oldschooler Posted August 31, 2005 Report Posted August 31, 2005 Can anyone out there name a Quality (top of the line-first rate) free agent that the Bengals have ever signed,that was not drafted by he Bengals to begin with?No?OK!I will not hold my breath,get my hopes up,or waste my time thinking about Corey Simon.I havebeen down that road too many times this year.I would believe the Easter Bunny ,Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy signed a free agent originally drafted by another team before I would believe Mike Brown did.Did all of those Free Agents help the Redskins get to the Playoffs ? How about the Raiders signing Sapp ?The Seahawks haven`t won a Playoff game since 1984.The Patriots got Rodney Harrison off of waivers and traded for Corey Dillon. They don`t sign big nameFree Agents...they let them go. They build through the draft and pickup quality players off of Trades or the waiver wire.Anyway YES Shayne Graham and Tory James were bothsigned and not drafted by the Bengals. Quote
Dadraftnick Posted August 31, 2005 Report Posted August 31, 2005 Torry James was a 2nd tier free agent when signed by the Bengals.I will give you that he made the pro bowl and has turned out well.Like when they signed Ashley Ambrose, teams were not beating the door down to sign them.Even though Ambrose and James made the Pro Bowl .When they were free agents most teams wanted them as a nickel back and they were not on the top of everyone's list like Simon is.Both cornere were let go by their teams because they blamed them in part on a playoff loss.As far as Shane Grahm goes he just got beat out and was cut by the Panthers when they signed him and like Ambrose and James chose the Bengals because of a a sure starting spot .Grahm was only paid when he was RE-UPPED after he was on the team for a while.Rudi Johnson was drafted by the Bengals and RE-SIGNED. Like I said Mike Brown does not go out and get free agents .You may be right I may be letting my dislike for Brown's ineptness shade my opinion.But it does not change history.And, you are letting your hopes cloud your view of reality. How many players have you got your hopes up on only to have Mike Brown kick you in the teeth.Where is Sapp, Sharper,the other Sharper,Pat Williams ,Pat Williams(By the way they have tried like hell to get him),Bert Berry,Sam Adams(about 5 times)Tony Siragusa,Bobby Taylor,Troy Vincent?.I could go on and on. I know you cant win them all:but, really? Quote
Dadraftnick Posted August 31, 2005 Report Posted August 31, 2005 2000 Season Payrolls Arizona Cardinals $ 58,610,500 Pittsburgh Steelers $ 58,464,200 St. Louis Rams $ 58,157,400 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $ 58,054,900 Jacksonville Jaguars $ 57,162,000 Atlanta Falcons $ 57,006,000 Chicago Bears $ 56,895,200 Kansas City Chiefs $ 56,337,200 Green Bay Packers $ 56,148,300 New Orleans Saints $ 55,914,000 Philadelphia Eagles $ 55,581,400 Tennessee Titans $ 55,487,200 Baltimore Ravens $ 54,811,100 Miami Dolphins $ 54,643,400 Detroit Lions $ 54,635,200 Buffalo Bills $ 54,612,000 Indianapolis Colts $ 54,183,800 Cincinnati Bengals $ 54,171,200 Washington Redskins $ 53,878,400 Minnesota Vikings $ 53,319,800 New York Jets $ 53,250,400 Carolina Panthers $ 52,887,500 New York Giants $ 51,348,900 New England Patriots $ 51,344,300 Denver Broncos $ 50,239,400 Dallas Cowboys $ 50,104,200 Oakland Raiders $ 49,143,700 San Diego Chargers $ 49,118,900 Cleveland Browns $ 48,373,000 Seattle Seahawks $ 47,802,600 San Francisco 49ers $ 42,695,4002001 Season Payrolls Denver Broncos $ 102,582,620 Cleveland Browns $ 92,598,829 St. Louis Rams $ 82,344,655 Cincinnati Bengals $ 81,989,628 Seattle Seahawks $ 81,034,664 San Diego Chargers $ 78,852,865 Oakland Raiders $ 78,133,041 Pittsburgh Steelers $ 77,711,029 New York Giants $ 77,617,916 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $ 76,976,459 Detroit Lions $ 76,573,454 Chicago Bears $ 76,479,893 Baltimore