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LB is not a 1st round need, more like a middle round option. Pollack, Thurman, Simmons with Landon Johnson, Caleb Miller as backups. Ok, so we need some more depth, but we're not talking 1st round...
I like Cooper Wallace, he seems to fit, but 3rd round? Wallace may be there in the 5th and will probably be there in the 4th. Tim Day is a good fit in the 3rd.
Montgomery would be a steal in the 7th, however do you really think we need to throw 2 more DT's. As you said with Smith and Askew, there is a bit of depth, though not great. But 6 DT's seems unlikely...
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No about Bunkley going to us...don't see it happening. Look at the sig. and you will see who I like for that spot...
Oh ok. I think that pick could go many ways, yet I see Bunkley as the Bengals best bet at #24. I have explained why already, I guess as you said, just a little disagreement. I respect your opinion, and I'd have no problem with Simpson.
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I still disagree with you about #5, but hey this is what this forum is for, disagreement! Ha, but hey the rest of your mock i think is pretty good. I think you almost nailed every teams needs head on. Good Mock.
The Vernon Davis pick? If so, as I said, I disagree with myself. I think they will trade the pick, Davis is not a good value at 6, but neither is Holmes, and they don't need a RB. So as I said, I think if the Niners stay at 6, Vernon Davis is their guy.
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Problem...you have Winston Justice all the way at #28!?!?! Are you kidding. This Kid will go to Detriot or Arizona. Eric Winston IMO, after watching Senior Bowl Practices lost his first round potential.
Winston Justice has big time character issues. He is a great talent, and he could very well become a Pro Bowl LT, yet those character guys fall. (For Example: Chris Henry, Randy Moss, Anttaj Hawthorne, etc.)
Eric Winston has retained his 1st round value for the time being, but instead of early 1st, he will likely go late 1st, possibly to someone like the Panthers (27) or Buccaneers (23)
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I have 5 problems...
1. Vernon Davis won't go that high.
2. Jay Cutler will go to Oakland or Arizona
3.Winston Justice will be in the top 15
4.Where is Derrick Haggan?
5. Bengals will draft Ko Simpson..that woud be a bad move drafting Ko if I were the Steelers, IMO.
You have 5 questions, I have 5 answers.
1. To tell you the truth, I don't think so either. I think the Niners will trade down and the Browns will move up to get Ngata. However, the 49ers got 224 yds a game on offense last year and it is hard to say they need more help on defense. Davis could be that big-play threat they lacked a year ago. It would be DeAngelo Williams, but Frank Gore looked promising in his rookie campaign Vernon Davis is the pick because no WR is worth a Top 15 pick this year.
2. Jay Cutler does go to Arizona in my mock.
3. Justice has struggled in his career with big time character issues, history tells us these kind of guys slip on draft day. His talent is Top 15 calibur, I'm not doubting that at all.
4. Derek Hagan lowered his draft stock dramatically at the Senior Bowl, he could catch a ball and looked like he had below average speed, not to mention being smaller than scouts originally thought (6'1 203) Hagan is likely to go in the 3rd round.
5. Bunkley fits the Bengals needs, a quick disruptive tackle with the size and strength to maintain his gaps as a run defender, he had 23.5 TFL this season. He is also a strong pass-rusher who would free up the edge rushers like Smith, Geathers, and Pollack, as well as get some interior pressure. There are also several S prospects in the 2nd round area, Donte Whitner, Greg Blue, and Bernard Pollard all fit the bill as strong run-supporters from the S position.
Read the reasoning for the Steelers, it should answer your question.
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Mock Draft I 1/29/06
--Doing a Mock Draft in January is crazy, there might be 3 of your picks right, it is like peeing in the dark, you’ll miss way more than you get. So I’m just going to have a little fun with this and pee in the dark…All suggestions are welcome of course.--
1. Houston Texans- Reggie Bush, RB, USC- The nearly unanimous #1 pick. Personally, I don't like it, the Texans have a solid back in Domanick Davis, and a stud KR in Jerome Mathis. I just really don't see Bush drastically helping this team, he is a great player no doubt about that, but going to Houston just doesn't make too much sense. However, until a trade occurs I suppose this is the pick.
