him, but it would be nice to line him up with Thurman and Co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 GIANTS AND LAVAR NOT ON SAME PAGE By PAUL SCHWARTZ April 6, 2006 -- Given his pedigree, it was not likely linebacker LaVar Arrington would make it into the month of April without hooking on with a new team. But that is the case, a sure sign the player is seeking more money than anyone is willing to spend. The Giants have real interest in Arrington but have engaged in no real substantive talks with his agents since making an offer three weeks ago. Arrington and his family paid a visit to the Giants in the second week of March, dined with coach Tom Coughlin, GM Ernie Accorsi and linebacker Antonio Pierce, Arrington's former teammate with the Redskins. Arrington met the Giant coaching staff but did not take a physical or work out for the team. After the visit, the framework of a contract proposal was presented to Arrington's agents, Carl and Kevin Poston. It was considerably less money than what the Postons were seeking. Since then, little has changed, according to a person with knowledge of the situation. Reports that a deal with the Giants is close or even imminent are not accurate. The Giants have not announced they have ceased negotiations or taken their offer off the table - a statement they made last year with Plaxico Burress before he eventually signed - but the difference in the contract offered and sought is so great that there is not much to talk about. The Dolphins, Jaguars and Bengals are also interested, but not at Arrington's price. *The Giants yesterday signed tight end Tony Jackson, a 2005 sixth-round pick of the Seahawks who was out of football last year. Jackson played at Iowa, where he caught 14 passes for 134 yards and two TDs and also played fullback. http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/66598.htmA post from someone else on the topic...John Clayton mentioned on ESPN radio last night that apparently we offered Arrington $3mill per year, and it obviously wasn't good enough. He apparently wants atleast $4mill, since he paid $4 mill to get out of his Redskins contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Good God, and the Arrington talks will go on and on around here...Can't someone just sign his goofyass so we can be done hearing about it ??WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Funk Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Bengalthem hit the nail on the head.Signing Adams may have cost us BoobieWilliams.Signing Adams and LaVar may have cost us Steinbach. FOCUS ON THE O-LINE. Please, please sign one of our freaking starters. s**ttals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I haven't read any of the threads on Lavarr, but I don't know why everyone wants this guy soo bad. I'm glad the Bengals didn't sign him. Our linebackers are good. Pollack, Simmons, Thurman, Landon, Miller, Navies. That's no slouch. Don't get me wrong, Lavarr is definitley an upgrade, but I'd rather spend that money on extensions for the O-line.We can pick up a LB in the draft with either the 3nd or 4rd pick. I'm satisfied with the starting defense. Geathers/Pollack, J.Smith, Shaun Smith, Sam Adams, Thurman, Simmons, Pollack/Johnson, James, Oneal, Williams, Jackson.........I like itTherefore the Bengals will take:1st pick Lenord Pope2nd pick Claude Wroten3rd pick CB/SSor LB4th pick LB5th pick DEPeople who want Lavar realize he's better than any of our linebackers except possibly Odell. If you use him right he's a game changer. I think he's worth $4M/yr if he would actually sign for that.Also, I wouldn't count on your starting lineup, because Smith hasn't shown he can play a whole game. As such, I'd say we need a DT still over a TE in round 1. I wouldn't bitch about a DE or S either. We don't need offense enough to blow the #1 pick on it. Offense wasn't the problem last year and it won't be this year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I'm satisfied with the starting defense. Geathers/Pollack, J.Smith, Shaun Smith, Sam Adams, Thurman, Simmons, Pollack/Johnson, James, Oneal, Williams, Jackson.........I like itTherefore the Bengals will take:1st pick Lenord Pope2nd pick Claude Wroten3rd pick CB/SSor LB4th pick LB5th pick DESo when did Shaun Smith catapult into the starting line-up...unless someone isn`t injured ? John Thornton has started in EVERY game at DT since he signed with the Bengals.Shaun Smith only started because of injury, and went back to being a back-upas soon as Robinson was healthy. Shaun Smith will be fighting Askew for a rosterspot... not starting.Oh and you can forget Pope in the 1st round. He isn`t a very good blocker. And there is no way the Bengals will draft him in the 1st round. At leastthat`s