A solution that helps everybody involved

[derekshank]

I get what you are saying in regards to Campbell and won't disagree. I sort of look at Chad in the same way people looked at Steve Smith last year. Steve Smith lost Delhomme for the year and wasn't the impact WR everyone grew to love there in Carolina. Granted he still caught for 1000+ yards, but wasn't a factor in anyway. This year ?? Delhomme is back, Smith catches for better than 1400 and is in the pro bowl. Does anyone think the same couldn't be expected of Chad with Carson coming back ?? Wait a minute, I think I made an argument to keep him... Sh*t... Anyway, I suppose if there is a team in need of a WR with a QB capable of throwing the deep ball, there is a way to see something happening.

Fair enough. With a QB that can throw the deep ball, it's possible (who knows, maybe even probable) that Chad returns to his old river dancing, pylon putting, ugly cheerleader proposing self. Perhaps there are even some GM's that would see it that way. But if you just go by the numbers, there is no way to deny that the risk has increased.

There are a million ways to explain away a bad locker room presence. "He's just a competitor," "He just needs a change of scenery," "Randy Moss changed in New England... so can he." But just continuing with the Redskins scenario - he would have been the 4th leading receiver for their "23rd ranked passing attack" and "28th ranked scoring offense."

Why would any GM believe that the 2nd most productive receiver for the league's worst offense would be the answer to any of their woes? Most GM's will explain away poor character. None of them explain away poor production.

Who knows? Maybe there are GM's out there desperate enough to up the ante for a possible high-risk, high-reward situation. This would make me wrong and Hair right... and I respect his opinion for more than just the witty and humorous prose that he uses so well... but in this case I simply disagree. I just don't see how Chad's stock can avoid resembling that of the current Wall Street situation.

[Kazkal]

If (and in my mind it's a huge 'IF') they can get a 1st round pick for him...

Again, what changed?

After being spurned on draft day did the Redskins turn to a backup plan so successful they no longer need Chad?

Well, no....they didn't.

Rather, they did what most teams are forced into doing. They burned draft picks in the hope they could find an upgrade.

Selected two WR's and a TE. Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly.

So how'd that work out for them?

21 catches, 165 yards, 7.8 yard average, and 0 TD's.

Combined.

So what changed?

Nothing, right?

In fact, their need for a true #1 option is more glaring than ever.

23rd ranked passing attack.

28th ranked scoring offense.

No playoffs. Again.

So why wouldn't they match their previous offer?

In fact, seeing how their draft package didn't get the job done the last time around.....why wouldn't they improve it?

Well, for one they've already traded away their 2nd round pick in this draft. I doubt they'll so willingly throw another 1st rounder away and wait until the 3rd round to get a draft pick.

Well it's the redskins it's not like their use to 1st day picks anyways.

Also, you asked what has changed. Well, we're talking about Chad Johnson, right? How about his production? After the '07 season he had 93 catches for 1440 yards and 8 TD's. This year he had merely 53 catches, 540 yards and 4 TD's - and only 3 catches of over 20 yards (a season long 23 yard catch).

A lot of people are quick to blame Palmer's injury for Chad's lack of production. Fine... but how is Jason Campbell going to help considering the Redskins were ranked 28th in passes over 20 yards and 29th in passes over 40.

My point... perhaps you're willing to give up a first round pick on a prima donna when he gives you 1,500 yards and game changing plays. Much less likely to do so for a guy who didn't manage to crack the top 70 in receiving.

maybe they'll look at his body of work and figure he had one bad season on a bad team with horrible team...Not saying it's likely but I wouldn't be surprised ..

[derekshank]

maybe they'll look at his body of work and figure he had one bad season on a bad team with horrible team...Not saying it's likely but I wouldn't be surprised ..

I'd like to use Jerry Rice's body of work and bring him out of retirement.

I know, I know. Not a fair comparison... but Chad is on the wrong side of 30, and his poor season is merely reason for his stock to drop - not rise. This is why I feel it is unrealistic to expect another 1st round offer for his services.

Then again, this whole discussion is probably moot seeing that Mike Brown will either refuse to trade him or Goodell will overrule it.

[combatbengal]

It's beautiful to have a dream!

[HAPPYJAQ]

Roy Williams completely destroyed Chad's trade value this year.

The Cowboys gave up a 1st, 3rd and 6th round pick for a player that caught 19 passes for 198 yards and 1 TD....in 9 games! Although he is a less acomplished receiver than Chad, he is 4 years younger and you have the think the Cowboys expected more production from a player they had just signed to a 5-year, 45 million dollar contract (another reason T.J. won't be back).