2. New Orleans Saints- Matt Leinart, QB, USC- New Orleans tried their luck with a scrambler before in Aaron Brooks and obviously it didn't end up too great. This year, they will take a winner, the NCAA's equivalent to Tom Brady, and that, obviously is Leinart. The guy has the tools to be a great pro, physical skills and a very good mentality. The Saints are a talented team and I believe Leinart will make the most of that surrounding talent.
3. Tennessee Titans- Vince Young, QB, Texas- Could very well be the #1 or #2 pick in this draft, yet he falls to 3 and Tennessee jumps on him. The guy has a special bond with McNair and may sit out a year and apprentice under McNair even more, just like the Bengals did with Carson Palmer and Jon Kitna. Young showed this year that he is not only an incredible athlete and football player but he can only win the tight ones. Texas would've likely been around 8-3 without him at best. He may be this year's best pro prospect.
4. New York Jets- D'Brickashaw Feguson, OT, Virginia- Simply put: The guy dominates games. A big guy with long arms and quick feet, he should be franchise tackle for the Jets, who's offensive line was beaten up all season. An amazing pass blocker who may rank up there with some of the best OT prospects in this decade. He is also having an extremely good week in the Senior Bowl practices and it has been reported that the Jets have been talking to this guy.
5. Green Bay Packers- A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State- As you all know, Hawk is a personal favorite of mine. He's a pretty big guy with good speed and exceptional instincts. Hawk would quickly become a leader for this weak Packers defense, and would be an immediate force. The best LB prospect in years. He can blitz, he's solid in coverage, and stout against the run. This two-time All-American LB would likely provide the most immediate help for this below average unit.
6. San Francisco 49ers- Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland- Sure the 49ers could use some upgrades on defense, however after watching them last season it is hard not to give them an offensive player here. Vernon Davis is an absolute freak, he's strong and fast, with great hands. With Davis, the 49ers would have a nice threat to stretch the field and a safety blanket for Alex Smith. Though I think Davis is a reach here, I do believe it is a good pick for the Niners. San Francisco is a prime candidate to trade down and that could very well happen too.
7. Oakland Raiders- Michael Huff, SS, Texas- Oakland had five Int’s this past year. No, that’s not a typo, no I don’t mean one player, the team had five interceptions. Their projected starter next year at SS is Jarrod Cooper, ever heard of him? Needless to say, I think the Raiders can afford to reach a bit here and take Huff. The guy can also contribute at CB, and really had a great year for Texas. With Mario Williams still available, this is more of a need pick then a value pick.
8. Buffalo Bills- Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon- Pat Williams left them last year and the defense just collapsed. This year, Ron Edwards is expected to leave and Sam Adams is really aging. Needless to say, they could use a DT right about now, maybe two. Ngata’s stock has been constantly on the rise and would immediately beef up the Bills front four. The Bills just better hope Ngata’s still there at #8.
9. Detroit Lions- Mario Williams, DE, NC State- The Lions get lucky as one of the draft's top players fall into their lap all the way down at #9. They resist the urge to take another WR and take Williams. Mario Williams will be an immediate starter and contributor for Detroit, and could probably crack double digits in sacks within his first couple years in the league. Easy pick here, other possibilities are Chad Greenway, Winston Justice, Eric Winston, and Marcus McNeill.
10. Arizona Cardinals- Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt- At this point this pick is a reach and the Cardinals could definitley go a different direction with this. If Vernon Davis is here, he's the pick, yet he's gone so the Cards will have to take a chance on this guy. All week at the Senior Bowl he had his ups and downs, great tools, but questionable decision making. At Vanderbilt he had no weapons, he goes into the desert with a roster loaded with young offensive talent. I think he will develop into a good player, but I'm not sure if he's a starter his rookie season.
11. St. Louis Rams- Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech- No matter how many mid-round picks the Rams spend trying to put together a good secondary it just doesn’t work, finally they will burn a 1st round pick on a CB. Now I’m not the biggest Williams fan, so I will just make a note that Tye Hill could be the pick here if he runs an insane 40. As of right now though, Williams is the guy.
12. Cleveland Browns- Manny Lawson, OLB, NC State- Rumors say the Browns really like this guy. This is certainly a reach at this point, yet if he runs maybe under a 4.55 at the combine we all may stop scratching our heads and agree. He’s not the physical freak Merriman was a year ago, but Lawson is a tall, smart, pass-rusher who could develop into a very good rush LB in Crennel’s 3-4 scheme. As I have said before, and extra 10 pounds would be nice to boost the guy up to 250 and make him more of a balanced LB. I figure he will adjust to LB better than Matthias Kiwanuka would, so Lawson is my pick here, deal with it.