what I heard from someone that knows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 yeah you guys are crazy, Marcus Wilkins is our starting MLB along with Shaun Smith at DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I haven't read any of the threads on Lavarr, but I don't know why everyone wants this guy soo bad. I'm glad the Bengals didn't sign him. Our linebackers are good. Pollack, Simmons, Thurman, Landon, Miller, Navies. That's no slouch. Don't get me wrong, Lavarr is definitley an upgrade, but I'd rather spend that money on extensions for the O-line.We can pick up a LB in the draft with either the 3nd or 4rd pick. I'm satisfied with the starting defense. Geathers/Pollack, J.Smith, Shaun Smith, Sam Adams, Thurman, Simmons, Pollack/Johnson, James, Oneal, Williams, Jackson.........I like itTherefore the Bengals will take:1st pick Lenord Pope2nd pick Claude Wroten3rd pick CB/SSor LB4th pick LB5th pick DEPeople who want Lavar realize he's better than any of our linebackers except possibly Odell. If you use him right he's a game changer. I think he's worth $4M/yr if he would actually sign for that.Also, I wouldn't count on your starting lineup, because Smith hasn't shown he can play a whole game. As such, I'd say we need a DT still over a TE in round 1. I wouldn't bitch about a DE or S either. We don't need offense enough to blow the #1 pick on it. Offense wasn't the problem last year and it won't be this year either.I disagree, Lavar is overrated as hell. He's a game changer, it's just half the time it's bad becaue he's so out of position. Pollack is gonna explode this year, mark it down right HERE. Lavar will make a play, then give up a play. And we still haven't found out where Landon will end up, and how much can Calub Miller contribute. I AM not interested at all in Lavar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Arrington is doing the same thing with the Giants reports he did with the Cincy reports.. TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO BID ON HIM.We won't sign him. We didn't even bring him to town. It ain't gonna happen. Get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Arrington is doing the same thing with the Giants reports he did with the Cincy reports.. TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO BID ON HIM.We won't sign him. We didn't even bring him to town. It ain't gonna happen. Get over it.Actually Lavar came to Cincinnati and had breakfast with Marvin.It wasn`t an "official" meeting though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 What did they eat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Arrington is doing the same thing with the Giants reports he did with the Cincy reports.. TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO BID ON HIM.We won't sign him. We didn't even bring him to town. It ain't gonna happen. Get over it.Actually Lavar came to Cincinnati and had breakfast with Marvin.It wasn`t an "official" meeting though...It doesn't count if it's not official enough to do anything but eat breakfast and pretend that you are talking contracts. The Bengals didn't bring Lavar to town, Lavar came to town and asked Marvin to eat with him. If Steve Young came to town and ate breakfast with Marvin, would we have any reason to think HE was going to sign? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Signing Adams may have cost us BoobieWilliams.Signing Adams and LaVar may have cost us Steinbach. Ok, if by signing Adams to the contract we did keeps us from signing Williams, someone doesn't know what the hell they are doing. I'm of the thinking this statement is just a little off... I guess we also have another person who already believes Arrington has signed on as well.. Newsflash, he hasn't, but will concede that if he did, it would be at the cost of one of the o-linemen. Adams only cost us 3.5 mil up to 4 if incentives are met... I just can't see where one signing is ultimately responsible for not being able to sign two other players when the cap is there to make this happen. I also believe that Shaun Smith was very productive at DT when he finally came in. No he didn't start until the injury, but he was more than solid and more than a few of us wouldn't mind Thornton taking a hike !