Critics Owe Apology To Palmer!

[jditty47]

i musta drank too much or was too pissed at the D to remember them.

[bengalsfansince68]

Still would have liked to see Carson avoid throwing an INT to close the game. Oh well, hopefully he'll learn next time.

Josh,

I am not surprised that you come up with a negative post about Carson given your insistance throughout the post season that the only possible reasons for naming Carson the starter were money and politics.

Sure we all wish that he had not made that mistake at the end of the game but you are pushing for perfection from a guy who you insisted all along had no business being on the field.

Even with the pick, the man had a qb rating of 105. No doubt this decision was political and motivated by money. Not a chance that Marv could see who is the better qb between Carson and Kitna. I guess that you were right all along.

If his opening day performance did not open your eyes, stay tuned. You will have to admit that you were wrong. I will insist on it

No offense, Josh. I knew you were wrong when you said it and the first game does nothing to back you up.

[BengalBobNC]

No offense, Josh. I knew you were wrong when you said it and the first game does nothing to back you up.

It sounded more like constructive criticism to me. Palmer admitted that as well. He said he didn't see the safety lurking and if he had to do it all over again, he would've checked off to another receiver.

[Kirkendall]

Thanks for bringing all that up...

I'm not going to go through all of this again, just because I was forced to explain myself for about a week straight. But keep in mind, while you call me out for being a critic, I was critical of the situation NOT CARSON PALMER!

Now with that in mind, with Carson himself acknowledging he should have "checked down".. why is it a bad thing to be critical of interception that shouldn't have been thrown? After all, an INT is negative and that INT was the last Bengals offensive play, correct?

BTW - You didn't prove me wrong at anything. I said it was motivated by politics and money, even you said the same words yourself. How is that different from my position?

You act as if I want Palmer to fail... is that what you're trying to say?

[TippCityRick]

Mr. Kirkendall (I haven't been around long enough to call you Josh):

It seems you are peeved with the Bengals for promoting CP to the starting QB job ahead of JK. Yes, I believe as you do that a good part of the reason had to do with money and politics, however I will allow (no matter how much I like JK as a person) that CP has the tools and temperament to be a much better QB in the short and long term.

I spent a bit of time this afternoon on your website. Good stuff. We are probably pretty complementary in our political positions. However you rip the Democrats for not being able to accept the world as it is - that they want their fantasy land of peace, or as you put it "The world should use the Hoffman-Scorses doctrine for all of the worlds problems." Well, the salary cap is the inevitability in the NFL. Decisions are made every day with the salary cap as the sole consideration. Yeah, JK should have been able to fight for his job, but then CP would not have gotten as many snaps in practice. He would not be as prepared as he is right now. If CP fails (and I don't think he will) or gets injured, we have a prepared JK to step in. If there was an open contest and JK won, then if JK failed or got hurt then we have a less than prepared CP stepping in.

What I'm saying is that due to the salary cap, CP was going to be around. The Bengals had no other real choice but to get him all the reps possible and see if they were correct in drafting him Number 1 last year.

(of course this message doesn't even begin to get into all the other reasons CP is now the QB including CP's bigger arm, longer career ahead of him, and mobility not to mention JK's inability to lead the team to victory when we weren't overlooked last year, but I'll save that for another post )

Please forgive me for being so wordy, but there aren't alot of active topics today and I'm bored at work.

[Kirkendall]

It's cool, you can call me Josh if you want..

I'm not peeved, I was disappointed when the annoucement was made and my points back then are points similiar to the one's you made now. I don't think I've said anything about the issue until '68 brought them up. I moved on, he made sure to take note then so it was brought up again to "prove a point" AFTER the first game.

Regarding politics, I'd be more than happy to discuss this in the "Current Events" section just because 98% of the people here would rather not deal with it.

I didn't know such a small sentence would have me called out, but it's cool. I love debating the team I love if anything else, to expand on the thinking of our team.