13. Baltimore Ravens- DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis- An OT is a very strong possibility here, however, after watching the Senior Bowl the Ravens will realize that with Williams they are not only filling a hole, but also grabbing the best player available. DeAngelo Williams may be small, but he is compact and runs tough, he's got great speed and quickness and is a real home run threat. He displayed soft hands in the Senior Bowl game and elusiveness after the catch. OT is a strong possibility here, and it will be tough to pass on Huff if he falls to them, however with Huff gone, Williams is the pick.
14. Philadelphia Eagles- Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa- The Eagles are patient and both their guys, Greenway and McNeill fall to them. athey decide to target the more pressing need and take the big LB out of Iowa. Greenway solidified his spot as the #2 LB in Mobile this weekend and the Eagles really are lucky for him to fall this far. With the lack of size in their LB core, Greenway is the perfect solution at 6'3 240.
15. Atlanta Falcons- Eric Winston, OT, Miami- It is not a secret, the Falcons need to protect Michael Vick better, especially his bind side. With Winston they get one of the draft's top pass blockers. Winston is a huge guy at 6'6 310, and has great upside. DE and S are two other needs here, making Matthias Kiwanuka, Tamba Hali, and Ko Simpson all possibilities. It is unanimous, though, that OT is their most glaring need as of right now, and what they need is a pass-blocker, Eric Winston is the man here over Justice and Scott.
16. Miami Dolphins- Tye Hill, CB, Clemson- Right now this may be considered a bit of a reach but after the combine it may very well be a steal. The guy looked great the whole Senior Bowl week, this draft's best cover corner without a doubt. If the guy were to run a 4.3 flat or possibly under, I think he is a top 15 pick and a steal here. The Dolphins need a corner for several reasons, Sam Madison will be 32 next year and is not the player he used to be and I'm really not sure if Travis Daniels is starting calibur.
17. Minnesota Vikings- LenDale White, RB, USC- The Vikings should be thrilled White fell this far. Finally, they get a bruising redzone guy who could probably carry the load for the team and take 25-30 carries a game if needed. White has decent speed for his size, but obviously his main strength is his power, especially inside the redzone. I don't understand how you can split time with the nation's most electrifying player and still get more than 20 Td's, it is just crazy to think about it. DeMeco Ryans is another guy the Vikings could be targeting, but with White on the board they shouldn't have to think twice.
18. Dallas Cowboys- Marcus McNeill, OT, Auburn- Mcneill is a steal and a great fit in Dallas. A dominating run blocker to pave the way for Julius Jones and Marion Barber. At 6'9 340 Marcus McNeill is a very intimidating LT, probably the biggest player in this draft. Still a bit raw, more so in the pass-blocking aspect of the position, but with a little teaching McNeill could be an elite LT. Santonio Holmes will be considered here also because of the Cowboys age problems at WR, however LT seems to be the more immediate concern.
19. San Diego Chargers- Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State- Keenan McCardell is 36 and Eric Parker really doesn't look like a #1 receiver, Santonio Holmes on the other hand is a polished player who could come in and make a difference immediately for the Chargers. This draft is very thin with quality WR's, in reality there may be only one with a future as a #1 receiver, that would be Holmes. Holmes is a great route runner, with good speed and quickness. He gets good separation and has very good hands, by far the most polished receiver in this class. Ko Simpson is another strong possibilty here, as is an OT.
20. Kansas City Chiefs- Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas- Willie Roaf will be 36 next season and now is the time to start looking for his replacement. The Chiefs were extremely interested in Scott for the entire Senior Bowl week, talking to him several times for pretty long periods of time. This makes sense considering Scott is a developmental prospect at LT. The guy is only considered a project because of his strength problems, you wouldn't expect that at 6'6 310. The guy has lots of potential and if any team can develop him, I think it is the Chiefs. Jay Cutler, Santonio Holmes, Tye Hill, and Marcus McNeill will also be considered if they are available.
