Warrick or Washington starting

[Kirkendall]

i said he should have comparable stats to what harrison had last year, which was an off year for harrison, not to mention warrick wil have an extra game to get the #'s harrison had, since harrison played only 15 games. I never said warrick was as good as Harrison.

I could be wrong--but didn't Harrison have over 100 catches last year???

I'm too lazy to look that up.

No.

In his defense, and yours, he was hurt for I think one or two games.

[halp]

warrick is a dillon clone as far as attitude goes. attitude that is NOT positive. the sooner he is gone the better for the team and salary cap!!!!!!! think back on his actions and attitudes. too easily affect by OTHER negative attitudes. can't stand the dude. over rated, over payed and over PLAYED. piss off pdub

[Kirkendall]

warrick is a dillon clone as far as attitude goes. attitude that is NOT positive. the sooner he is gone the better for the team and salary cap!!!!!!! think back on his actions and attitudes. too easily affect by OTHER negative attitudes. can't stand the dude. over rated, over payed and over PLAYED. piss off pdub

P-Dub dated one of my co-workers and she did nothing but talk about his geniune and caring attitude. His attitude and charactor is ok.

[BengalDave73]

warrick is a dillon clone as far as attitude goes.  attitude that is NOT positive.  the sooner he is gone the better for the team and salary cap!!!!!!!  think back on his actions and attitudes.  too easily affect by OTHER negative attitudes.  can't stand the dude.  over rated, over payed and over PLAYED.  piss off pdub

P-Dub dated one of my co-workers and she did nothing but talk about his geniune and caring attitude. His attitude and charactor is ok.

I could never see P-Dub having a all about me attitude like Corey.

If he did it would have come out last year with Chad getting all the pub.

[turningpoint]

i said he should have comparable stats to what harrison had last year, which was an off year for harrison, not to mention warrick wil have an extra game to get the #'s harrison had, since harrison played only 15 games. I never said warrick was as good as Harrison.

I could be wrong--but didn't Harrison have over 100 catches last year???

I'm too lazy to look that up.

Peter warrick had 79 catches in 15 games last year. while harrison had i believe had 94 catches in 15 games and 1272 yds.

Anyways i've been saying all along i think warrick's production will go up this year due to more attention being payed to Chad Johnson.

so anyways i think Warrick in 16 games will have close to what harrison did in 15 games last year.

I preict warrick's 2004 #'s to be like 95 catches and 1100 yds if he starts all 16 games and isn't injured.

[Kirkendall]

warrick is a dillon clone as far as attitude goes.  attitude that is NOT positive.  the sooner he is gone the better for the team and salary cap!!!!!!!  think back on his actions and attitudes.  too easily affect by OTHER negative attitudes.  can't stand the dude.  over rated, over payed and over PLAYED.  piss off pdub

P-Dub dated one of my co-workers and she did nothing but talk about his geniune and caring attitude. His attitude and charactor is ok.

I could never see P-Dub having a all about me attitude like Corey.

If he did it would have come out last year with Chad getting all the pub.

I absolutely agree.

[Kirkendall]

i said he should have comparable stats to what harrison had last year, which was an off year for harrison, not to mention warrick wil have an extra game to get the #'s harrison had, since harrison played only 15 games. I never said warrick was as good as Harrison.

Well Warrick had lost more playing time than Harrison because of his own injuries and he's the second WR on the team.

[JPW]

Dude, Peter Warrick is no Cory Dillon.

His attitude will be just fine.

[Barbarian]

i said he should have comparable stats to what harrison had last year, which was an off year for harrison, not to mention warrick wil have an extra game to get the #'s harrison had, since harrison played only 15 games. I never said warrick was as good as Harrison.

I could be wrong--but didn't Harrison have over 100 catches last year???

I'm too lazy to look that up.

Peter warrick had 79 catches in 15 games last year. while harrison had i believe had 94 catches in 15 games and 1272 yds.

Anyways i've been saying all along i think warrick's production will go up this year due to more attention being payed to Chad Johnson.

so anyways i think Warrick in 16 games will have close to what harrison did in 15 games last year.