But I will say now, I'm glad Palmer is starting not because I was wrong -- I never said Palmer will fail -- but because the way our defense is playing and the countless injuries. I think Kitna requires more around him to succeed while Palmer, from the hopes of it, will succeed with problems around him.

[Kirkendall]

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[Bobcat Bengal]

You act as if I want Palmer to fail... is that what you're trying to say?

No, our boy from Kansas, the Kitna man wants him to fail.

I can't remember his handle, but he's the one with all the Kansas Jayhawks and Kansas State Wildcat banners for his signatures....

He's clearly hating on Palmer....

[BleedinGreenNC]

I have heard how Boller can throw 50 yards from his knees, and I've heard that no doubt Leftwich is the best young quarterback in the league. I have also read how foolish the Bengals were for benching the perennial Pro Bowler (yeah right) Jon Kitna for Palmer because they were paying him too much to keep him on the bench. Well maybe the professional coaching staff knew that Palmer was the man. It's only 1 game but he looked great. I don't care about that last int. It was a miracle that they were even in that position considering how horrible the defense was. I never got that geeked watching any of our 10 other qbs. It's nice to have a real QB. Screw all of you Palmer doubters. So far so good. He's only going to get better.

I tell ya, he is going to be stellar for years to come, with a one, two, three punch combo that you have in Palmer, Johnson and Johnson, you have a new era Cowboys team in the making. You are going to be dangerous for many years to come if you keep your core group intact! And i do not think you guys are going to miss Dillion, Johnson is going to pick up where he left off!

[jditty47]

i honestly think it'll be a 1-2-3-4 punch with Johnson and Perry (this season)splittin carries by the end of the season. If Rudi doesnt have a blow up season, we wont resign him. An avg season will get him a different team and Our first rounder a starting job.

Look at what they did with walter, they will do alot more with Perry when he's healthy.

[bengalsfansince68]

BTW - You didn't prove me wrong at anything. I said it was motivated by politics and money, even you said the same words yourself. How is that different from my position?

You act as if I want Palmer to fail... is that what you're trying to say?

Josh,

Perhaps you missed the sarcasm when I used your words in my last post.

My point was, as it was throughout the post season, that Marvin saw who is and will be the better QB and the money was a secondary consideration. Your point was that money was the primary and in fact only consideration in the decision to promote Carson. I believed then and I believe now that the point you were making was and is wrong. Carson is our future and promoting him now was the right thing to do.

No, I do not think that you want Carson to fail. I have no doubt that you love our team as much as any of us.

I felt at the time that your point that this decision was based soley on money was ridiculous.

If I hear you admit that it is at least possible that the decision was made because Marvin knows that Carson is by far the better choice, not a fact, just that it is possible, then I will move on.

Sorry Josh, but it drives me nuts when you conservatives state things as fact when you can not possibly know them to be fact.

Five years from now everyone will be hard pressed to remember Kitna's name.

[bengalsfansince68]

No offense, Josh. I knew you were wrong when you said it and the first game does nothing to back you up.

It sounded more like constructive criticism to me. Palmer admitted that as well. He said he didn't see the safety lurking and if he had to do it all over again, he would've checked off to another receiver.

Bob,

Obviously you missed the point of my first post completely.

[Kirkendall]

Sorry Josh, but it drives me nuts when you conservatives state things as fact when you can not possibly know them to be fact.

You Conservatives? How does this relate to the Bengals?

Your first post.

No doubt this decision was political and motivated by money.

Your second post.

I felt at the time that your point that this decision was based soley on money was ridiculous.

Please make up your mind.

If I hear you admit that it is at least possible that the decision was made because Marvin knows that Carson is by far the better choice, not a fact, just that it is possible, then I will move on.

I already did six months ago.

[bengalsfansince68]

Sorry Josh, but it drives me nuts when you conservatives state things as fact when you can not possibly know them to be fact.

You Conservatives? How does this relate to the Bengals?

If I hear you admit that it is at least possible that the decision was made because Marvin knows that Carson is by far the better choice, not a fact, just that it is possible, then I will move on.

I already did six months ago.