21. New England Patriots- DeMeco Ryans, ILB, Alabama- This was a pick I was not so sure about. Cromartie, at this point, does not deserve to be the 21st pick, even though he has the tools, so the Pats should just put off that need until the 2nd round. New England would be thrilled to see Ryans fall this far, it’d be a great value for them. Also, ILB’s for their 3-4 is a need for them, so it would also be a need pick. I also considered Abdul Hodge here after his impressive week in Mobile, however Ryans would be the better value here.
22. Denver Broncos (from WSH)- Matthias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College- The Broncos had just 28 sacks a year ago, 6 total from their starting DE's Courtney Brown and Trevor Pryce. Kiwanuka is expected to become a great edge rusher in this league, he has great size at 6'6 258 and great speed. This is a guy who has been stalked by NFL scouts for the past four years because of his athletic and pass-rushing ability. The Broncos could also go DT here with Rodrique Wright or Broderick Bunkley, or they could opt for DE Tamba Hali, but I believe Kiwanuka is a great value here who would quickly upgrade the Broncos D-Line.
23. Tampa Bay Buccanneers- Winston Justice, OT, USC- The Bucs allowed 41 sacks a year ago, and had the 25th ranked passing offense in the league last year. Needless to say, a pass-blocker might be their best bet to solve this problem. Justice is a big guy at 6'6 300 with excellent skills and pure athletic ability, particularly in pass-blocking however, the guy is a headcase making him a risky pick. Justice could easily be a Top 10 pick if it wasn't for his off-the-field problems, and he may very well fall out of the 1st round completely similar to Anttaj Hawthorne a year ago. Talent here overshadows character, making Justice at 23 a nice value pick, we'll just have to see if the guy can keep his act together.
24. Cincinnati Bengals- Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State- Before you say the Bengals can't stop the run and Wright would be a better fit, look at the facts. The Bengals recorded 28 sacks last year and Justin Smith had to fight off double teams all year, Bunkley is the top pass-rusher at DT, Bunkley beefed up to 300 lbs, making him more of a dual threat. In reality, I'd be very happy if we were to get Bunkley, I think it'd be a steal, I just hope he is not gone by then. Bunkley is disruptive, big, and strong and should start immediately for the Bengals, this guy will hope both the pass-rush and the run defense. Darnell Bing and Rodrique Wright are two other possibilities.
25. New York Giants- Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State- The Giants take a chance here and select a very undersized LB who they hope can turn into a Jonathan Vilma like performer. If Sims were two inches taller and 15 pounds heavier, we'd be talking about him in the Top 10. But, he's not, and we're not, and this remains a reach because of his size. Sims is a very fast, agressive LB who has everything except for the size. Thomas Howard, Antonio Cromartite, Claude Wroten, and Rodrique Wright all remain possibilities here.
26. Chicago Bears- Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia- If there is one guy in this draft who has mismatch written all over him it is Pope. At 6'7 250 Pope is fast and displays good hands. He gets good separation and is a big threat downfield and in the redzone. He's still a bit raw but he may have the chance to start in a Bears offense that has struggled getting big plays. Pope is not too much of a blocker, but has some potential with his long arms and he could add some weight to his frame. A good fit in Chicago.
27. Carolina Panthers- Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas- Right now the Panthers have injury-prone Kris Jenkins and againg Brenston Buckner at DT, so it is easy to figure out that they'd like another disruptive force inside to help free up Rucker and Peppers on the edges. With Wright, the massive DT from Texas, Carolina easily has the most intimidating Defensive Line in the NFL. Wright cannot be left alone or even usually in a 1 on 1 situation, he will take away double teams on the outside, freeing up Peppers and Rucker. Other possibilitis are OT if one of the top-tier one's fall this far, Maurice Stovall or Martin Nance, or possibly Laurence Maroney.
28. Jacksonville Jaguars- Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State- Jack Del Rio will be doing cartwheels if Hali falls this far. Finally he will get the 4th piece to his all-star line in Penn State's Tamba Hali. Now this will be a defensive line that will challenge the statement in my pick above. Hali is polished enough to make a good impact his rookie season, though slightly undersized, Hali is fast, strong and uses his hands well. He is pretty quick and has some nice pass-rushing moves. Hali is a Top 15 calibur player and will be a major steal at 28. Other possibilities include a CB such as Antonio Cromartie or a RB such as Laurence Maroney.
