ntpou Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 I like Anderson as a RB coach I think he is one of best. Could someone tell me why we haven't given Rudi a long term deal. Is he not a Team Player, not durable, not productive, not coachable, cancer in the locker room, does not go to vol. mini-camps, or too many carries in the past 3 years. I don't get it this guy is a must for our team. :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 I like Anderson as a RB coach I think he is one of best. Could someone tell me why we haven't given Rudi a long term deal. Is he not a Team Player, not durable, not productive, not coachable, cancer in the locker room, does not go to vol. mini-camps, or too many carries in the past 3 years. I don't get it this guy is a must for our team. :player: How do you know that Anderson isn't advocating this? How do you know that he doesn't think that Perry is the better future? Why aren't we blaming Rudi for not putting his financial considerations aside and sign a three-year deal that's benefital to both the team and himself? We don't know the facts yet and more importantly, we have no idea how this will play out in the first place. Best part of it is, we have options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Why the rush to sign Rudi to a long term deal? Firstly we don't have the cap space to sign him at a much higher rate than what he's being paid now. Secondly, was he a one year wonder? (I don't think he was, but...) You don't make a long term commitment to a player unless you are 100% sure that he's got "it". Say the team does give him a big contract, then he doesn't put up good numbers? Everyone will be claiming how stupid it was to reward an unknown back big money....But if he does have a ripper of a year then sign him halfway, or just wait till the end of the season and tag him. Just cause he'll be a unrestricted free agent doesn't mean we can't restrict him. Not signing Rudi has been one of the better front office moves....Besides, players work harder when they need a new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntpou Posted May 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 If he ( Anderson ) is so confident in taking C.Perry in the 1st Rd. I think he should know if Rudi is a one year wonder or not. The guy is showing up 3 weeks early for camp. Saying all the right things. The longer we wait the more $ he is going to want. Maybe he needs to threaten to sit out of camp until he gets a deal. Thats what most players would have done. And you know what it works for them. I think this is part of being a 1st organization by taking care things early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Maybe he needs to threaten to sit out of camp until he gets a deal. If he does that then he loses all credibility and his fan base will quickly disappear. This would be the worst move for him both financially and strategically. Rudi hasn't played enough to demand a sitout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 yeah, rudi just doesn't have enough playing time to demand any more than he's gotten at this point...especially with a 1st rounder waiting behind him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 yeah, rudi just doesn't have enough playing time to demand any more than he's gotten at this point...especially with a 1st rounder waiting behind him... I agree, he has absolutely no upper hand to work with. Brown and Marvin would call his bluff and I believe Rudi knows that signing the offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntpou Posted May 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Are we taking advantage of Rudi being a team player. He did have 3 150yard games and a game with 43 carries I think. I don't thik that was a fluke and I think his timing is going to get better with a whole preseason & minus Cory to deal with. Maybe it was a plan all along to let him go after this season thats why we drafted C.Perry. Would you consider it a reach to sign him to a long- deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Are we taking advantage of Rudi being a team player. He did have 3 150yard games and a game with 43 carries I think. I don't thik that was a fluke and I think his timing is going to get better with a whole preseason & minus Cory to deal with. Maybe it was a plan all along to let him go after this season thats why we drafted C.Perry. Would you consider it a reach to sign him to a long- deal. football is a business. marvin and co. are making a smart business move that gives us the most options in the long run. since you cant predict the future, those extra options may come in handy. if he plays well his price will go up. then we have a choice of paying him the money he deserves as a top back in the league, or if perry shows he can carry the load, they'll let rudi hit the fa market and get a big deal somewhere else. if he turns out to be a one year wonder, then we let him go, and the coaches look like brilliant masterminds for not committing to a giant contract too early. either way, we should be alright in the long run... rudi understands that, which is why he's not throwing a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brew Man Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Yeah, you cant blame either side really. Rudi and his agent are trying to capitalize on his good season, him being a fan fave and the Bengals positive outlook.. But Brown and CO. are saying they need to see a bit more before they commit long term. Seems pretty cut and dried to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntpou Posted May 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 It just seems Rudi is the perfect Lewis player peroid. If we sign him now I think we save money later. Up until this point Lewis has done an outstanding job & Ive agreed with everything he done. Not that it matters. I think If we wait until the end of the year his $ will be too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 It just seems Rudi is the perfect Lewis player peroid. If we sign him now I think we save money later. Up until this point Lewis has done an outstanding job & Ive agreed with everything he done. Not that it matters. I think If we wait until the end of the year his $ will be too high. Look at it this way, if we sign him to a long term, medium $ contract; there's a possibility he could sit out until we renegotiate his contract. I think there's arguments for both sides of the discussion. Seems like we might be talking about this until next off-season pending on the performances of both backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardG Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 There is probably little interest for Rudi to sign longterm - he has only has less than a season of work, and thus his market value isn't as high as it could be. Obviously, Rudi wants this year to prove he is an upp-echelon back who deserves upper-echelon money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 There is probably little interest for Rudi to sign longterm - he has only has less than a season of work, and thus his market value isn't as high as it could be. Obviously, Rudi wants this year to prove he is an upp-echelon back who deserves upper-echelon money.You make a good point, but it's counter to what is being said by his agent. According to him, he's saying that a runningback with two good seasons behind him has never hit the fa market at Rudi's age and he thinks that it will create a " windfall " market.He's going to say that .... he's Rudi's agent. #1 He's counting on Rudi having another breakout year, and #2 He's not figuring that the Bengals could tag him and then use that as leverage either in negotiations with Rudi or with other teams interested in trading* for him. If we got a 2nd rounder for Cancer Dillon, what could we get for all round team player .... 1,000 yd rushing Rudi ??? All depends on how he does and how Perry pans out. Either way, I have to agree with the consensus that they won't both likely be here next year.* Forgot ... Bengals would have to sign him first and then trade for him or let him go to the higher off and then take the compenation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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