Josh,

The conservatives reference does not relate to the Bengals, it relates to you. I know that you are not going to deny it.

If you have in fact admitted it then I apoplgize. I never saw anything all off season other than this was driven by money only and that really irked me because I and others that I know could see Kit's shortcomings.

[BengalBobNC]

Obviously you missed the point of my first post completely.

No, I think you did. I was not talking about your post directly. I was talking about Josh's one comment about the INT that you quoted.

I missed all of Josh's comments during the off season concerning Kitna and Palmer by not getting back to this board until recently.

No matter...I won't hold it against you if don't hold it against me. We all have our opinions, sometimes they match, sometimes they don't.

[bengalsfansince68]

Your first post.

No doubt this decision was political and motivated by money.

Your second post.

I felt at the time that your point that this decision was based soley on money was ridiculous.

Please make up your mind.

Josh,

Perhaps my attempt at sarcasm was feeble or perhaps you just don't get it.

[Kirkendall]

Sorry Josh, but it drives me nuts when you conservatives state things as fact when you can not possibly know them to be fact.

You Conservatives? How does this relate to the Bengals?

If I hear you admit that it is at least possible that the decision was made because Marvin knows that Carson is by far the better choice, not a fact, just that it is possible, then I will move on.

I already did six months ago.

Josh,

The conservatives reference does not relate to the Bengals, it relates to you. I know that you are not going to deny it.

If you have in fact admitted it then I apoplgize. I never saw anything all off season other than this was driven by money only and that really irked me because I and others that I know could see Kit's shortcomings.

Take up whatever problem you have with me via Personal Messenger...

[BengalBobNC]

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[bengalsfansince68]

Take up whatever problem you have with me via Personal Messenger...

Dude,

I have no problem with you personnally. Your insistance that promoting Carson was motivated only by money was irritating to me. It was not only you. There were others. I said then and I say now, Carson is a better QB.

It is not personal. It is irritating to me.

SORRY!

[Kirkendall]

I know you don't have a problem with me personally -- I could care less if you did -- but I'd rather you and I discuss it between us to save other members here the trouble.

The thing about it is, it happened months ago when snow was still on the ground. We've moved on.. My question is WHY are you bringing this up now even after I stated I'm happy with Carson as the QB. I -- again explaining myself for the umpteenth time -- am confused why after the first game, you are trying to "prove a point" I never argued.

I apologize if what i said is irritating you, but let's move on man; everyone else has. Sometimes things you don't agree with aren’t necessarily wrong; such as conservatism.

[bengalsfansince68]

I -- again explaining myself for the umpteenth time -- am confused why after the first game, you are trying to "prove a point" I never argued.

You never made the argument that the decision to promote Carson was based soley on money?

I'll move on but you did make that argument many times and it was erroneous.

End of discussion!

[Barbarian]

I -- again explaining myself for the umpteenth time -- am confused why after the first game, you are trying to "prove a point" I never argued.

You never made the argument that the decision to promote Carson was based soley on money?

I'll move on but you did make that argument many times and it was erroneous.

End of discussion!

Here Kirk, I'll save you the headaches.

Bungles68--I'll say that the Palmer Promotion WAS for money reasons. Why you say??? Because it's logical. The Bungles nearly made the playoffs with Kitna taking the snaps. The offensive production was at a 5-year high. So, if something works why replace it???

The only explanation can be because of Mike Brown and his medling--and that means MONEY.

[BengalBobNC]

I'll move on but you did make that argument many times and it was erroneous.

End of discussion!

Here Kirk, I'll save you the headaches.....

Just when we thought this thread was going to finally die we get another reply.

Oops, wait a minute, I'm replying too. DAMN!!!! This will never end!!!!

Damn!! Damn!! Damn!! Damn!! Damn!! Damn!! Damn!! Damn!!

[jditty47]

i dont agree barb. It was made for the future. Look at the rest of the lineup, its gotten younger. Marvin is all about the future and the future is Palmer, not Kitna. And for the future to happen sooner than later, palmer needs to get his feet wet ASAP.