icehole3 Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I pulled out my Sporting News from 2005 and compared it against this years magazine. One thing I noticed is they have a section on guys with character issues and in 2005 we took 2 of the top 5 guys in Odell and Henry. Not a big deal considering it looks as though Henry will be with the Bengals after his NFL suspension of possibly 4 games. Would Marvin take the same approach once again seeing he was rewarded with bigtime production? Why not. Anyway the Sporting News for 2005 had these guys in their top 5:1.Mike Williams USC drafted by DetroitThey claimed he was immature and with him sitting out a year made him a risk as well. His report card for the 2005 season went like this, they gave him a D and said he has potential but was immature about what it took to become a professional.2.Marlon Jackson Mich drafted by IndySaid Jackson was suspended by Mich in 2003 after an assault charge. His report card for 2005 was a B, they said he was physical in coverage and against the run.3.Odell and Henry was 5We all know about their history at Georgia and West Virginia, Odell's report card was an A-, they say he made an impact with agressive downhill playing style. They gave Henry a C saying his 2 arrests cloud his future.The other kid was Chris Canty who went to Dallas He had a ton of inuries and he graded out as B+ last year once he got healthy.This years top 5 look like this1.Marcus Vick VT, we can debate him all day long. I think this knucklehead shouldnt even get drafted and is one more headline from Arena football.2.A.J. Nicholson OLB Fla St. He was the leading tackler and was arrested for DUI and charged with resisting arrest after a woman accused him of sexual assault. They think he wont be a first day selection. I say pass, but wouldnt be surprised if he ends up in Bengal stripes then prison stripes.3.Bernard Pollard SS Purdue. Inability to control his emotions led to Tiller suspending him 3 days after a verbal confrontation with him. Sounds like he is a perfect fit for the Bengals in the second day. He's a big SS who is a great run supporter with decent speed.4.Ernie Sims OLB Fls St. Arrested after a fight with his girlfriend but the charges were dropped. Solid second round talent with great speed.5.Dominique Byrd TE USC. A fight with his teamate led to a broken jaw also had academic problems. There's our TE.Others of note: Winston Justice OT USC, suspended for flashing a pellet gun at another student but is a top run-blocking tackle.DeMario Minter CB Georgia, another Georgia guy fellows. Arrested on a misdemeanor drug charge as a freshman but was dominant is his career at Georgia.Im not saying we will draft any of these guys just saying if Marvin follows last year's recipe dont be surprised if these guys fall in our lap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I can't believe what's his name... Dusty Devorack (sp) isn't on that list... He's got mad alcohol problems and has all kinds of issues. He also hits like a f*ckin truck !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 """Others of note:Winston Justice OT USC, suspended for flashing a pellet gun at another student but is a top run-blocking tackle.""""OH NO lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Would Marvin take the same approach once again seeing he was rewarded with bigtime production? Why not.I can't tell if you're serious or not, but I think you're mis-stating Marvin's approach.There's a difference between grabbing a guy who dropped in the draft because of off-field problems that you think can be overcome...and deliberately going after guys you know are bad because you're willing to take the chance that they'll be able to stay out of prison.I don't think Marvin would have drafted Chris Henry if he knew there was a good chance Henry would end up arrested before the end of his first season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole3 Posted March 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Would Marvin take the same approach once again seeing he was rewarded with bigtime production? Why not.I can't tell if you're serious or not, but I think you're mis-stating Marvin's approach.I think what Marvin is doing is simple. His first pick will be a guy of first round ability who he thinks will fill a need. His next 2 or 3 picks will be of guys who drop in the draft with the thinking being unless the guy has commited a felony, we can deal with his character or he will behave under his watch. In turn what you have is every year 3 or 4 guys who are very productive. Thats what i meant by this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 As far as I can tell, icehole3 is just another account Spain uses to drop more useless drivel on us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cover2 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 So if you get an F you probably killed at least one person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I think what Marvin is doing is simple. His first pick will be a guy of first round ability who he thinks will fill a need. His next 2 or 3 picks will be of guys who drop in the draft with the thinking being unless the guy has commited a felony, we can deal with his character or he will behave under his watch. In turn what you have is every year 3 or 4 guys who are very productive. Thats what i meant by this post.Thanks for explaining yourself, but now you make less sense than before.1. In 3 drafts, Marvin has never "filled a need" in the first round. In the first round he picks "impact" players regardless of position. 