Whur CHad At? Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 It is time for the new bosses to make changes to this front office first by getting rid of O'Brien. I think that if he is not gone, we as Reds fans should boycott this team and protest outside GABP. This is ridculous. Casey was a fan favorite, and just made the games fun to watch. I saw this coming but I thought we would at least get some worth for him. I dont think we should of traded him becuase the thought of Adam DUnn Playing first base scares me.Lets Mosh till they get rid of that weapon of mass destruction that they call our GM, Dan O'Brien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/11 Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 give o'brien time. his ideals for this club sound awesome, but he needs flexibility to fulfill those ideas (time, money)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted December 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Hes a piece of garbage. His ideals are to trade everybody for a player to be named later, whom we will never see or hear of again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBin2k7 Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 I don't know if it is all O'brien's fault but the other general managers around baseball don't have a lot of respect for the Reds front office. I have read numerous statements about how the Reds are not realistic in their trade demands and have no idea what they are doing. Maybe O'Brien isn't the answer, but I tell you one thing, the Reds need to go out and find their Marvin Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted December 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 I agree, I think we should just Hire Marvin, that would be sweet. He prob. doesnt know a thing about baseball though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 give o'brien time. his ideals for this club sound awesome, but he needs flexibility to fulfill those ideas (time, money)...Which he didn't have under John Allen or Carl Linder. Case in point is he wasn't allowed to shop our young outfielders. Now he is. He knows what he needs to do and his approach is filling up the minors with kids and develop within -- the most realistic approach. We tried the Jim Bowden buy talent approach in the mid-90s and it worked for a bit, but now we're stuck in the situation we're in. Yes, I still blame Bowden for our total lack of talent on the mound today... and pitchers like Kenny Rogers getting a 2-year $16 million deal doesn't help our cause at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalindian Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 But how long are the Reds gonna go by just trading for minor leaguers that may develop into something. Come on, we've been hearing it for years.They haven't even showed promise, and the pitching has actually gone backward over the past couple years. The only guy with anything positive has been Brandon Claussen, but he' not even that special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 This is a time where I would like to inject some serious irony to this discussion...We are saying now that we got no value for Casey, but when we got Casey we were saying we got no value for Dave Burba, our opening day starter that year! Not that I'm defending O'Brien because this is not an isolated incident....Like I said before, at least we get to see Dunn misjudge foul balls at first base now instead of left field! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 BengalIndian - What would you suggest? Sudden firings and front office turmoil, and past fire-sales doesn't help and sets back any ball club. But nothing's changed in the past year in terms of the organization's plan and if anything, Dan O'Brien is having more freedom to implement that plan -- not hand-tied from Uncle Carl's personal choice on who stays and goes. Ironically Carl used the loyalty plan and kept a lot of dead weight for big money. More setbacks. And if you look at Houston, Minnesota, and Oakland, their ability to continuously stay within the playoff race is their farm system. A new surprise comes up and adds depth to pitching rotations, relief pitching is always solid and a closer from somewhere appears. Oakland is probably the worst of these examples but they spend less money than the Reds as it is -- and they still make noise... and based off money spent per team, more money spent on a team is a fable that's spoken about too much -- New York (Mets and Yankees), Boston, and Chicago. There's young pitching in our farm system, but they're, at best, a full season away from making an appearance using the time-table the organization is setting.And while you saw progress in two back-to-back 8-8 seasons with the Bengals, the same can be envisioned for the Reds.There's just no one available within the Reds checkbook, and in case you haven't noticed, there's some serious money flying around that's just insane. Luckily, that money is mostly being spent in the AL more so we won't be affected as much. We're close. Seriously. Have optimism. We led the National League in scoring last season, and now we just need to wait for our young pitching to develop.What would you suggest? Sudden firings and front office turmoil, and past firesales doesn't help and sets back any ball club. But nothing's changed in the past year in terms of the organization's plan and if anything, Dan O'Brien is having more freedom to implement that plan -- not hand-tied from Uncle Carl's personal choice on who stays and goes. Ironically Carl used the loyalty plan and kept a lot of dead weight for big money. More setbacks. And if you look at Houston, Minnesota, and Oakland, their ability to continuously stay within the playoff race is their farm system. A new surprise comes up and adds depth to pitching rotations, relief pitching is always solid and a closer from somewhere appears. Oakland is probably the worst of these examples but they spend less money than the Reds as it is -- and they still make noise... and based off money spent per team, more money spent on a team is a fable that's spoken about too much -- New York (Mets and Yankees), Boston, and Chicago. There's young pitching in our farm system, but they're, at best, a full season away from making an appearence using the time-table the organization is setting.And while you saw progress in two back-to-back 8-8 seasons with the Bengals, the same can be invisioned for the Reds.There's just no one available within the Reds checkbook, and in case you haven't noticed, there's some serious money flying around that's just insane. Luckily, that money is mostly being spent in the AL more so we won't be affected as much. We're close. Seriously. Have optimism. We led the National League in scoring last season, and now we just need to wait for our young pitching to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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