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Adams only cost us 3.5 mil up to 4 if incentives are met... I just can't see where one signing is ultimately responsible for not being able to sign two other players when the cap is there to make this happen.Actually, in cap terms, Adams probably only counts about $2 million -- maybe a touch less -- against the cap. That assumes a $2.7 million SB and a $1 million salary this year, which gets you to the reported $3.7 million year one number (without incentives). That'd be $1.9 million vs. the cap. Even if the incentives count as likely to be earned, that still only pushes the cap hit it to around $2.2 million.Sam didn't cost us anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 What did they eat? They ate breakfast Arrington is doing the same thing with the Giants reports he did with the Cincy reports.. TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO BID ON HIM.We won't sign him. We didn't even bring him to town. It ain't gonna happen. Get over it.Actually Lavar came to Cincinnati and had breakfast with Marvin.It wasn`t an "official" meeting though...It doesn't count if it's not official enough to do anything but eat breakfast and pretend that you are talking contracts. The Bengals didn't bring Lavar to town, Lavar came to town and asked Marvin to eat with him. If Steve Young came to town and ate breakfast with Marvin, would we have any reason to think HE was going to sign? No.Steve Young has been retired for years. He isn`t looking to play in the NFL anymore.Lavar isn`t retired and is looking to play in the NFL...Lavar is a Free Agent. The Bengals have been reported as "showing interest".Marvin even talked about Lavar on the team Official website.Personally, I don`t think the Bengals are going to sign Lavar. But I`m sure Lavar came to Cincinnati for more than to have breakfast with Marvin. Maybe theyrealized that there was no need for an "official visit" after getting a feelwhere each other stood after breakfast... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Adams only cost us 3.5 mil up to 4 if incentives are met... I just can't see where one signing is ultimately responsible for not being able to sign two other players when the cap is there to make this happen.Actually, in cap terms, Adams probably only counts about $2 million -- maybe a touch less -- against the cap. That assumes a $2.7 million SB and a $1 million salary this year, which gets you to the reported $3.7 million year one number (without incentives). That'd be $1.9 million vs. the cap. Even if the incentives count as likely to be earned, that still only pushes the cap hit it to around $2.2 million.Sam didn't cost us anyone. Joisey, always nice of you to confirm my thought and find a better way to express it !!! Thanks !!! WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I think you'll see Bobbie gone anyways, probably Willie too.It not what I want but look at the depth chart, something's gotta give, and it looks like Cincy prepared for that.Eric Ghuiacec(I know that's spelled wrong)Ben WilkersonAdam KieftStacey AndrewsScott Koostria (even though he's only got a one year deal)I've already accepted the fact not all of our starters are coming back. Levi and Eric are young and have the most upside, Willie is a lockeroom charm, but age is there and the money might be too big for a RT, and Bobbie is probably the odd man out.Oh, and I don't want Lavar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I think you'll see Bobbie gone anyways, probably Willie too.It not what I want but look at the depth chart, something's gotta give, and it looks like Cincy prepared for that.Eric Ghuiacec(I know that's spelled wrong)Ben WilkersonAdam KieftStacey AndrewsScott Koostria (even though he's only got a one year deal)I've already accepted the fact not all of our starters are coming back. Levi and Eric are young and have the most upside, Willie is a lockeroom charm, but age is there and the money might be too big for a RT, and Bobbie is probably the odd man out.Oh, and I don't want Lavar!Um, why? I'm not seeing the math on this one. I see that as insurance, kind of like when they drafted Chris Perry not knowing what the future would hold with Rudi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 There called salary cap casualties, youth movements, insert fav cliche here.It's money. You can't afford to pay all your lineman top flight money, which is what most of ours will command, especially after only allowing something like 19 sacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 What did they eat? They ate breakfast Arrington is doing the same thing with the Giants reports he did with the Cincy reports.. TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO BID ON HIM.We won't sign him. We didn't even bring him to town. It ain't gonna happen. Get over it.Actually Lavar came to Cincinnati and had breakfast with Marvin.It wasn`t an "official" meeting though...It doesn't count if it's not official enough to do anything but eat breakfast and pretend that you are talking contracts. The Bengals didn't bring Lavar to town, Lavar came to town and asked Marvin to eat with him. If Steve Young came to town and ate breakfast with Marvin, would we have any reason to think