Carriker, Okoye, Tyler, Pitcock, Abiamiri, Willis, Posluszny, Revis

[Kazkal]

okoye hands down this guy if he is not there then posluszny. i don't know much about revis. don't care to much for willis after watching him get trucked by hunt in the senior bowl. no way a mlb should get ran over by a back that is smaller than him.

hunt is 245-260

Willis is 238

Alan Branch

Being more or less the same player as ngata he very well could be in range for us to select ,I doubt he'll be there at 18 but if he is I won't be shocked..it's more reasonable then people saying he's top 5 pick for sure...with that being said he's really the only DT I want at 18 could you picture him and peko playing next to each other for next 5 or more years? "drools"

hunt is 230 willis is 240. i like how you added weight to hunt. i am not trying to bash willis i just think he is week when teams run right at him. if he is drafted by us i will support him. i will give willis his props though he did end up being the south's defensive mvp for the senior bowl. i just think a cover corner or a guy that can get to the qb are more of a need than another lb. good corners can make a bad d-line look good and vice versa.

Last time I heard Hunt weighed 240+ just knew he was a big dude ala why some steeler fans love him btw.

• Tony Hunt

Penn St.

6016

239

Notes: Carried his weight very well.

Patrick Willis

Ole Miss

6010

240

Notes: Muscular and solid w / long arms.

Wow 1 lb difference....if it was a smaller back I could understand your gripe but brandon Jacobs has done it to NFL lbs at a pro level "shrug"

[CJBestInAFC]

Here you go cincy, someone running right at willis...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bM4sEmaFLQ

doesn't look weak too me?

Yeah he didn't look too weak on that hit. Nice find. I like Willis in the first round and get Aaron Rouse in the second round to back up Jackson. Both players will contribute on special teams.

[Kazkal]

not many videos of him on tube but heres a few more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVQOmmydIqw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVQOmmydIqw

Coverage is weakness but if he's on board when we pick I won't be suprised if hes handed a stripe jersey.

[hrod382]

Agree completely about Willis. I think we need a playmaker on defense, no matter what position. If Marvin sees Odell in future plans then Willis isn't the pick but if not why hesitate?

Guys that will be gone but not far ahead of us that I'd like:

1. Laron Landry

2. Reggie Nelson

3. Amobi Okoye (I don't think we need a DT bad but Okoye is too good to pass)

Realistic picks:

1. Patrick Willis - Playmaker, good character and hard worker

2. Darelle Revis - Better fit than Leon Hall and CB is obviously a need

3. Charles Johnson - Good all around 4-3 DE if Justin Smith is gone

4. Jarvis Moss - Athletic, Marvin considered Manny Lawson last year and his stock is going up

5. Michael Griffin - I'm not sure he has the speed Marvin likes but he is an ideal SS and a solid player

I'm hoping Nelson/Landry fall back to us, DJax is adequate but we need a playmaker. Madieu is the closest we have on D.

Round 2

1. Chris Houston - I doubt he's left, I think he might even be first round after the combine

2. Aaron Rouse - Speed/Size, Marvin considered Thomas Howard (LB) swapping to saftey last year and Rouse already is a saftey

3. Fred Bennett/Eric Wright... A CB if we don't take one in the first

4. Jon Beason/Rufus Alexander - If Marvin sees either as a playmaker why not?

The idea of Ahmad at SLB and Willis at MLB and Tory James not at CB just makes me happy...

[schweinhart]

If they want Chris Houston, most likely it'll have to be 1st round and even then the growing likelihood will be that he is gone before the Bengals pick.

Revis could be there but he won't play slot. As long as Joesph continues to play slot, that works. Plus the PR ability works in Revis' favor.

If Jarvis Moss is there, should be an easy decision, but probably unlikely once Moss gets on his upswing for the combine.

[Kazkal]

Schweinhart it's funny how you pimp a player then their stalk raises like mofo

Noticable pimps you mentioned that I saw atleast 1 month before anyone else.

1.)Jamarcus Russel-People would hate just seeing him projected rnd 1 saying he was 3-4 th QB off the board...but now he's projected 1st overall pick of the draft.

2.)Jamaal Anderson-Junior so some question if he would enter but still no one pimped him before you

3.)Chris Houston see above.

PS,What is the knock on Revis? speed? or?

[cincy9275]

Here you go cincy, someone running right at willis...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bM4sEmaFLQ

doesn't look weak too me?

Yeah he didn't look too weak on that hit. Nice find. I like Willis in the first round and get Aaron Rouse in the second round to back up Jackson. Both players will contribute on special teams.

why don't you try to find the video or what ever during the first quarter of the senior bowl and watch him get pushed around like a rag doll. one hit on a highlight video yea i'm impressed. you guys can defend him till you turn blue in the face i am not impressed with him.

[Kazkal]

Oh we all know Okoye carriker never had a bad game "cough bull crap"

Oh and probbley best MLB in football never happens to get knocked over big big back or linemen.