2. Out of 27 picks (9 in '03, 11 in '04, and 7 in '05), Marvin has arguably taken chances on 4 players --- Dennis Weathersby in '03, Stacy Andrews in '04, Odell and Henry in '05. Personally, I think Weathersby was a bigger gamble than Odell. Out of those 4 picks, he got 1 starter, 1 backup with potential, 1 cripple, and 1 wannabe gangster. That doesn't make for a very strong argument.3. Assuming you're right, and Marvin drafts 2-3 criminals with his first 3-4 picks, he won't get 3 or 4 "very productive" players a year. Nobody drafts that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Would Marvin take the same approach once again seeing he was rewarded with bigtime production? Why not.I can't tell if you're serious or not, but I think you're mis-stating Marvin's approach.I think what Marvin is doing is simple. His first pick will be a guy of first round ability who he thinks will fill a need. His next 2 or 3 picks will be of guys who drop in the draft with the thinking being unless the guy has commited a felony, we can deal with his character or he will behave under his watch. In turn what you have is every year 3 or 4 guys who are very productive. Thats what i meant by this post. Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole3 Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 As far as I can tell, icehole3 is just another account Spain uses to drop more useless drivel on usWell... I tried to spark some conversation. I guess I'll go back to just reading posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 As far as I can tell, icehole3 is just another account Spain uses to drop more useless drivel on usWell... I tried to spark some conversation. I guess I'll go back to just reading posts.Toughen up there ice. This thread may have potential. But Coach Lewis doesn't pick a player because he is a bad boy; only if the potential value exceeds the potential knuckleheadedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 The coach has explained his reasoning on this matter in a couple of interviews. If a guy has had some off field issues but owns up to them ..... says he made a mistake and learned from it .... then the coach is a lot more likely to give him a shot. Chris Henry has completed his rehab .... and according to the article in the paper, was pretty contrite in court. IF he is on the up and up .... and convinces the coach that this was a relapse and nothing more, then he has a good chance at being allowed to work his way out of the Coach Lewis Doghouse. If he trips up again ?????? I don't think there's a whole lot of doubt abuot what will happen with him.I did some dumb stuff around that age as well ........... not to the degree that Henry did, but then he's got more money to work with than I did. I had to screw up within my budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I did some dumb stuff around that age as well ........... not to the degree that Henry did, but then he's got more money to work with than I did. I had to screw up within my budget.Amen to that Redsfan.This might be the best quote ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whodey420 Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 You had to screw up within your budget? lol The gun was stolen wasnt it? That would mean "free, no cost" Seems the amount of weed he was caught with was about $10-$20 worth. Is that not within your budget?Damn I thought I was a broke mo-fo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 You had to screw up within your budget? lol The gun was stolen wasnt it? That would mean "free, no cost" Seems the amount of weed he was caught with was about $10-$20 worth. Is that not within your budget?Damn I thought I was a broke mo-fo. He got caught with that $10 to $20 * dollar value of herb while driving around in a Cadillac Escalade. The stolen gun ...... he tried to ditch into the window of the limo that he was being driven around in. The legal fees for both have to be costly for anyones bank account ...... court appointed lawyers ( like I could afford are "costly " in other ways.If Caddys and limos don't seem expensive to you ... then you aren't as broke as you let on. In my case ... the gun AND the Caddy would both have been stolen. * ( guess there's no such thing as a nickel bag anymore ) ........... if you don't know what a nickel bag is .... go ask your Dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 What character issue aside from Henry?? All teams have the same problem.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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