Ravens $ 75,764,764 Arizona Cardinals $ 74,891,809 Atlanta Falcons $ 72,969,398 Carolina Panthers $ 72,347,972 Philadelphia Eagles $ 70,893,988 Tennessee Titans $ 70,126,673 New York Jets $ 69,980,467 Green Bay Packers $ 68,979,435 New Orleans Saints $ 67,326,988 Miami Dolphins $ 67,094,051 New England Patriots $ 65,793,825 Indianapolis Colts $ 63,835,431 Kansas City Chiefs $ 59,800,143 Jacksonville Jaguars $ 58,244,865 Washington Redskins $ 56,017,166 Buffalo Bills $ 51,602,563 San Francisco 49ers $ 50,374,331 Dallas Cowboys $ 48,469,232 Minnesota Vikings $ 47,086,5282002 Season PayrollsPittsburgh Steelers $ 85,283,461 Atlanta Falcons $ 85,125,086 New York Jets $ 84,739,364 Oakland Raiders $ 83,931,651 Houston Texans $ 83,780,271 Philadelphia Eagles $ 81,929,630 New York Giants $ 77,833,196 San Francisco 49ers $ 75,146,409 Dallas Cowboys $ 74,138,471 Cleveland Browns $ 72,241,477 Chicago Bears $ 71,853,262 Kansas City Chiefs $ 71,456,693 St. Louis Rams $ 70,680,786 Arizona Cardinals $ 66,967,535 Indianapolis Colts $ 65,728,706 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $ 64,486,295 Detroit Lions $ 64,329,265 Miami Dolphins $ 63,402,451 Denver Broncos $ 62,563,073 Washington Redskins $ 61,149,117 San Diego Chargers $ 60,656,461 Buffalo Bills $ 59,603,267 Seattle Seahawks $ 58,320,758 Cincinnati Bengals $ 57,867,603 Baltimore Ravens $ 55,711,792 Tennessee Titans $ 54,329,558 New Orleans Saints $ 54,263,868 Carolina Panthers $ 54,170,477 Green Bay Packers $ 49,980,056 Jacksonville Jaguars $ 49,563,600 New England Patriots $ 46,194,915 Minnesota Vikings $ 43,549,3842003 Season Payrolls New Orleans Saints $ 95,103,350 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $ 88,084,700 Minnesota Vikings $ 85,719,851 Cincinnati Bengals $ 85,457,225 Atlanta Falcons $ 84,861,253 Washington Redskins $ 84,826,189 Seattle Seahawks $ 84,227,732 Chicago Bears $ 82,803,517 New England Patriots $ 82,128,250 Dallas Cowboys $ 81,042,307 Arizona Cardinals $ 81,034,928 St. Louis Rams $ 80,224,050 Jacksonville Jaguars $ 78,735,117 New York Giants $ 78,125,309 Detroit Lions $ 77,662,097 Houston Texans $ 77,591,518 Philadelphia Eagles $ 77,436,900 Kansas City Chiefs $ 77,394,073 Green Bay Packers $ 77,230,121 Baltimore Ravens $ 76,154,450 Tennessee Titans $ 75,575,947 Carolina Panthers $ 75,004,350 Indianapolis Colts $ 74,998,224 Oakland Raiders $ 74,904,848 Buffalo Bills $ 73,299,382 San Diego Chargers $ 73,230,536 New York Jets $ 69,209,828 Miami Dolphins $ 67,439,147 Denver Broncos $ 64,826,919 Pittsburgh Steelers $ 63,571,735 San Francisco 49ers $ 60,519,309 Cleveland Browns $ 53,849,7502004 Season Payrolls (keep in mind we had tons of dead cap during this season) Washington Redskins $ 117,962,286 Philadelphia Eagles $ 104,977,331 Houston Texans $ 97,473,626 Detroit Lions $ 94,578,628 Seattle Seahawks $ 94,006,282 Miami Dolphins $ 93,937,308 New York Jets $ 93,866,236 Minnesota Vikings $ 92,407,989 Indianapolis Colts $ 92,209,207 Chicago Bears $ 87,826,859 Carolina Panthers $ 87,807,573 Cleveland Browns $ 87,728,284 Baltimore Ravens $ 86,478,031 Kansas City Chiefs $ 84,617,626 Atlanta Falcons $ 82,711,268 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $ 81,989,547 New York Giants $ 81,657,826 Green Bay Packers $ 80,383,682 Buffalo Bills $ 80,170,229 Tennessee Titans $ 79,003,839 Arizona Cardinals $ 78,961,345 Pittsburgh Steelers $ 77,955,021 Oakland Raiders $ 77,369,122 New England Patriots $ 76,999,180 St. Louis Rams $ 76,389,455 San Diego Chargers $ 76,253,021 New Orleans Saints $ 73,324,022 Denver Broncos $ 72,564,908 Jacksonville Jaguars $ 72,113,009 Cincinnati Bengals $ 68,811,884 Dallas Cowboys $ 65,409,479 San Francisco 49ers $ 63,033,817Year / Median Salary 2004 Season Team Median Salary Pittsburgh Steelers $ 895,716 Detroit Lions $ 790,600 Kansas City Chiefs $ 788,700 New Orleans Saints $ 762,800 Carolina Panthers $ 756,250 Atlanta Falcons $ 723,700 New York Giants $ 708,100 