HE was going to sign? No.Steve Young has been retired for years. He isn`t looking to play in the NFL anymore.Lavar isn`t retired and is looking to play in the NFL...Lavar is a Free Agent. The Bengals have been reported as "showing interest".Marvin even talked about Lavar on the team Official website.Personally, I don`t think the Bengals are going to sign Lavar. But I`m sure Lavar came to Cincinnati for more than to have breakfast with Marvin. Maybe theyrealized that there was no need for an "official visit" after getting a feelwhere each other stood after breakfast...The ONLY one to report that the Bengals are showing interest in Lavar is.. that's right..... LAVAR'S Agent!There called salary cap casualties, youth movements, insert fav cliche here.It's money. You can't afford to pay all your lineman top flight money, which is what most of ours will command, especially after only allowing something like 19 sacksI'm sure we will resign Bobbie, Eric, and Levi. Willie will probably ride off into the sunset, unless he's willing to take a smaller cut to play for the Super Bowl ring. Richie will be replaced after this season if not during this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Personally, I don`t think the Bengals are going to sign Lavar. But I`m sure Lavar came to Cincinnati for more than to have breakfast with Marvin. Maybe theyrealized that there was no need for an "official visit" after getting a feelwhere each other stood after breakfast...I wonder if Sam could stand after eating his breakfast with Marvin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalindian Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 If Steve Young came to town and ate breakfast with Marvin, would we have any reason to think HE was going to sign? No.Steve Young ate with Marvin? Are they starting contract talks? How much does Steve want? 2 mil/yr. sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Guys, look at the thread title again. Do you see the question mark? Because I included that important qualifier from the very start for a reason. The ESPN blurb, confirmed by the talking heads on the NFL Network, didn't claim that a deal had been completed or was even close. What it claimed was that Arrington had finally made a choice about where he wanted to play, and real negotiations had begun. Frankly, I considered both of those things to be significant as Arrington had finally picked his choice from the 4 teams that have showed roughly the same level of interest in him, and negotiations were said to have moved past exchanging broad proposals and had entered into real "nut & Bolt" swapping. Now, if those negotiations have gone off the rail, or are merely stalled, then that's news. But I still think it's significant that LaVar was said to have picked the Giants, a team that was always rumored to be his first choice, and contract negotiations had been started, presumably at his request. Now that things have stalled it's probably fair to claim now that the Bengals hopes are still alive, but I'm guessing the odds of Arrington signing with any team other than the Giants have been dramatically reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 What did they eat? They ate breakfast Arrington is doing the same thing with the Giants reports he did with the Cincy reports.. TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO BID ON HIM.We won't sign him. We didn't even bring him to town. It ain't gonna happen. Get over it.Actually Lavar came to Cincinnati and had breakfast with Marvin.It wasn`t an "official" meeting though...It doesn't count if it's not official enough to do anything but eat breakfast and pretend that you are talking contracts. The Bengals didn't bring Lavar to town, Lavar came to town and asked Marvin to eat with him. If Steve Young came to town and ate breakfast with Marvin, would we have any reason to think HE was going to sign? No.Steve Young has been retired for years. He isn`t looking to play in the NFL anymore.Lavar isn`t retired and is looking to play in the NFL...Lavar is a Free Agent. The Bengals have been reported as "showing interest".Marvin even talked about Lavar on the team Official website.Personally, I don`t think the Bengals are going to sign Lavar. But I`m sure Lavar came to Cincinnati for more than to have breakfast with Marvin. Maybe theyrealized that there was no need for an "official visit" after getting a feelwhere each other stood after breakfast...The ONLY one to report that the Bengals are showing interest in Lavar is.. that's right..... LAVAR'S Agent!Actually Marvin said he was interested and others in the Front office were also interested.But meh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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