Whur CHad At? Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Just reported he has stress fracture in foot and will need surgeory and will miss 10 weeks.He can't work out, but do we still consider him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 JClayton of ESPN seems to think that the Seahawks may pass on him now and that the Bengals may still consider taking him with TJ gone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 No thanks, there are other players that will have more of an impact next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 And it turns out he is only 6'1 instead of 6'3. Honestly, I think Maclin is a more likely choice for the bengals, considering how much they have talked about getting an impact return man as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baraka Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 i can't wait to see how fast maclin runs, that said i think there are some good receivers that could be had at the top of the third. so we don't need to take a guy so early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 And it turns out he is only 6'1 instead of 6'3. Honestly, I think Maclin is a more likely choice for the bengals, considering how much they have talked about getting an impact return man as well.Couldn't agree with you more in regards to them also getting a top punt return man. He would probably serve that role more his rookie year than anything else. I also think with Crabtree getting hurt, Maclin becomes the first WR off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I think Crabtree will still be #1 off the board just from what he has done already. The guy can play, and we all know that. If he runs a 4.5 who cares, Larry Fitz ran around the same time as that. Crabtree's body of work so far warrant's at least an consideration at #6 if he is there. He is a good route runner.The guy came from the Spread offense which forces recievers to run a lot of different routes. And he has great hands, no body catches. I think we should take a very close look at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 He's the one blue chip prospect I haven't considered seriously, and now I don't think I have to. And yeah, I hope the Bengals look at it the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 He's the one blue chip prospect I haven't considered seriously, and now I don't think I have to. And yeah, I hope the Bengals look at it the same way.The biggest deal breaker is the fact the he's only 6'1'' instead of 6'3''. A 4.5 forty is very pedestrian in a draft the has at least 4 TE's run in the 4.5 range at today's combine. As far as his body of work goes, most of his catches come within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage in an extremely pass happy offense. I think Maclin is the more versatile player both as a receiver and especially as a kick returner. If he's drafted by the Bengals, he immediately becomes the starting kick and punt returner while he learns the game, similar to McElvin in Buffalo last year, only at a different position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I generally don't like taking QB and WR from those spread-style offenses that work so well in college but not the pros. Witness all the crappy QB and WR who came from Florida under Spurrier, Ware and Klingler way back when from Houston, Alex Smith from Utah, etc.I think Crabtree's pretty good, but I think that sort of environment inflates your numbers and makes it hard to predict how a guy will play in a pro environment. Between that and his injury, I don't see him at 6.I wouldn't be pissed if they took him - after all, the Bengals have a lot invested in Carson and he needs somebody to catch - but I'd rather see line if there's a decent one available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 As much as I would like a WR with the nickname Crabman...WR at 6 just feels so eh......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 The last WR taken at #6 was Torry Holt...just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Top 10 WR's fail almost as much Top 10 D-linemen. Koren Robinson, David Terrell, Troy Williamson and some cat named Peter Warrick are a few I can think of off the top of my head that were viewed as can't miss propects that missed.Consder his size (6'1'', 215) and speed (4.55 forty at best) and the fact that he played in an offense that juices up passing numbers in a weak pass defense conference, I'm officially saying no to Crabtree at #6. Combine that with the HELL NO to Andre Smith and the #6 pick is wide open. If we trade out of the top 10 and they're still there, then it becomes a discussion. I hoping that Beanie Wells, Knowshon Moreno, Aaron Maybin or Everett Brown can have a strong enough combine to move into that #6 pick discussion. As it stands right now, I'd take Raji #6 as a safe pick. I have a feeling that Maclin and Malcolm Jenkins are going to be talked about at that pick after the Combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Anquan Bolden wasn't a top ten pick but ran a 4.74 at the combine. Looks like he turned out pretty well. I think Larry Fitz ran a 4.5 or so at his pro day...that turned out well. Let's face it, the kid can play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I always thought Crabtree was not even a thought as he would be gone by #6 and IF the pick for us was WR, then Maclin was the one. To tell you the truth, I was always more than ok with that fact considering our consecutive years of futility in the return game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I think that if Crabtree is there we will trade down with San Fran or Jacksonville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I think that if Crabtree is there we will trade down with San Fran or JacksonvilleHow about the 49ers throw in Manny Lawson and a 4th round pick for us to go down? Marvin loves this guy and San Fran has apparently given up on him. He could be that edge pash rusher we need. It was reported that the Bengals had targeted him as the player they most wanted in the '06 draft, when they settled for J.Jo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'd love it. Then I'd take Rey Rey with that pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 This track in Indy looks pretty slow this year. Rey was a 4.78 on campus before the season. If he runs in the 4.9 range, he might be there at #38.He has to go to a team that has some monstrous DT's in front of him, like in Minnesota. The way he struggles to shed blocks is scary, especially on our team and in the AFC North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Here's another question on Crabtree. He says he's played the entire season with the injury and that it's pain free. Why not just run in Indy and then get the surgery instead of his Pro Day in a few weeks if the injury has a 6-10 week recovery time from surgery? That way, he still should be good for the beginning of camp or at least further along in his rehab.I guess the better question is, why run at all? His stock can do nothing but drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Who knows. I dont think he should run, but I think he feels he has to prove critics wrong and I don't think he needs to. THe Critics are already wrong. Show your s**t on the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Here's another question on Crabtree. He says he's played the entire season with the injury and that it's pain free. Why not just run in Indy and then get the surgery instead of his Pro Day in a few weeks if the injury has a 6-10 week recovery time from surgery? It's not the same injury. The NFL medical types determined the stress fracture was very recent and probably happened while Crabtree trained for the combine. And again, the idea that Crabtree has had three lower leg injuries, one serious enough to require surgery, within a year is more troubling to me than the thought of anything Andre Smith has or hasn't done to date. He's shorter than first thought, possibly slower than many feared, and now has to answer questions about durability. As for the question of Crabtree attempting to run before the draft....I wouldn't. He's unlikely to answer the questions that already existed about his speed and most likely would only create more questions that couldn't be answered until later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 So if he's 6'1'', 215, runs around a 4.55 or 4.6 forty, is he that much better than a Jerome Simpson who is a nearly is big, considerably faster, a better athlete and has a year in the system already?He may be more polished but I didn't see him as a potential game-breaker before the injury. He played in a 70% pass system against the pourous defensive backs of the Big 12. All the top receivers in that conference put up incredible numbers. He should be a consistent possession receiver in the NFL, but he is not in the same mold as a Andre Johnson/Calvin Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald type of receiver as the best WR in this class. I'd rather have Maclin, who is far more explosive and can give you something in the return game while he learns the offense and adjusts to the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 And just like that Maclin tweaks a knee. Nicely done, Happy. Now turn your mojo on Oher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 And just like that Maclin tweaks a knee. Nicely done, Happy. Now turn your mojo on Oher.Looks like a minor injury for Maclin. He still managed to finish the day, unlike Rey and Orakpo. I'm still taking Mac over Crab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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