skyline Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Yeah, man! Let's go with Kitna!! The future is last year!! Palmer sucks! The learning curve for rookie qbs is 2 games, and he's already played 3! Give him the hook!! Viva la revolution!! I've got to remember to stop reading posts for a few days whenever the Bengals have a bad game. Bengals fans have got to learn to be more moderate...on the positives AND negatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengals4ever Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 It is Palmer's time...and we will have to be patient through the bad games. As hard as that will be because we've been losing for so long. He still threw for over 300 yards. Mistakes hurt, always will, but our defense again didn't help much.I didn't see the game and only caught a few highlights (was traveling that day). Mainly highlights of Ravens making the Bengals defense look completely inept at tackling.We are 1-2. We could easily be 2-1 if the Bengal defense showed up for the Jets game.The present and future is Palmer. He needs experience, that's all. We now have two tough road games separated by a bye week. Go Bengals!!!! I will miss the Steelers game also due to travel. You guys will have to root the team on this week. if only I could use my cell phone on the plane the whole time I didn't get to catch the Steelers game last night either. How did big Ben look? I am guessing Maddux has seen his last start in Pittsburgh. Probably anywhere for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Three games. It's been three games... only THREE!!! and two of them have been against GREAT DEFENSES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IckeyShuffle Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 “Yeah, they got me a couple of times,” said Palmer, who threw three interceptions, lost a fumble, and couldn’t complete any of his eight red-zone passes. “I made some mistakes I shouldn’t have. If I hadn’t made those mistakes, we’re going to win this game. I’ve got things to learn from this.” - from bengals websiteThe guy has the right attitude, an intelligent mind with all the professional tools. He takes responsibility for the loss, that's what starting QB's do, not openly yell and whine at their receivers as Kitna did in the heat of the moment. Give the guy a chance to lead us to where we all want to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitna3perry26 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 It isn't like Kitna whined at his revcievers after the game. He might do what Chad does when Carson missed him when he was wide open like 3 times.Stop making out like Kitna is a bad QB.Every player gets mad at bad plays at the spur of the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 If we take Palmer out now, it will shatter his confidence and that could perhaps be the greatest mistake by the Bengals to date! Kitna is a fine, good quarterback that has improved with experience. He was the general during the six game improvement, AFC Offensive player during November, Comeback player of the year; everything. He played higher above the call last season. I was perhaps the biggest Kitna-homer here.But it's over for him. Injuries aside, he shouldn't get another snap for the entire season if the Carson project is to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfansince68 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 But it's over for him. Injuries aside, he shouldn't get another snap for the entire season if the Carson project is to succeed. Thank You Josh,I have said all along that Carson may struggle this year but he is the future. Marvin is building for the future. Sitting another year behind Kitna will do nothing to further his development. Everyone clamoring for Kitna is enamored by his 20 tds and only 1 int in the 8 wins and are ignoring both his 6 tds and 14 ints and 8 fumbles in the 8 losses as well as his mediocre numbers lifetime.We may struggle this year but the next ten years are more important than this one.Really glad to see you on board Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitna3perry26 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Why couldn't Kitna be the future?Why bench a guy that is only getting better for a guy we have to wait a season to get to Jon's level of play? We could do it this year but we have to wait. We finally get a good QB that will probaly become a superstar(it isn't like he is old or anything) and loves the city and we bench him. That is the dumbest move in Bengal history. It might work out with Palmer (I hope it does) but I still think we made a mistake by benching a only getting better QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Bengal Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 No Way! Its Palmer from here on out. Look at the numbers he put up. Could Kitna do that? He made some mistakes that really hurt but thats what happens while learning the game. He'll get better and so will the rest of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Really glad to see you on board Josh. Shut up Josh shut up Josh shut up Josh shut up Josh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitna3perry26 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Palmer will be a great QB but we shouldn't have benched Kitna after the #s he put up last season. He was only going to get better.Oh and tampa bengal, Kitna can put up those #s and a lot better #s than Palmer has put up so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 “I made some mistakes I shouldn’t have. If I hadn’t made those mistakes, we’re going to win this game. I’ve got things to learn from this.” At least he admits it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Why couldn't Kitna be the future?Why bench a guy that is only getting better for a guy we have to wait a season to get to Jon's level of play? We could do it this year but we have to wait. We