walzav29 Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 They move up in the draft, which is the difference between getting a Patrick Willis and a Leon Hall. Leon is playing ok, but Willis is a true difference maker. Kind of like Odell before he went nuts. This loss was painful, but it will make for a more interesting off-season. This was a humiliating loss. The kind that forces you to make real changes. If this doesn't show what kind of moron that Chuck B. is than nothing will. Personally I feel that another lineman is needed, because Palmer needs time and a running game. A difference making back will be huge as well. THink about a back that when Palmer is off you have to focus on him. Imagine the Vikings with Palmer. Excuse me now while I puke think about last nights game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 They move up in the draft, which is the difference between getting a Patrick Willis and a Leon Hall. Leon is playing ok, but Willis is a true difference maker. Kind of like Odell before he went nuts. This loss was painful, but it will make for a more interesting off-season. This was a humiliating loss. The kind that forces you to make real changes. If this doesn't show what kind of moron that Chuck B. is than nothing will. Personally I feel that another lineman is needed, because Palmer needs time and a running game. A difference making back will be huge as well. THink about a back that when Palmer is off you have to focus on him. Imagine the Vikings with Palmer. Excuse me now while I puke think about last nights game.This game continued to show what was obvious two months ago. Then Bengals face a couple years of rebuilding without much hope of making the playoffs. The Super Bowl is a mirage for years to come. The lack of productivity from the top draft picks in the Marvin era is the reason for rebuilding. This wasted era happened while Willie, TJ, Chad and Rudi entered their most productive years. Now we'll rebuild while a couple of them diminish before the others but all will be much lesser players in two years. Other problems are what Carson said yesterday, the team lacks discipline. That is a nice public shot at Marvin and coaches and of course players. Its a problem the team has had for years under Marvin. This offseason will be interesting to see if Carson stays on the same page as Marvin and coaches. It will be interesting to see if other Bengal 'leaders' such as TJ, Willie and Landon take shots, in the offseason, at the coaches and other players as this team descends from mediocracy to loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 The Bengals can't possibly win a superbowl while Mike Brown is alive. It's simply not a goal of the organization. The Bengals franchise is organized to keep control in the Brown family, provide jobs for Brown family members and long time retainers, and make the most profit possible consistent with the lowest outlays they can get away with. Winning or losing football games are secondary concerns. Most NFL teams are owned by rich guys who have parlayed success in the business world into ownership of a prize toy, an NFL franchise. Because they have knowledge of success and what it takes, they do the things necessary to be successful in the NFL too. For them success is defined by championships won or at least contended for. Mike Brown has never been a success in the business world and got the team via inheritance. He simply doesn't know what it takes. He has been owner for 17 years. In a league built on parity which rewards the bad teams, he has managed 1 winning season and 1 playoff appearance. Just by random variation, he should have had 4 or 5 good years. Unfortunately, random variation would be an improvement on the way the Bengals are run. Other teams have pro personnel departments to judge the competitors talent and be prepared for free agency. The Bengals are literally the only team without employees specifically dedicated to following other teams players. This is why the Bengals don't get much benefit from free agency. The Bengals also don't have a GM to make football decisions. Dan Rooney and Randy Lerner inherited their teams too but they at least had the sense to let pros make football decisions. No one would claim that Mike Brown and Katie Blackburn know more about what it takes to succeed than Tom Donahoe or Randy Savage. Maybe the county can pass a levy to buy the team not only a practice facility but also a competent front office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 For years, we always had top draft picks. It didn't help us a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJBestInAFC Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Maybe the county can pass a levy to buy the team not only a practice facility but also a competent front office.So does this mean the Browns have violated the promise of being a competetive football team, you know the reason why they were built the new stadium from the tax payers money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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