I preict warrick's 2004 #'s to be like 95 catches and 1100 yds if he starts all 16 games and isn't injured.

Ok, all of a sudden, I got outta my lazy-boy chair to do some stat checking--here is Warrick's stats for last year from NFL.com:

2003 Cincinnati Bengals 15 14 79 819 10.4 77 7 8 1 48

And here is Marvin Harrisons:

2003 Indianapolis Colts 15 15 94 1272 13.5 79 10 17 4 60

Ok, someone correct me when if I'm wrong here, but wasn't Warrick toted during the 1999 draft as "being a player that can make plays AFTER THE CATCH"????

Excuse me if I think that the analysis was a bit off!!!

To me, if you're going to have 79 catches, you should at least have 1,000 yards receiving??? He doesn't do jacks**t after the catch!!!

For every year he's played, Peter Warrick has had over 50 catches per season, but hasn't had anywhere close to 1,000 yards. That to me is a total BUSTOLA.

[halp]

boys and girls; we will see. would be ok with me if i am wrong. but don't think sooooo. KIRK... so he dated one of your coworkers, female. funny the kind of impact women have on men. know what i mean?!!!! too many receivers in camp, lot of competition, may be odd man out. we now seem to have plenty of punt returners also. seems the club is cutting down on his value.

[turningpoint]

LOL barbarian you definitly don;t watch the bengals play football, because if you;d see warrick when he catches the ball it usually take 2-3 guys to corner him, he making guys miss left and right, it just doesn't happen often. He can make guys miss easily.

[jditty47]

ya barb...um...he made a ton of catches like 3-8 yrds out that he moved for first downs. I dont care how many yards he gets as long as he makes the catch and gets the first down when needed.

[Barbarian]

ya barb...um...he made a ton of catches like 3-8 yrds out that he moved for first downs. I dont care how many yards he gets as long as he makes the catch and gets the first down when needed.

Isn't that a receiver's job??? To make first downs when it's 3rd and 5??? TO MAKE THE CATCH???

ANY NFL RECEIVER CAN DO THAT!!!

The trick is doing things AFTER THE CATCH!!!!! Which is something that Peter Warrick SUCKS at.

[schweinhart]

Aside from the RAC issue with Warrick, he's still much more reliable in traffic than Washington and proven to produce when Chad gets shut down.

Warrick and Washington both could learn how to move in open field from watching Chad. Less shucking and jiving that lets the pursuit catch up and more one cut to make the defender miss then up field and gone.

[turningpoint]

seriously though, Warrick stepped up wehn chad johnson was getting shut down, he had that 11 catch game, when cj was shut down in balitmore.

[kevnz]

seriously though, Warrick stepped up wehn chad johnson was getting shut down, he had that 11 catch game, when cj was shut down in balitmore.

But, he didn't make a difference in that game, and that is what he had to do, if he was having a good game, the Ravens would have stopped doubling up Chad so much, but they were able to ignore him, cause he didn't do anything after catching the ball...Warrick is a possession reciever, Washington has a chance to be a game breaker...P-dub was a gamebreaker in college, but the level of competition is so much greater in the NFL, it eliminated some of the advantages Warrick had at FSU. I'd like to see P-dub be a Bengal for life, but at the end of the day, I think Kelley Washington will make a better compliment to Chad Johnson and help stretch the field out, but Warrick does most of his work in the middle, and is suited for a possesion role.

[Bobcat Bengal]

warrick is a dillon clone as far as attitude goes. attitude that is NOT positive. the sooner he is gone the better for the team and salary cap!!!!!!! think back on his actions and attitudes. too easily affect by OTHER negative attitudes. can't stand the dude. over rated, over payed and over PLAYED. piss off pdub

yeah, whats up with beating up on P Dub-ya?

[halp]

he's a goner. like i said before, too many receivers and plenty of returners in camp signal a final season.

[Bobcat Bengal]

you were talking about his attitude....and basically slandering him....

thats not the same thing as him being phased out of our game plan....

[richmond_mat]

P-Dub had his best season to date and his best asset last season was his role as a third down receiver which compares to anyone in the league.  He had great hands and ran great routes. 

