turningpoint Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 http://www.bengals.com/press/news.asp?iCur...=0&news_id=2737 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengals200485 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I don't. I say if we are going to give one the big bucks it has to be Rudi he earned and proved it. But I don't think we get either. Perry will more then likely will be the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 If it's possible, I'd take Alexander. Marvin has always cited salary cap issues when asked about Alexander. Rudi did a lot for this team, but Alexander is simply the better running back and Alexander has only one more year of experience than Rudi. Not a bad deal depending on the monies involved -- it all comes back to money, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 If it's possible, I'd take Alexander. Marvin has always cited salary cap issues when asked about Alexander. Rudi did a lot for this team, but Alexander is simply the better running back and Alexander has only one more year of experience than Rudi. Not a bad deal depending on the monies involved -- it all comes back to money, doesn't it? Ain't gonna happen. Alexander left open the possibility of re signing with the SeaHawks ....... and coach has already said that Alexander " would unbalance our salary cap". Alexander is negotiating, and the coach is being realistic. Pay Alexander what he wants, and what are we going to use to sign that fat ass free agent hole plugger everyone says we need ???? Not to mention our other free agents and draft picks ....... But that's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 He is using us for leverage, shouldnt be anything new to the bengals.IMO we dont need him, he is way better then Rudi Johnson, but i think Chris Perry will be just as good as SA only cheaper, and a huge upgrade over Rudi Johnson. Perry would be our best back since the great one in his prime with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I wish you had some game tape to back that up Dont push me, that would make me feel better about the sitiation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted February 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Ok good a lot of you guys prooved my point....you don't think alexander will come here because of the salary cap #'s he will break us. Well guess what RUDI is asking just about the same amount of money....so guess what RUDI is walking, unless he get's his f**king head out of the clouds along with his stupid ass agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Perry would be our best back since the great one in his prime with us. You mean the unmentionable one is not in his prime anymore? I think you are a Rudi hater, since be broke a few of ol' whats-his-names records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Perry would be our best back since the great one in his prime with us.You mean the unmentionable one is not in his prime anymore? I think you are a Rudi hater, since be broke a few of ol' whats-his-names records. nah i mean in his prime WITH UShis best year was this year, he is now in his prime as a football player, but his prime with the bengals was a few years ago, he just couldnt keep playing his heart out knowing he was going no where, so his play dropped a bit the last couple years in cincy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Alexander wont come here because Reggie Myles wont give up the #37 jersey for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Chris Perry will be just as good as SA only cheaper, and a huge upgrade over Rudi Johnson. Rudi Johnson rushed for almost 1,500 yards. So, if Perry is a huge upgrade...how much rushing yardage should a Bengal fan expect to get next season from the man who replaces Johnson? 1,800 yards? 2,000 yards? 1 yard (again) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delhole Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Perry will get the job done. Besides everyone and their mom knows that the offense will not live and die based on the running game. Perry will be enough to get whatever Palmer, Johnson, and Co. can't.Oh and this post is conservative. I still think Perry will be a very good back in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Isn't it amazing how people's attitudes can change because of which way the wind is blowing today? During the season, there were who knows how many here droning on and on about Perry being a bust. Now, with the Rudi situation, we have all this about Perry being a great running back. Perry is unproven -- we can't count on him yet, but we can't count him out either. I don't know if Perry will turn into an "upgrade" in his first real year, but he should be more fun to watch. I like Rudi, but I just wanted to see him do some non-"downhill" runs -- see Rudi, see Rudi run, see Rudi run into a linebacker ... repeat ad nauseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Chris Perry will be just as good as SA only cheaper, and a huge upgrade over Rudi Johnson.Rudi Johnson rushed for almost 1,500 yards. So, if Perry is a huge upgrade...how much rushing yardage should a Bengal fan expect to get next season from the man who replaces Johnson? 1,800 yards? 2,000 yards? 1 yard (again) Yea, he had a little over 1500 TOTAL yards, you know how many other players did that? Perry can CATCH PASSES. That is why he is a upgrade over Rudi Johnson.and to the guy above me, ive been a perry fan since before the draft, i was extatic that we drafted him, and unlike most bengal fans, im smart enough to know that being injured in your rookie year doesnt make you a bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Chris Perry will be just as good as SA only cheaper, and a huge upgrade over Rudi Johnson.Rudi Johnson rushed for almost 1,500 yards. So, if Perry is a huge upgrade...how much rushing yardage should a Bengal fan expect to get next season from the man who replaces Johnson? 1,800 yards? 2,000 yards? 1 yard (again) 1300 yards and 400 yards receiving, give or take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 What's this? Not a single prediction from Corey's mistress about what type of production can be expected from the rumored upgrade? Not even a claim that Perry can even match Rudi's rushing totals. Well, aren't we all surprised. No, I guess we probably aren't. No sense putting your head on the proverbial chopping block by predicting production levels. Not when you can just as easily mock a proven NFL running back who just set a franchise rushing record. But what do you know? Perry can catch passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I wouldn't see why Holmgren would want Rudi, they already have Maurice Morris. It'd be silly to draft Rudi when they already have a good RB that knows the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I'm sure Walter Jones would be the happiest man on the Seahawks if they do tag Alexander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Plus if Perry (or Alexander) were the starter it would relieve some pressure off Chad Johnson. If you had a RB that could consistenly beat LB's in the passing game. Then the defense has to start covering RB with S in stardard defenses. Or play more zones where either the cornerback or linebackers have to play the flats. Either way Chad would probably see less double coverage. Unless the running game flopped alltogether with another RB starting. The running game is more a function of the offense line though imo. It doesn't take a superstar to run 4 yards every play if the offensive line is getting it done in the trenches. It's not a coincidence that a team like Kansas City can have three different RB play at different times in the season and still consistently put up good rushing numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 1300 yards and 400 yards receiving, give or take. Seems I spoke too soon. That said... Give or take exactly what? Not to mention that 1300 yards is less than Rudi managed...failing to qualify as the huge upgrade I've been led to expect. But Perry can catch passes, right? Besides, he'll cost less than Rudi wants and coupon shopping has its merits. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that if Perry wins the starting job AND stays healthy he won't break 1000 yards rushing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OICanDoThat Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 1300 yards and 400 yards receiving, give or take.Seems I spoke too soon. That said... Give or take exactly what? Not to mention that 1300 yards is less than Rudi managed...failing to qualify as the huge upgrade I've been led to expect. But Perry can catch passes, right? Besides, he'll cost less than Rudi wants and coupon shopping has its merits. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that if Perry wins the starting job AND stays healthy he won't break 1000 yards rushing. Because you want him to fail? Because he was unable to prove anything in his ROOKIE season? Because he is not the same back we have had for the last 3 years... oh wait, we have not had the same back for the last 3 years. Just two years ago, Rudi was just as unproven, with questions about his work ethic, and lack of production in the NFL. All he had in his corner was Anderson's confidence, which is exactly what Perry has now, along with Marvin's.Listen, I understand the security and comfort involved with a known commodity. I also understand the sense of loyalty to a player with Johnson's running style and team attitude, but to wish the worse on any player, let alone his replacement, seems absurd.I am willing to give Perry a chance, because he deserves it; not just because he is a first round player, but because the coaches believe he can do it. And they know a heck of a lot more about football than I ever will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 and to the guy above me, ive been a perry fan since before the draft, i was extatic that we drafted him, and unlike most bengal fans, im smart enough to know that being injured in your rookie year doesnt make you a bust There were plenty of people, myself included, who didn't label Perry a bust because we know the same thing you do -- an injury doesn't necessarily make you a bust. But no matter how much you may like the guy, Perry still hasn't proven himself. It's not that he can't, but that he didn't have the opportunity with his injury. Being a Bengals fan through the dismal decade has made me into much more of a skeptic about the players we draft -- they may look great in college, but I'm not going to say that someone is great or a bust before they have the chance to prove themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 1300 yards and 400 yards receiving, give or take.Seems I spoke too soon. That said... Give or take exactly what? Not to mention that 1300 yards is less than Rudi managed...failing to qualify as the huge upgrade I've been led to expect. But Perry can catch passes, right? Besides, he'll cost less than Rudi wants and coupon shopping has its merits. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that if Perry wins the starting job AND stays healthy he won't break 1000 yards rushing. Read the post right above your last one to clarify why Perry may be a better fit in the passing attack the Bengals will employ next year... Another weapon out of the backfield for one... Defenses cant always use linebackers to cover Perry.. It takes pressure off Chad and maybe his receptions and numbers go up too. ditto for all the receivers.. It puts more pressure on the defense....Maybe Perry wont be stopped for a loss 42 times.. Maybe Brat can call other plays except up the middle s**t all the time...Do you realize that Rudi had 12 games in which he averaged less than 4 yards a pop in??? Cleveland game was padding for his season stats... yeah he's a workhorse...Why settle for a workhorse if you may have a thoroughbred in the barn? Read Marvin's statement that he thinks Perry is going to be better than what he thought the day they drafted him. Does any of this make sense to you or do you have workhorse blinders on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubThumper Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I'd hate to see Alexander come back here regardless of the economics. I want the Bengals to be well situated in the running game, but I hate to see these guys give in to hometown nostalgia and come slinking back here once they've been successful somewhere else. In the words of Thomas Wolfe, "you can't go home again." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Isn't it amazing how people's attitudes can change because of which way the wind is blowing today? During the season, there were who knows how many here droning on and on about Perry being a bust. Now, with the Rudi situation, we have all this about Perry being a great running back. Perry is unproven -- we can't count on him yet, but we can't count him out either. I don't know if Perry will turn into an "upgrade" in his first real year, but he should be more fun to watch. I like Rudi, but I just wanted to see him do some non-"downhill" runs -- see Rudi, see Rudi run, see Rudi run into a linebacker ... repeat ad nauseum. I really haven't had much to say about Perry, because he hasn't done anything so far for us to talk about. Yeah Yeah .... he did this and that in college ..... so did Aw Yer Killin Me Smith. Near as I can see, we don't know what we can expect from Perry til he goes out and plays. Comparing his first season to Palmers is not really fair, because Palmer could have played if needed. He also worked out and practiced with the team. Perry pretty much sat and watched. Not his fault ... he was hurt. Still he didn't practice and or work out because he was unable. Consequently, he wasn't in a position to learn much ... except what he could pick up by watching. I think we have people who like Perry and translate that into expectations that Perry hasn't showed he can deliver on. On the opposite end, we have Perry non believers who say he's a bust. Can't really say that either huh !I have my doubts, like I would about any new guy ... on the other hand, the organization is very high on him so I'm also inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt till he proves otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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