finally get a good QB that will probaly become a superstar(it isn't like he is old or anything) and loves the city and we bench him. That is the dumbest move in Bengal history. It might work out with Palmer (I hope it does) but I still think we made a mistake by benching a only getting better QB. Okay, you win, you sucked me into replying to an inherently ridiculous thread. I can only say in my defense that I held out until I saw this insanity. Kitna a superstar! no less. What planet are you from? Did you not see the hundreds of Kitna micro-hands fumbles? Did you not see the int.'s for TD's thrown over the past 2 years? Kitna's a great runner? That's so laughable I don't even know where to start. If Kitna had been in against the Dolphins we would have flat-out lost the game. The pressure CP was under all game would've destroyed him. CP is big enough to take a hit without fumbling and see over the line. Kitna loses that game. The Ravens ran over us at will. Kitna has had PLENTY of 3 int. games and he's a veteran. Palmer is better than Kitna RIGHT NOW. The guy has played very strong for a rookie. Do you remember Kitna's int. v. Denver in game 1 at home last year? Is that the kind of mistake-free football you're talking about. Feel free to have your opinion, most of the time there's reasonable room to debate. But to argue that Kitna's great so they should bench Palmer reeks of this entire thread just being a joke just to bait the faithful. If so, well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Do the words David Klingerand Akili Smith mean anything to you guys?Damn, this is really getting me angry... IT aint got squat to do with the offense....Palmer is fine....I don't know WHAT game you clowns are watching to suggest Kitna should even be on the field....Its the other side of the ball, you know, where the guys tackle the other guys....ARGH....Maybe we can get Terry Tate to play some office MLB for us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Oh and tampa bengal, Kitna can put up those #s and a lot better #s than Palmer has put up so far. HA! What numbers? Fumbles per game?Look I am a huge Kitna fan, but even Jon has said that Palmer is the better QB. Kitna is okay as long as he plays within himself. But as soo as he starts playing form behind he starts to force things, and when he forces things, things go very bad With as many hits as the line is giving up Kitna would have fumbled, and fumbled and fumbled again. This defense isn't good enough to keep Kitna on an even keel, even the games last year when Jon played so well, it was more the D actually playing well than Kitna having an awsome game.examples from victoriesFirst Baltimore game. Kitna threw several sure fire picks that were either dropped or bounced into Chads hands for a TD. Dumb luck. The D however turned up the notch on the Ravens and forced heaps of turnovers.Seattle game. An inspired day on defense by Brian Simmons. He was responsible for what, 3 turnovers? KC game. The D stopped the vaunted KC offense and contained Priest Holmes and a couple of great plays by P-dub.Those were probably the best games Kit played last year, and what's the common theme? Defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Yeah Kev, but we HAVE no defense. We do have the ingredients for a decent offense. Let's play with what we got. If that means winning 24-23 or 28-27 every week so be it! Better than our 15 PPG average as it stands now. And don't get me started on dropped INTS. Palmer has about 5 of them he threw right to someone that they dropped in 3 games this year. Kitna had about 8 all of last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Do the words David Klingerand Akili Smith mean anything to you guys?Damn, this is really getting me angry... IT aint got squat to do with the offense....Palmer is fine....I don't know WHAT game you clowns are watching to suggest Kitna should even be on the field....Its the other side of the ball, you know, where the guys tackle the other guys....ARGH....Maybe we can get Terry Tate to play some office MLB for us... Let me add to this, because Terry brings up a great point here.Klingler vs. Akillme vs. Palmer.First of, let me tell you that there are NO SIMILARITIES!!! None whatsoever.History lesson 101:Klingler - A system QB (run N shoot) from The University of Houston. Still has many NCAA records (I do believe). System QBs usually do NOTHING at the NFL Level--see Danny Wuerffel, Charlie Ward, Eric Crotch, etc.Akillme - Made millions off of 10 games at the University of Oregon. A non-studier of the game. Falls asleep during meetings. Late to this first training camp, due to hold-out. A complete MIKE BROWN failure of the furthest degree.Palmer - a 5-year player from USC. Every year at USC, he had a different offensive system (coach). His last year was his best. Drafted by the Bungles as the top pick of the draft. Signed BEFORE TRAINING CAMP (very important towards player development). Sits out an entire year for player development. Has a strong arm--able to throw in heavy traffic. Shows confidence in the pocket. Shows ability to scramble if needed.Needs work on: Picking up the blitz, making sharper decisions at the higher-level, still thinks like he's in college.There you have it folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverbengal Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Why couldn't Kitna be the future?Why bench a guy that is only getting better for a guy we have to wait a season to get to Jon's level of play? We could do it this year but we have to wait. We finally get a good QB that will probaly become a superstar(it isn't like he is old or anything) and loves the city and we bench him. That is the dumbest move in Bengal history. It might work out with Palmer (I hope it does) but I still think we made a mistake by benching a only getting better QB.Kitna can't be the future because he is 32 years old. Common sense dictates