Kazkal Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 So how much is his bonus if he signs with the vikings? seems kinda messed up that they can put in a contract if so and so isen't the highest payed player on team for area he plays he gets a insane signing bonus upfront...seems like it will make transition player tag useless if I understand this correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Heard the Seahawks might be willing to match the offer the Vikings threw at him as well as looking at Abraham. Per Kffl.comWHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Regardless this will affect the re-signing of Eric Steinbach and B. Williams...Be interesting to see how the O-line is addressed in this year's draft....May give us an indication of how the Bengal's will be looking to re-sign the O-liners.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 So how much is his bonus if he signs with the vikings? seems kinda messed up that they can put in a contract if so and so isen't the highest payed player on team for area he plays he gets a insane signing bonus upfront...The signing bonus isn't the issue, it's that if the Hawks match then under the terms of the contract, the whole $50 million deal becomes guaranteed. In other words, it becomes a baseball contract. That doesn't have anything to do with the transition tag per se, it's just a "poison pill" in the deal to try to keep the Hawks from matching. Hutch would be the highest-paid Vike in '06, so the guarantee wouldn't go into effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 $16 millionNot enough IMO for that type of player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Mega-ballsy move by the Hawks...Seahawks | Team expected to match offer sheet for HutchinsonThu, 16 Mar 2006 14:36:53 -0800KFAN Sports Radio AM 1130 of Minneapolis reports the Seattle Seahawks are expected to match the offer sheet for OG Steve Hutchinson Thursday, March 16. Hutchinson has a clause in his contract that he will be the highest-paid player on the team or the contract is guaranteed in full. However, the clause is not considered to be a "principle term" of the agreement, meaning the Seahawks would only be forced to match the duration and monetary structure of the deal. It is speculated this situation could be brought to an arbitrator for a final ruling.Jets tried something like this with the Chad Morton deal a few years ago...and lost...hard for me to see how a clause that would guarantee the deal isn't a principle termhttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...orton_redskins/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 So how much is his bonus if he signs with the vikings? seems kinda messed up that they can put in a contract if so and so isen't the highest payed player on team for area he plays he gets a insane signing bonus upfront...The signing bonus isn't the issue, it's that if the Hawks match then under the terms of the contract, the whole $50 million deal becomes guaranteed. In other words, it becomes a baseball contract. That doesn't have anything to do with the transition tag per se, it's just a "poison pill" in the deal to try to keep the Hawks from matching. Hutch would be the highest-paid Vike in '06, so the guarantee wouldn't go into effect.thats why i thought it was messed up was because doesn't go in effect if he's a viking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Headed to arbitration...Seahawks | Hutchinson's fate delayedFri, 17 Mar 2006 13:34:00 -0800Gregg Bell, of the Associated Press, reports the future fate of Seattle Seahawks transition free agent OG Steve Hutchinson will be decided by an arbitration process. That will delay the Sunday deadline, March 19, for the team to match an offer to Hutchinson by the Minnesota Vikings. The NFL Players Association said Friday, March 17, that the league has filed a claim on behalf of the Seahawks contending a clause in the offer sheet Hutchinson signed with the Vikings last weekend circumvents the league's labor contract. The clause in question would guarantee Hutchinson the entire contract sum if Hutchinson is not the team's highest-paid offensive lineman. NFL spokesman Michael Signora confirmed that the NFL had filed the case. Richard Berthelsen, general counsel for the NFLPA, said the union will argue against the Seahawks' and league's claims. "They say the clause circumvents our collective bargaining agreement. It is our belief that it does not," Berthelsen said. Berthelsen said the union's interpretation of the issue is that the clause is permitted by the CBA because it is a "principal term" of the agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Per kffl, the "special master" has ruled against the Seahawks. They have until 9 to match or Hutch becomes a Vike.According to Florio over at pft, the "hawks and the NFL apparently tried to run a bait-and-switch. They initially brought the case claiming that the "guarantee" provision was not a "principal term." But once they got in they dropped that argument and said it didn't matter because they redid Walter Jones' contract and Hutch would be the highest-paid guy. The NFLPA argued that the guarantee still stood because he wouldn't be the highest paid player at all points during the league year (in other words it was already too late to redo Jones' deal) and apparently they won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 damn vikings driving up price for guards why coulden't they do that after we sign eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 damn vikings driving up price for guards why coulden't they do that after we sign ericEhhh. The Hutch deal certainly doesn't help, but Steinbach was going to cost serious coin anyhow. Not only is he a good guard, but has shown he can deliver solid play at LT and C as well. That combination of talent at his primary spot and proven versatility all along the line is something teams will throw mountains of money at if he ever hits FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 aye he deserved money and more happy giving it to him lol just wish we could have had him signed before this deal lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Didn't take long for the Hawks to do something with the money they didn't use to match Hutch...Seahawks | Team reaches agreement with PetersonMon, 20 Mar 2006 20:56:05 -0800Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Seattle Seahawks have reached an agreement with free agent LB Julian Peterson to a seven-year contract worth $54 million. The deal includes $18.5 million in guarantees, including $10 million for the 2006 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 what does seattle get for draft picks for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Hawks get nothing. The transition tag only allows you the right to match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 damn vikings driving up price for guards why coulden't they do that after we sign ericEhhh. The Hutch deal certainly doesn't help, but Steinbach was going to cost serious coin anyhow. Not only is he a good guard, but has shown he can deliver solid play at LT and C as well. That combination of talent at his primary spot and proven versatility all along the line is something teams will throw mountains of money at if he ever hits FA.Like Alfred Einstein used to say hindsight is 50-50.....Mike Brown will be rubbing his rump for awhile if the Bengals do decide to extend Steinbach. He would've fetched a good bit for starters but I gotta think he'd have been a helluva lot cheaper before the CBA got extended and before this monster deal for Hutchinson.What a cheap parlor trick the Vikings pulled, eh? Bout as bad as the Max Montoya handshake. Let that be a lesson not to transition a player worthy of franchise designation. The Seahawks got a good draft to get a replacement, though, and shouldn't be too bad off with Pork Chop Womack or even Chris Spencer ready to step in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 aren't they reveiwing the contract where vikings may actually have pay him more then they thought?Do you only get a pick if their RFA? next year can we tender willie so cost a team where he was drafted to sign him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 The Seahawks might end up with a compensatory pick like we did when TKO left for the Bills...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 the year after and be 3rd no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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