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $ 688,900 Miami Dolphins $ 669,000 New York Jets $ 663,800 New England Patriots $ 660,300 Philadelphia Eagles $ 653,900 Minnesota Vikings $ 642,000 Cincinnati Bengals $ 636,000 Seattle Seahawks $ 632,000 Baltimore Ravens $ 631,850 Houston Texans $ 631,500 Dallas Cowboys $ 626,234 Arizona Cardinals $ 621,424 Buffalo Bills $ 617,650 Green Bay Packers $ 614,700 Chicago Bears $ 592,200 Denver Broncos $ 581,750 Jacksonville Jaguars $ 575,000 San Francisco 49ers $ 562,000 Oakland Raiders $ 560,600 Washington Redskins $ 539,300 Tennessee Titans $ 538,000 St. Louis Rams $ 537,350 Indianapolis Colts $ 536,800 Cleveland Browns $ 522,000 San Diego Chargers $ 453,800http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf....aspx?year=2003 I never said Mike Brown does not spend money ,he does.He overspends on guys he drafted to keep them.He just does not get the free agents he did not draft , at least not the top ones.Raynard Wilson is a good example.He was a bust for years .The last year of his contract he flashes a little ability.Mike overpays him.The next year back to old Raynard.Akili Smith is bust a couple of years into his contract Mike has a decision to make give him another Big Bonus (Renew his contract) or let him go .Mike RE UPs him .Helen Keller could have seen that Akili Smith was a total bust.That was wasted money because Mike will pay anything to keep his own bust joke of a player but can not cough up the dough for the sure thing proven vet free agent. 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CBin2k7 Posted August 31, 2005 Report Posted August 31, 2005 Free Agency is a two way street, the team has to be interested and the player has to be interested. I applaud the Bengals for doing things the right way when it comes to Sapp, Taylor and Vincent, you should never overpay for players in their 30's. It sets you up for failure in the long run. See the Washington Redskins, Tennessee Titans and San Francisco 49ers for your examples. If you mis manage the cap it catches up with you eventually. Quote
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted August 31, 2005 Report Posted August 31, 2005 Torry James was a 2nd tier free agent when signed by the Bengals.I will give you that he made the pro bowl and has turned out well.Like when they signed Ashley Ambrose, teams were not beating the door down to sign them.Even though Ambrose and James made the Pro Bowl .When they were free agents most teams wanted them as a nickel back and they were not on the top of everyone's list like Simon is.Both cornere were let go by their teams because they blamed them in part on a playoff loss.As far as Shane Grahm goes he just got beat out and was cut by the Panthers when they signed him and like Ambrose and James chose the Bengals because of a a sure starting spot .Grahm was only paid when he was RE-UPPED after he was on the team for a while.Rudi Johnson was drafted by the Bengals and RE-SIGNED. Like I said Mike Brown does not go out and get free agents .You may be right I may be letting my dislike for Brown's ineptness shade my opinion.But it does not change history.And, you are letting your hopes cloud your view of reality. How many players have you got your hopes up on only to have Mike Brown kick you in the teeth.Where is Sapp, Sharper,the other Sharper,Pat Williams ,Pat Williams(By the way they have tried like hell to get him),Bert Berry,Sam Adams(about 5 times)Tony Siragusa,Bobby Taylor,Troy Vincent?.I could go on and on. I know you cant win them all:but, really? Sapp is, and was, over the hill and just a fatso. Same thing with Sam Adams, who hasn't even been ON THE MARKET about 5 times. Tony Siragusa was never even pursued. You haven't got a clue, fool. Quote
walzav29 Posted August 31, 2005 Report Posted August 31, 2005 Never overpay for over 30. Simon is 28. Has anyone heard anything yet? Quote
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