that he's not going to get a whole lot better than he was last year due to his age. While his numbers were good last year, they weren't great. He won 8 games for us, but he also played a major role in losing 8. I think Kitna is a good quarterback, and he's definitely the best backup in the league, but you need to look at the big picture. The reason we're "waiting a season" for CP to develop rather than playing kitna now is because CP has superior skills...i.e. arm strength, mobility, and a definite height advantage. He will be a much better QB than Kitna could ever be. The only thing Kit has on him now is experience. The only way for CP to get experience is to play. Now, if we had something that even resembled a defense, we wouldn't be discussing this issue. In fact, why are we discussing this issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitna3perry26 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 But Kitna gets better and better every year. No telling how much better he would be this year.I didn't say Kit was a superstar. I said that he will probaly become a superstar with more playing time. He just needs to be the consistant starter. I will probaly eat my words and be the happiest guy in the world when Carson leads us to a super bowl one day but I think we could have done it this year with Kitna. Jon Kitna would be a pro bowl QB this year and would have been last year if we could have just sqeaked into the playoffs or he would have come damn close to it.I think Kit should be the man this year because we wouldn't have had to start over agian with a new QB when we had an improving and developing star. Since when is 32 to old to become a star. Almost all superstar QBs in the league are over 32. Kitna is just a late bloomer that gets better the more he starts.And what do you think Kitna is going to say,"I'm better than Carson and I should start this year". Yeah, that would sure get the fans on his side.I just think we could have done it this year instead of three or four years from now.I will say one thing though. I hope Carson makes me look dumb and take us to the playoffs. I hope I am wrong and that Carson was the right choice for now rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Since when is 32 to old to become a star. Almost all superstar QBs in the league are over 32. Kitna is just a late bloomer that gets better the more he starts. Really? Explain Payton Manning, Tom Brady, Donovan McNabb, Mike Vick, Daunte Cullpepper, Chad Pennington, Matt Hassleback.....All of those guys are under 30. The only "superstar" QB's playing over 30 are Favre and....Well hell, no one else...sometimes Warner has a flash or two, but his best days are behind him...What other old men are out there? Testeverde? Gannon? Kitna was never gonna be elite. He doesn't have the arm strength or the hands to hold the ball and he makes a lot of bad decisions when the game is on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IckeyShuffle Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Lewis was also asked about the panic in some precincts of Bengals Nation calling for quarterback Jon Kitna to replace Carson Palmer after Palmer's four-turnover day. "I share their disappointment, but we're not going to share their panic," Lewis said. "We're going to stay our course. Carson made a number of fine plays. There are a couple of plays he'll learn from and not ever do again, I'm sure." There are football fans, and then there are fans who know football. 1-2 is not a time to panic, not a time to look desperate, not a time to flinch. Its adversity and you deal with it straight on as anyone who has played or coached football will tell you happens in any given season. We stay the course, weather the injuries and learn from our mistakes. It was about this time last year that we became the hottest team in football. Let's look ahead to the Pittsburgh Squealers and take care of business. 2-2 at the bye would be huge success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalNation1281 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I know that there are some of you who still believe that Palmer is the way and the light, but after two straight weeks of bad passes and even worse decisions, it is time to start Kitna. If they want to turn this season around, they need to start Kitna. Yes, I know, the defense is awful, but the offense has looked just as bad, and we haven't scored a touchdown in two games. I've got a fever, and the only cure for that fever is KITNA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 merge this retarded post with the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I know that there are some of you who still believe that Palmer is the way and the light, but after two straight weeks of bad passes and even worse decisions, it is time to start Kitna. If they want to turn this season around, they need to start Kitna. Yes, I know, the defense is awful, but the offense has looked just as bad, and we haven't scored a touchdown in two games. I've got a fever, and the only cure for that fever is KITNA! Don't you think the problem with our defense is in direct correlation with our offense? I'm not a homer, but I do believe Palmer is why we won against Miami and at the same token, it's why I believe Bratkowski forces such a passing schematic that the whole offensive philosophy becomes one dimensional forcing the entire opposition to sit on the pass. It's not just Palmer, there are other factors involved. As with every single offense in the NFL (other than the god named Manning), if balance is removed from the offensive philosophy, so is any idealism of victory.Trust me... you are about to get the rage of the Bengal community of pro-Palmerism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I like this post. Well thought out actually, and I agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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