HairOnFire Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 I'm not a big fan of draft guides, but I always buy one each year just so I have a handy source of info on late round prospects I may not have seen, and a source for info about young players who shake loose over the next year or two. Thus, I just spent $7 American for the Pro Football Weekly Draft guide. I admit that's probably $6 more than it's worth, but luckily I have more money than brains. Also available for immediate purchase is the 1st ever ESPN draft guide, which I left upon the shelf due to it's higher price and incredibly gimmicky format. You've been warned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 TSN's guide also has hit shelves. I was upset this year. Normally they have great mocks, but they the Bengals taking Mangold in round 1. WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 That's as bad as us taking Hagan in the 1st... Good GOD that is rediculous...Did Hagan ever find his hands that he lost ???WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalChamps Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 With so much info on the net, why purchase a guide? Is there anything in them that you cant get elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 With so much info on the net, why purchase a guide? Is there anything in them that you cant get elsewhere? Nope. But I do like the format of the PFW guide and I value their scouting reports more than most found on the web. And like I said, I like a quick reference source for mostly unknown players who bounce around the bottom of NFL rosters for a few years. BTW, the funniest line I've stumbled upon in the PFW guide was written at the expense of one of my favorite players. They said of Tye Hill...."Larger NFL wideouts will crack peanut shells off the top of his helmet." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepudgester Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 The SportingNews guide is always the best around this time. I have the PFW and have to say...it's absolutely horrible...They have John McCargo as a First Rounder. This is not the only absolutely crazy projection as there are many throughout the book...stay away from PFW's Guide.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I still like the Drug Store List myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 The SportingNews guide is always the best around this time. I have the PFW and have to say...it's absolutely horrible...They have John McCargo as a First Rounder. This is not the only absolutely crazy projection as there are many throughout the book...stay away from PFW's Guide.. Pudge, you're telling people to stay away from a guide you purchased. What up wid dat? BTW, the best thing about the Sporting News guide is it's 7 round value board, a feature so historically inaccurate that it guarantees endless message board fights about which player was drafted 2 rounds earlier than justified. Or which draft day bargain was left behind while the team stupidly drafted somebody else. Wait for it. It'll come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepudgester Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I ran in the store and picked up the first one I saw... It was PFW. I think I already lost it. For some reason TSN's guide, though not neccessarily accurate, always is good read. I doubt they have McCargo graded out as a 1st Rounder.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I ran in the store and picked up the first one I saw... It was PFW. I think I already lost it. For some reason TSN's guide, though not neccessarily accurate, always is good read. I doubt they have McCargo graded out as a 1st Rounder.... Be fair. They state right in the overview that McCargo "could be drafted higher than anyone expects", and give him a 1st OR 2nd round grade. As for where the actually predict him to go...in their 1st round mock he's not included. BTW, you could actually check where TSN ranks McCargo, no guessing required...if you haven't lost that guide too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Army--your comment implies that Hagan actually had hands at one time...The CYA going on in these guides is pretty common...it is done so that they can say..."See, we considered him a sleeper!", should one of those guys go early.Poor Tye Hill, maybe if he could cover Tim Dwight all the time, he'd be a Pro Bowler....<connection to another thread about Walter replacements> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 I ran in the store and picked up the first one I saw... It was PFW. I think I already lost it. For some reason TSN's guide, though not neccessarily accurate, always is good read. I doubt they have McCargo graded out as a 1st Rounder.... Be fair. They state right in the overview that McCargo "could be drafted higher than anyone expects", and give him a 1st OR 2nd round grade. As for where the actually predict him to go...in their 1st round mock he's not included. BTW, you could actually check where TSN ranks McCargo, no guessing required...if you haven't lost that guide too. Every joke needs a punchline. Ready for this one? The Sporting News Draft Guide doesn't mention McCargo at all. From 1st rounder to undrafted free agent they didn't rank him amongst any of the DT's or DE's. I even checked the player index included at the back of the guide. Nothing. No kidding, apparently they just forgot about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 With so much info on the net, why purchase a guide? Is there anything in them that you cant get elsewhere?It makes for good bathroom material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 McCargo proly does get looked at in the late 1st-early 2nd in part because of the weakness of the DT class this year. But there's still some questions that teams will have to seriously ponder before considering him in the 2nd:1. How effective at backfield penetration will he be not playing beside a DE as dominant as Mario Williams?2. Will the foot stress fracture that kept him out of many games last year continue to cause him problems?3. Will he fall to the Mathias Askew syndrome? Another early entry who could be a 1st rounder as a senior but only ready enough now to be viewed as nothing more than a 4th round project?As for Tye Hill....that little fella will be just fine vs. taller WRs with his 41-inch vertical and feet as fast as his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 As for Tye Hill....that little fella will be just fine vs. taller WRs with his 41-inch vertical and feet as fast as his. Agreed, but the peanut shell remark was too good to ignore. The only description I've read that comes close was another player being described as a "rolling ball of butcher knives". Back to McCargo. I've heard Mayoch rank him higher than Watson, as does the PFW guide, and both claimed that the only reason Watson might be drafted ahead of McCargo is due to the rarity of DT's who fit a 3-4 scheme. His biggest negative is almost always related to his conditioning, but he's said to be smart and hardworking, and Mayoch claimed that he had impressed scouts by improving his body prior to the combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 No doubt Watson gets the nod at the nose. Questions wise, seems like half of the Day 1 DTs got them -- Watson, Dvoracek, Wroten, McCargo, Orien Harris and Rod Wright for a rolling ball of butchers knives' worth of reasons. Mayock like others have probably hyped McCargo up from the start based on his league draft evaluation before entering early. As in the reverse of what happened to Chad Jackson, who had his feet cut out from underneath him for a while because he came out with a 4th round projection.Still, McCargo has the quality of getting into the backfield that puts him up there with Wroten.The Bengals could probably do worse than picking Watson and could end up with a steal if he decides he wants to pan out. But it looks like the wrong pick to me because the same qualities in a DT that Watson has should be available in LeKevin Smith in the 4th or 5th round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omahacolt Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 The SportingNews guide is always the best around this time. I have the PFW and have to say...it's absolutely horrible...They have John McCargo as a First Rounder. This is not the only absolutely crazy projection as there are many throughout the book...stay away from PFW's Guide..i agreei bought pfw's for the first time this year. it is horrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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