Having him in the slot running underneth routes, will provide many options getting first downs on third down and 7-8; having him in the slot would provide the Bengals with more oppritunites for advancing the ball.

However, P-Dub last season, earned his stripes as a veteran and should be treated as such.  He should be the #2 reciever for the role he played and how important he was to the team last season.  Look from his perspective, going to #3 would be a demotion and kind of insulting.  Washington still has to earn his hits before I can see him as the #2.

Why must it be number three. How about the notion of everyone doing what is best for the team? Maximize one's abilities to complement the others.

Coach Lewis is doing this. PW will do what's best for the team. :player: Including being number three. Unfortunately he will insist on a pay raise after the season and so will no longer be a Bengal.

[turningpoint]

why would be insist on a pay raise if he is already getting paid #1 wr money?

lol where are you guys coming up with this s**t?

seriously P-dub has a bad attitude? SINCE WHEN?

He's gonna demand more money? SINCE WHEN AND WHY?

seriously am i watching and following the same team as you guys/

[richmond_mat]

why would be insist on a pay raise if he is already getting paid #1 wr money?

That's another breason why this will be PW's last year as a bengal.

[redsfan2]

why would be insist on a pay raise if he is already getting paid #1 wr money?

That's another breason why this will be PW's last year as a bengal.

I think Warricks fate is in his own hands. If he plays at or above the level he did lat year, then he gets the contract ala CJ ................. if he doesn't, then he gets the door ala Dillon. Lewis has shown that he's good for either one with a couple of the guys. Same is likely true of Rudi.

[shworge]

ya barb...um...he made a ton of catches like 3-8 yrds out that he moved for first downs.  I dont care how many yards he gets as long as he makes the catch and gets the first down when needed.

Isn't that a receiver's job??? To make first downs when it's 3rd and 5??? TO MAKE THE CATCH???

ANY NFL RECEIVER CAN DO THAT!!!

The trick is doing things AFTER THE CATCH!!!!! Which is something that Peter Warrick SUCKS at.

Do you have any clue what is going on in the game of football? You make some of the dumbest comments I have ever heard. If Warrick was so terrible at making people miss why is he the only receiver to consistently run reverses? I don't think I saw Chad Johnson run one reverse and Kelley Washington only ran a couple.

I'm not saying Peter Warrick is better receiver than Chad Johnson but he is more elusive and better able to make people miss. Chad Johnson has more straight line speed which is why he runs the deeper routes and Warrick and his elusiveness run the underneath routes.

I'm so tired of hearing the garbage that constantly comes out of your mouth. Before you open it again make sure you know what the hell you are talking about.

[shworge]

seriously though, Warrick stepped up wehn chad johnson was getting shut down, he had that 11 catch game, when cj was shut down in balitmore.

But, he didn't make a difference in that game, and that is what he had to do, if he was having a good game, the Ravens would have stopped doubling up Chad so much, but they were able to ignore him, cause he didn't do anything after catching the ball...Warrick is a possession reciever, Washington has a chance to be a game breaker...P-dub was a gamebreaker in college, but the level of competition is so much greater in the NFL, it eliminated some of the advantages Warrick had at FSU. I'd like to see P-dub be a Bengal for life, but at the end of the day, I think Kelley Washington will make a better compliment to Chad Johnson and help stretch the field out, but Warrick does most of his work in the middle, and is suited for a possesion role.

You guys are putting too much emphasis on what it says in the stat sheets. It's not hard to run up your YAC total when you beat somebody deep because there is nobody in front of you except maybe a safety. When you are catching the underneath stuff you got 11 guys around you, pretty hard to make everyone miss. I'm not saying Peter Warrick can do what Chad Johnson does because he's not fast enough but Marvin Lewis said consistently that Warrick was their best all around receiver last year that includes catching, running routes, blocking etc.

I'm not saying he is a great receiver but he is a good receiver, people pigeon-holed him because we drafted him 4th overall and expected great things from him. It's not his fault Mike Brown reached for him and didn't do a good job of translating his game to the NFL level. He is very good at what we ask him to do.