Justin and Robert?

[Kazkal]

So what happened in the game? were they getting owned 1-1? was one of them being double teamed?

[turningpoint]

quick passes i think dilfer never really sat in the pocket...when pressure was applied he usally tossed it away.

[HairOnFire]

I wasn't really concerned with the pass rush. They did manage some pressure from time to time, but for the most part seemed to be concentrating on stopping the run. To that end, I didn't notice much stunting or twisting at all which always means gap control is being emphasized. Best, after the game I listened to a sound bite of Romeo Crennel giving the Bengals defensive adjustments late in the 1st quarter credit for shutting down a Brownie running game that had some early success. He went so far as to state that the Browns had to pull Droughns because their run game was no longer working and the Browns wanted a RB who was a bigger threat in the passing game.

[Kazkal]

Thanks hair

[redsbengalsbucks]

I did not see a lot of double teams. IMO the Browns new offensive line is much improved and Hair is right about alot of quick hitters for Dilfer and when pressured the pass was almost always incomplete. Remember Dilfer is a wiley veteran and everytime someone got near him he threw it away, unlike Palmer who tossed it up for grabs again(his only mistake but the game would have been over with a sack and a FG to ice it)

In general I thought the D did avarage with one blown coverage that cost a long TD play, I think by Odell.

[AMC]

I wasn't really concerned with the pass rush. They did manage some pressure from time to time, but for the most part seemed to be concentrating on stopping the run. To that end, I didn't notice much stunting or twisting at all which always means gap control is being emphasized. Best, after the game I listened to a sound bite of Romeo Crennel giving the Bengals defensive adjustments late in the 1st quarter credit for shutting down a Brownie running game that had some early success. He went so far as to state that the Browns had to pull Droughns because their run game was no longer working and the Browns wanted a RB who was a bigger threat in the passing game.

I agree.....I think adjustments against the run led to a lack of pass rush....Also was not alot of LBs and safety blitzes....Seems Marvin and Chuck game planed very well....Take away the first run and they were pretty much dominate against the run yesterday...

I see them doing the same against a suspect Viking's running game....Tackling Culpepper will be the major task....

[thefrazz]

Dilfer seemed to be back for a MONTH at times...but I also seen where Chuck was keeping the LB's and DB's back. Chuck said his biggest concern was not giving up the big play. They let one happen...but that was it. That call the Browns made was perfect against the D that was called...and ran well. I can't bash anyone for that one, other then the lack-luster attempt to knock him out of bounds.

*shrug* we won...thats all that matters. We will have to be more on our game plan in order to beat the Vikings!

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I did not see a lot of double teams. IMO the Browns new offensive line is much improved and Hair is right about alot of quick hitters for Dilfer and when pressured the pass was almost always incomplete. Remember Dilfer is a wiley veteran and everytime someone got near him he threw it away, unlike Palmer who tossed it up for grabs again(his only mistake but the game would have been over with a sack and a FG to ice it)

In general I thought the D did avarage with one blown coverage that cost a long TD play, I think by Odell.

Yeah, I saw one where Odell did his high jump move into Dilfer's face - didn't catch any of the ball, but it's got to be tough to throw when that's going on.

[schweinhart]

Dilfer still 5-step dropped a lot and the rush was not there, except for a Justin near sack when Dilfer broke the pocket early and Smith tracked him down to the sideline.

The Bengals D was definitely keyed vs. run and they did well after that first 24yd Droughns run, which looked like it mainly broke free by a WR in motion block on Odell in the gap between the guards.

The pass rush is gonna have to be there vs. Vikes but so too will there have to be contain of Pep. This really has the looks IMO of a lot of 3-4 Bengals scheme to have a DT play NT over center and Smith and Pollack lined up or standing wide of the DTs in 5-man fronts w/ one or the other or both dropping back or getting backside pursuit vs. faster backs in runnning game as needed.