29. Denver Broncos- Maurice Stovall, WR, Notre Dame- Denver has several fast and quick WR's but what they don't have is a 6'4 216 WR who will be physical and go up and get balls. It is hard to miss this giant target at WR. Stovall is also a good blocker. Now most of you may say that Stovall is a reach here, but not really; Denver has been talking to Stovall all week at the Senior Bowl and he could be their guy if they are to opt for a WR. Also he had a good week and has moved up to the #2 Receiver spot behind Santonio Holmes. Other possibilities incude: A DT (if Bunkley or Wright is availabe) and possibly a S because John Lynch is getting a little old.
30. Indianapolis Colts- Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota- Odds are Edgerrin James is gone because of the cap. Maroney is a tremendous talent and would be a steal with the 30th pick. Maroney is fast and surprisingly powerful, yet he is not too big. He had an amazing season this year at Minnesota. His hands haven't really been tested. With Maroney the Colts offense really won't lose too much if James is to leave. A LB such as Thomas Howard is another option here.
31. Pittsburgh Steelers- Ko Simpson, FS, South Carolina- The Steelers get the steal of the First Round here as Ko Simpson, the draft's best FS falls to them at 31 or 32. With Chris Hope likely leaving as a FA, it seems like perfect timing. Simpson is an aggresive, ballhawking FS that can both hit and cover. He doesn't have too much experience, as he only played two years in college, but seems mature enough and has lots of potential. Simpson will likely be long gone by this pick, but here he is in my mock. A 3-4 DE such as Rodrique Wright, Claude Wroten or Orien Harris are other possiblities. If Randal El leaves a WR could be the pick.
32. Seattle Seahawks- Chad Jackson, WR, Florida- The Seahwaks need an explosive receiever with good hands, Jackson fits the bill. With Warrick and Jurevicius both free agents a WR is a necessity in the early rounds, and since all the 1st Round DT's are gone Jackson is the pick. Jackson has great speed and outstanding big-play potential even though his numbers wouldn't tell you that.
--Alright now I understand there are plenty of reaches and a lot of players falling, but just read my reasoning and it should make sense. I did a lot of work for this, it took me 3 days. Enjoy!--
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Hey, the Minnesota D was supposed to be pretty good too, and look what happened! However, Chicago is a little step up. I still don't believe they can really stop us. However, I see us giving up one big play that results in a Td for the Bears, maybe Orton to Muhammed. The game will not be a rout like last week... for either teams. Should be a good game, we have to really prepare ourselves for that Chicago running game. Neither individual looks great in their backfield, but they can produce. Overall, I think we control this game.
Bengals 24 Bears 13
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Well I will be at the game, I will be home on Monday in which I will post notes on the game.
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With Perry, I don't think he will really ever be the starter in Cincy until Rudi leaves or gets hurt, but I think it is not out of the question to think he will touch the ball more than most backup RB's. He has shown instincts, and the kid looks real good out there, a perfect complement to Rudi Johnson. Is he better than Rudi though? Hell no. Not yet. However, I believe they will form a feared duo in this league as soon as maybe this year. I am loving the depth we have at offensive skill positions. If one star goes down, another starter-calibur player takes his place. In conclusion, don't start getting your hopes for Perry too high, because as of now, and most likely this whole season, he is a backup and hopefully a third down back.
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Sorry that i'm excited to see the Browns pull of a win, I just wanted to let you guys know that Frye and Edwards were both looking good. That play where Edwards had the ball stripped away was just because he was in triple coverage and a guy beneath him just reached up and had more strength because he was on the bottom. His TD catch was very nice, Frye made a lot of good decisions during the game too. One more thing, so far all of our running backs have looked good, and Antonio Bryant has been playing great ball so far.
It is odd that everyone thought that Frye looked good. To me he looked average at best. 13/19 91 yds 1 Td 1 int. Sounds average. The thing you really have to consider is the yards per completion, 7. Dilfer (9/13 136 1 Td) had over 14 a completion. Carson Palmer (12/24 152 2 Td 1 int) had almost 13 per completion. Basically what I am trying to say is he didn't show much in terms of explosiveness as a QB. 2 runs for 5 yards against Detroit is also not great. I will say that he was solid but not spectacular. Four Detroit fumbles and three interceptions is just as much sloppy play from the Lions as it is good play from the Browns. I watched the game, and basically put, no one really impressed me or stood out to me on either team.