But no it's cool judge willis off a hand full of snaps in the senior bowl rather this his entire college career.

[Whur CHad At?]

Good point Kaz. Just because he got pushed over once doesnt mean he sucks. Everyone has bad games. No one is perfect every play, every season unless they are on roids and they are shawn merriman

[Kazkal]

Doesn't help either that his Dline was getting owned...tank being owned by 285 lb center

[schweinhart]

Schweinhart it's funny how you pimp a player then their stalk raises like mofo

Noticable pimps you mentioned that I saw atleast 1 month before anyone else.

1.)Jamarcus Russel-People would hate just seeing him projected rnd 1 saying he was 3-4 th QB off the board...but now he's projected 1st overall pick of the draft.

2.)Jamaal Anderson-Junior so some question if he would enter but still no one pimped him before you

3.)Chris Houston see above.

PS,What is the knock on Revis? speed? or?

Watching games helps see what players can do especially where good matchups better reveal strengths and weaknesses but even then a player that looks good or great sometimes don't get any love from either mocksters or even teams when they pick, which is why I find Day 2 to be a lot more intersting in many respects than Day 1.

Revis has a straightline speed ? But he's a highly skilled corner. I think he lacks the quicks needed to play slot and would also eventually be exposed in man wide, which in my mind makes him a 2nd round corner. The thing this year is that fewer CBs seem like they're strong in man than it started out being. That helps Revis as does his PR ability.

But I'm on board for Chris Houston now either way. He'd solve the most Bengsl defenisve problems than any other player in the draft IMO. But I suspect he won't make it to 18 given the other corners.

[HairOnFire]

The combine and his pro day workout should answer alot of questions about his speed and determine how high Revis goes in the draft. The only hard 40 yard time I have for Revis is an older 4.54 clocking that he should be able to better now that the football season is over. That said, I agree that if he can't improve that 40-yard time he'll slip in the draft, but my question is from what point does he slip? I've seen him ranked as high as top 15 and as low as top 30, and most of his competition at CB comes from other highly regarded prospects who also lack speed. (Hall, Hughes)

BTW, if I had to pick a CB who might end up as a surprise 1st round selection I think I'd pick from Aaron Ross or Fred Bennett.

[Kazkal]

Ya alot people rating aaron preatty high now...I still like Fred bennett as 2nd rounder but I doubt we take him after Jjoe getting busted

[WretchedOne]

Brandon Mebane.

Typical Marvin player. High motor and energy, productive and a load to handle. Brings it every play. Good strength, great leverage, explosive and not afraid of anyone. Productive. Surprising agility for a man his size (former DE), good character. Has taken on double teams and even been triple teamed at times.

A couple of things about him:

NFL Draft Scout:

“[He has] a bunch of power,” said the coach, who was essentially in his first day on the job with Tampa Bay. “He’s got a great center of gravity, gets his hips under him and he understands pass rushing. He understands how to use his hips. I’m shocked by him and how quick he is off the ball. He showed great intensity.”

He has performed well in pass rush drills, showing an explosiveness that twice knocked West Virginia's Dan Mozes on his back. Mebane wasn't just successful against Mozes, however. He was unblockable for most interior linemen, even holding up well against double-teams.

Perhaps the biggest surprise of the day also came from the defensive line. California's Brandon Mebane has earned a reputation among those who follow the Pac-10 as being one of the toughest defensive tackles in the conference, but quiet frankly, in the eyes of NFL scouts, that isn't saying much. Besides USC, the Pac-10 hasn't produced a great many rugged defensive tackles in recent years and the talk was that Mebane was simply the next overrated one to come out of the conference. That talk changed a bit today, as Mebane showed very good strength at the point of attack, rarely giving up an inch against double teams and pushing single blockers into the back field on occasion.

NW Scouting:

Brandon Mebane, California

Outstanding interior run stopper and solid pass rusher. Explosive first step. Relentless and disruptive. Never quits! Stays low and plays with good leverage. Can beat double teams and make plays in the backfield. Difficult to move. Possesses good lower body strength and excellent balance. Could play on the nose if he gained a few lbs. Best suited for an aggressive attacking one-gap defense. Lacks good counter moves if initial effort fails.

[HairOnFire]

I like Mebane, but he may not be a good fit for a Bengal team that lacks a 3rd round draft pick. To get him I'm betting the Bengals would have to pull the trigger on him with their 2nd round pick and I'm not sure a team could justify doing that knowing the other players expected to be on the board.

[Kazkal]

Inless they some how get 3rd...trade down 5 spots? tag n trade player...but still happy with brooks he'll probbley be one of best 3rd rnders from this year

[WretchedOne]

I like Mebane, but he may not be a good fit for a Bengal team that lacks a 3rd round draft pick. To get him I'm betting the Bengals would have to pull the trigger on him with their 2nd round pick and I'm not sure a team could justify doing that knowing the other players expected to be on the board.

Mebane is very underrated and could very well end up in the 1st round. He's on the cusp right now.