I do believe a team like Philly or especially the N.Y. Giants would be willing to trade a 1st or perhaps a 2nd and conditional 4th for Chad, where the Redskins had offered 2 1st round picks last season. The bigger question is whether Mike Brown would be willing to pull the trigger on such a trade this year.

[ArmyBengal]

I get what you are saying in regards to Campbell and won't disagree. I sort of look at Chad in the same way people looked at Steve Smith last year. Steve Smith lost Delhomme for the year and wasn't the impact WR everyone grew to love there in Carolina. Granted he still caught for 1000+ yards, but wasn't a factor in anyway. This year ?? Delhomme is back, Smith catches for better than 1400 and is in the pro bowl. Does anyone think the same couldn't be expected of Chad with Carson coming back ?? Wait a minute, I think I made an argument to keep him... Sh*t... Anyway, I suppose if there is a team in need of a WR with a QB capable of throwing the deep ball, there is a way to see something happening.

Why would any GM believe that the 2nd most productive receiver for the league's worst offense would be the answer to any of their woes? Most GM's will explain away poor character. None of them explain away poor production.

I will agree that the risk has increased and I'm sure not going to try to defend Chad's antics as I've spent to many posts yelling "F*CK YOU CHAD" to even attempt that. However, to answer the above I think you need look no further than Chad's production prior to Carson going down and having Nutzpatrick throwing him the ball and I truly believe there are owner, GM's, and coaches that would do just that. The 5 years prior to this past years fiasco has resulted in an average of 1374 yards receiving, 8.6 TDs, and yards per catch of 14.9. Not to mention the consecutive pro bowls and leading the league in receiving yards in more consecutive years than even Jerry Rice was able to accomplish. I just think he gives a team more IMMEDIATELY than any draft could regardless of Chads age.

That being said, I also agree that Chad will more than likely be in stripes. Funny how as I continue to make arguments to get rid of him, they could be used as arguments to keep him. But, as mentioned, it's become more than stats for us wanting to rid ourselves of Chad and that could be the deal breaker in anything getting done...

[HairOnFire]

Roy Williams completely destroyed Chad's trade value this year.

No, he didn't. All the Williams deal did was remove the Cowboys from further consideration. Washington remains. Seattle needs a wideout more than ever. The Giants suddenly look like a potential player. There will be interest. Furthermore, the Williams deal only strengthened the Bengals bargaining position in regards to asking price. A 1st and a 3rd wasn't enough to land Chad the first time, wouldn't have been enough to land Williams, and won't be enough to land Chad if there's a next time...gawd willing.

I do believe a team like Philly or especially the N.Y. Giants would be willing to trade a 1st or perhaps a 2nd and conditional 4th for Chad, where the Redskins had offered 2 1st round picks last season. The bigger question is whether Mike Brown would be willing to pull the trigger on such a trade this year.

So a 1st and a conditional 4th compared to last years 1st and a conditional 3rd?

Aren't we splitting flaming hairs here?

[HairOnFire]

I just think he gives a team more IMMEDIATELY than any draft could regardless of Chads age.

There it is.

That being said, I also agree that Chad will more than likely be in stripes.

And there it is again.

Let's be perfectly clear on this. I'm not predicting Chad is traded. I'm predicting the Bengals will receive a very comparable trade offer if they put him on the block. What happens next is anyones guess because I can't seem to forget how soundly the Bengals rejected the Redskins offer.

[ArmyBengal]

What happens next is anyones guess because I can't seem to forget how soundly the Bengals rejected the Redskins offer.

It really was funny. They didn't seem to give it a second thought, it was just NO and done...

[Kazkal]

Roy Williams completely destroyed Chad's trade value this year.

The Cowboys gave up a 1st, 3rd and 6th round pick for a player that caught 19 passes for 198 yards and 1 TD....in 9 games! Although he is a less acomplished receiver than Chad, he is 4 years younger and you have the think the Cowboys expected more production from a player they had just signed to a 5-year, 45 million dollar contract (another reason T.J. won't be back).

I do believe a team like Philly or especially the N.Y. Giants would be willing to trade a 1st or perhaps a 2nd and conditional 4th for Chad, where the Redskins had offered 2 1st round picks last season. The bigger question is whether Mike Brown would be willing to pull the trigger on such a trade this year.

I think roy could produced more had he been there start of season and had time to work with the team,everyone knows romo has his "favorite" targets.