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I'm watching all the rookies and 2nd year players in particular. If I was to put them in order I would have to say...
1. Odell Thurman
2. Chris Perry
3. Chris Henry
4. Carson Palmer (2nd year in action)
5. Quincy Wilson (I'm pulling for him to win the #3 job)
Well as a little prediction, Bengals 24 Redskins 20
Also as a note: Next week I will provide a lot of coverage on the Bengals @ Eagles game, I am lucky enough to be making the trip down to the Linc for that one.
3 points off...
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I'm watching all the rookies and 2nd year players in particular. If I was to put them in order I would have to say...
1. Odell Thurman
2. Chris Perry
3. Chris Henry
4. Carson Palmer (2nd year in action)
5. Quincy Wilson (I'm pulling for him to win the #3 job)
Well as a little prediction, Bengals 24 Redskins 20
Also as a note: Next week I will provide a lot of coverage on the Bengals @ Eagles game, I am lucky enough to be making the trip down to the Linc for that one.
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Looking at those scores, it looks like you think our defense is gonna suck.
No I don't believe the defense will suck, I simply think it will take a little time for all the young players to really learn to gel as a unit, and maybe after the bye week you may see balance between offense and defense. You also have to take into factor Palmer int's that may have our D pushed up against the wall as it did a year ago. However, Palmer will be much improved and the offense should become great by the end of the year. Infact, I have him picked as a pro-bowler.
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To say anything less than 4-2 is unacceptable is well a little off. I'd draw the line at 3-3. You have to take into consideration we have a somewhat young, inexperienced defense, that on top of lack of elite personnel. Let me give you my predictions.
@. Cleveland W 34-21
vs. Minnesota L 20-27
@. Chicago W 24-13
vs. Houston W 30-24
@. Jacksonville W 23-17
@. Tennessee W 27-24
So in conclusion, I think 5-1 is a very realistic record, yet I would not be upset at all with 4-2, nor would I be outraged by 3-3. Any less however, we may have to pack up our playoff hopes for next year.
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I feel bad for the guy...
Oh well, I guess I don't mind us not picking him up.
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It was probably 32-50 (or 54) 2 TD's 1 Int
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1. Chad Johnson - Can't ask for a better attitude from a top 5 WR (considering most WRs have huge egos). Like the fact that he has decided to mentor Chris Henry because he knows it's best for the team.
What about Marvin Harrison?
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Spikes was a little better.... early 1st rounder to mid 2nd rounder has some differences...based on his talent alone though Thurman couldve been a late first rounder....still Takeo gets the edge
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Theres a problem with those picks in that last mock (see Redskins) also even with Carlos falling to 18 Minnesota still has Winfield and Smoot which is more than a formidable duo, Also Miami has made it clear that they do not want a running back at #2, but of course you never know, not a bad mock overall, not bad at all actually I'm a big Mark Clayton fan so obviously I have no problem with the mock...Without further redue thepudgester's 2005 Mock draft
1. 49ers- Aaron Rodgers QB California (cap issues, costs alot less than smith)
2. Dolphins- Alex Smith QB Utah
3. Browns- Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
4. Bears- Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
5. Bucs- Carnell Williams RB Auburn
6. Titans- Antrel Rolle CB Miami
7. Vikings- Shawne Merrimen DE Maryland
8. Cardinals- Cedric Benson RB Texas
9. Redskins- Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
10. Lions- Derrick Johnson OLB Texas
11. Cowboys- Mike Williams WR USC
12. Chargers- Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
13. Texans- Demarcus Ware LB/DE Troy
14. Panthers- Alex Barron OT Florida State
15. Chiefs- Marcus Spears DE LSU
16. Saints- Thomas Davis S Georgia
17. Bengals- Adam "Pac Man" Jones CB West Virginia
18. Vikings- Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
19. Rams- Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma
20. Cowboys- David Pollack LB/DE Georgia
21. Jaguars- Khalif Barnes OT Washington
22. Ravens- Travis Johnson DT Florida State
23. Seahawks- Erasmus James DE Wisconson
24. Packers- Shaun Cody DE/DT USC
25. Redskins- Jason Campbell QB Auburn
26. Raiders- Fabian Washington CB Nebraska
27. Falcons- Luis Castillo DT Northwestern
28. Chargers- Dan Cody LB/DE Oklahoma
29. Colts- Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee
30. Steelers- Heath Miller TE Virginia
31. Eagles- Matt Jones WR Arkansas
32. Patriots- Odell Thurman LB Georgia
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Warrick is still good, better than T.J., keep him, makes Carson that much better, wouldve had maybe 80 catches this year. If we pick up Clayton, Williamson, Roddy White or another guy he should be cut or traded though.