[hrod382]

Watching games helps see what players can do especially where good matchups better reveal strengths and weaknesses but even then a player that looks good or great sometimes don't get any love from either mocksters or even teams when they pick, which is why I find Day 2 to be a lot more intersting in many respects than Day 1.

Revis has a straightline speed ? But he's a highly skilled corner. I think he lacks the quicks needed to play slot and would also eventually be exposed in man wide, which in my mind makes him a 2nd round corner. The thing this year is that fewer CBs seem like they're strong in man than it started out being. That helps Revis as does his PR ability.

But I'm on board for Chris Houston now either way. He'd solve the most Bengsl defenisve problems than any other player in the draft IMO. But I suspect he won't make it to 18 given the other corners.

I agree on Houston. IMO him and Charles Johnson are thus far two of the most underrated players in this draft and they'll shoot up the board after the combine.

[cincy9275]

Oh we all know Okoye carriker never had a bad game "cough bull crap"

Oh and probbley best MLB in football never happens to get knocked over big big back or linemen.

But no it's cool judge willis off a hand full of snaps in the senior bowl rather this his entire college career.

from what i hear he is one hell of a linebacker, and i know the best l/bs get put on there ass. i never meant what i said to reflect his whole career just the game i watched him play. i accept he had a bad beginning of a game and i was a bit harsh on him.

[HairOnFire]

Mebane is very underrated and could very well end up in the 1st round. He's on the cusp right now.

I like the guy well enough, but there's no way I could pull the trigger on Mebane at #50...let alone #18.

Just my opinion.

[Kazkal]

Hey schwein know much about Ikaika Alama-Francis? what round do you think he'll go in? and worth a look?

[schweinhart]

Alama-Francis is better suited for a 3-4 but would also get looked at as a LDE by 3-4 teams. My impressions of him based on Hawaii games vs. Oregon State and Arizona State and the Hula Bowl is that he's a weak run defender with poor backside pursuit and his pass rushing ability is dependent on space where he can use the fairly decent quickness he has for a big man to get pressure. He's simliar to Adam Carriker but Carriker is stronger at the point of attack and able to use his strength in pass rushing despite the lack of a bullrush. Carriker would be more valuable as a LDE in a 4-3 because he's stronger and would add another dimension as a pass rushing DT although he will have to rely on moves more than strength inside.

I would hope the Bengals don't consider Carriker until the 2nd and don't consider Alama-Francis at all. IMO his DE teammate at Hawaii Mel Purcell is a much better run defending DE and of the Hula Bowl DEs, I liked Purcell, Jay Richardson and Cj Ah You better as potential Day 2 Bengals DEs.

[WretchedOne]

Mebane is very underrated and could very well end up in the 1st round. He's on the cusp right now.

I like the guy well enough, but there's no way I could pull the trigger on Mebane at #50...let alone #18.

Just my opinion.

I'm a little higher on Mebane than any other person in the world. I have bad luck when I get super excited over a prospect though (see: Eric Henderson, 2006). I'm trying to keep my excitement in check until the NFL.com profiles come out.

Mebane in the 1st is a bit of a reach I'll admit but he really just has those qualities that Marvin seems to love from his defensive players. The high motor, the good production, won't back down, hard worker, amazing athlete...(Mebane is supposed to be rather agile for a DT, could he show that off in workouts?)

Mebane does need to work on being more of a technician when his initial move fails but that really is about the only knock on him. He's alright but could definately stand some improvement.

Schweinat (sp?) -

I also like Purcell more than Francis. Didn't Purcell knock a number of players out of games? But I don't really think the Bengals are in the market for DE Depth with Rucker, Fanene and Henderson. They could use an elite rusher but if JS is re-signed I think I would be really surprised to see a DE selected in this draft.

[schweinhart]

But I don't really think the Bengals are in the market for DE Depth with Rucker, Fanene and Henderson. They could use an elite rusher but if JS is re-signed I think I would be really surprised to see a DE selected in this draft.

Yeah they wouldn't be in much of a DE market at all if Justin is re-signed. But if not, they'll be going after one who's more promising than just depth with B-Rob getting old fast and in the last year of his deal. Fanene looks more the LDE part but he gets blown away too easy. Rucker and Henderson will get their shots to do something this year but I really hope the Bengals don't gloss over with unrealistic expectations and think they can adjust relying solely on these 3. I'd rather see as close to a ringer as they can get to start the year.

[WretchedOne]

Yeah they wouldn't be in much of a DE market at all if Justin is re-signed. But if not, they'll be going after one who's more promising than just depth with B-Rob getting old fast and in the last year of his deal. Fanene looks more the LDE part but he gets blown away too easy. Rucker and Henderson will get their shots to do something this year but I really hope the Bengals don't gloss over with unrealistic expectations and think they can adjust relying solely on these 3. I'd rather see as close to a ringer as they can get to start the year.

I would just jump for joy if Pollack was able to come back and they put him a RDE. He might be able to handle 3 downs, if not, he as sure hell would be able to at least by the next season. He likes a challenge.