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1. Mark Clayton
2. Mike Patterson
3. Donte Nicholson
4. Jason Brown
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I dont think there will be any PRE-draft trades for the bengals. Also, Derrick Johnson is WAY too good to fall to 17, word is there is no way hes falling past 10 let alone 17, i mean they said the same thing about Phillip Buchanon, Vince Wilfork, Will Smith and Kenechi Udeze. But Johnson's different, he's a possible #2 or 3 pick. Dallas and the Texans arent likely to pass on him either. Rogers could fall if K.C.'s deal for Patrick Surtain happens. If we stay at 17 I say Mark Clayton, a fast, quick big play threat to line up across from Chad. Height doesnt matter as much as people say, Brandon Stokely, Santana Moss, Laverneus Coles, Marvin Harrison, Derrick Mason. Clayton looks better than all of those guys did coming out of college. Thomas Davis is another guy I like, a big run-stuffing safety, even if he is an OLB he's still a first round prospect there too. Also David Pollack seems like a Marvin guy, and Erasmus James is just flat-out talented. If someone falls trade down and pick up an extra day 1 pick up, preferably round 2. Look out for the Texans, If Williamson is on the board they'll most likely take him, then may trade up with us to acquire a player such as Shawne Merrimen (not likely to fall), Marcus Spears or Demarcus Ware. They have the 47th,73rd and 78th pick so this could be interesting.
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I still think our 1st rounder will be Mark Clayton, I mean Marvin loves the guy and he probably realizes that the other positions can be put off until 2nd-3rd rd. Sure WR is not our biggest need but Marvin does like the guy and if James doesnt fall to us I think we take Clayton. (Carlos Rogers or Adam Jones if they fall) I mean yea Thomas Davis is good but Shazor in the 3rd would still be good (or Nicholson), In the 2nd we gotta see who falls to us, Spencer is a good option, but so are Mike Patterson, Justin Tuck, Dan Cody,Anttaj Hawthorne, Daryl Blackstock, Kevin Burnett, Odell Thurman, Luis Castillo, Matt Roth, Barrett Ruud,Brodney Pool, Bryant mcFadden, Corey Webster, Dave Baas, Channing Crowder, Roddy White, reggie Brown, Matt Jones. Someone is gonna be there, atleast 1 of those guys who I would love to have. If I were the bengals i'd make a deal with Philly to get their 1st and 2nd (maybe for our 1st and 3rd/4th, whatever we could do) Thats where all the value is. This is going to be a fun draft. If we did that deal with Philly this is what i think our draft would look like (first day):
1. Heath Miller
2a. Chris Spencer
2b. Anttaj Hawthorne
3. Ernest Shazor
.....ahhh so many possibilies......
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Channing isnt a first round guy, supposedly he's falling as fast as Ernest Shazor, who might be a 4th rounder, Crowder could go anywher in round 2 or 3, not in the 1st though, theres just too much against him, I personally think he should be drafted higher and if he's there in the 2nd we should take him, not a chance in hell he's our first rounder
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I personally don't think this is an immediate need, however as you said, if Greenway falls we'll take him. However, the Eagles are extremely interested in Greenway and will probably take him if he is available at #14, if not Minnesota at #17 is another team who would probably take him. DeMeco Ryans is much more likely to fall to us, however even if Ryans was there, I still might go Bunkley, Simpson, or Bing.
The guy I like, Freddie Roach from Alabama in the late third or fourth. He's a big guy who's game speed seems above average. he could immediately step in the rotation and would help in the never ending battle to stop the run. Roach doesn't give up yards after contact, just watch the Senior Bowl.
Terna Nande is another guy I've watched as a possible 3rd or 4th rounder.
Bobby Carpenter, I like him, but he's not a good fit, as someone said before a poor man's David Pollack. However, the kid's got a lot more speed than Pollack and has some potential.