HoosierCat Posted January 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 No surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 The really nice thing is the areas of the team we could use some continued young talent infusion in the draft (G, DT, CB, RT) --those are the positions that you are in the sweet spot to target players picking where we will in the late 20s/30s... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 Quote The NFL has issued a warning to teams that they could lose a draft pick and face significant fines if club representatives conduct themselves unprofessionally in interviews with draft prospects. In a memo obtained by the AP that was sent to clubs on Wednesday, the league said a team would forfeit a draft pick between the first and fourth round and be fined a minimum of $150,000 if it’s determined a club representative displayed conduct that is “disrespectful, inappropriate, or unprofessional” during an interview. Fines and/or suspensions of individual club employees also could be imposed, according to the memo. “We aim for dignity, respect and professionalism,” league executive Troy Vincent told the AP. “It’s that simple.” The league also plans to eliminate the Wonderlic test for prospective players, and it is revising some of its scouting combine drills to better simulate game-related movement. Wide receivers and tight ends will run crossing routes instead of wheel routes, and running backs will run option routes instead of corner and post-corner routes. https://apnews.com/article/nfl-sports-e786d7cb0c9903cd7936c1a2118b2f7b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPHAR Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 44 minutes ago, HoosierCat said: https://apnews.com/article/nfl-sports-e786d7cb0c9903cd7936c1a2118b2f7b Does this include the use of ketchup bottles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 So no more questions asking if the players would bang TJ's gramma ?? How the hell are we suppose to find a quality long snapper now ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 I have a feeling Clark Harris has given TJ's gramma more than she can handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 Matt Miller's just released current top 150: Quote With just one game left in the college football season, NFL clubs are starting to assemble scouting staffs together to discuss the 2022 draft class. At The Draft Scout, we’re also working on our lists before the all-star game schedule and pre-draft process kickoff. The first part of our process is to get a solid list of which players are returning to school and which are declaring for the NFL draft. The league gives players until January 17 to make a decision—and then a three-day window to reverse that decision. This year is more complicated than any before with the NCAA saying the 2020 season didn’t count towards a player’s eligibility. For example, a player like Michigan defensive end Aidan Hutchinson has played four seasons at Michigan but his 2020 season didn’t count towards his four years—so he actually could return and play another year. Hutchinson likely won’t “declare” for the draft on social media, we just know he’s in because he’s signed with an agent. Keeping track of who is in and who is out is the biggest obstacle of this season, and we’re doing our best to stay on top of it. Step two is prioritizing which players to watch. Here’s a look into my process. In December and January, I prioritize players by: 1. A top 50 player on my preseason watchlist 2. A rising junior (David Ojabo is an example of this) 3. Players who accept a Senior Bowl invite 4. Players who accept a Shrine Game invite From there, it’s a process of logging a lot of iPad hours and taking as many handwritten notes as possible in a 3-5 game viewing per player. That scouting leads to this list, but with the caveat that the most scouting for me actually takes place from January to the end of April. So, let’s get into it. Here’s a look at my current Top 150 players. 1. EDGE Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan Hutchinson’s senior season has pushed him over Kayvon Thibodeaux on my rankings. His football IQ, length, power and ability to close ranks with speed as a pass-rusher makes him a special prospect. 2. EDGE Kayvon Thibodeaux, Oregon Let’s not forget about Thibodeaux; a player who has been touted as a future No. 1 overall pick since his true freshman season. His athleticism could ultimately push him over Hutchinson for both media and teams. 3. SAF Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame An elite safety with the size (6’3”, 220 lbs) to impact the game from the middle of the field, in the box, or even as an edge-defender (not rusher). Safeties aren’t drafted in the top five, but Hamilton might be the exception. 4. OT Evan Neal, Alabama A massive (6’7”, 360 lbs) left tackle prospect who is an elite mover for his size. He’s among the best athletes along the offensive line in this draft class, which could put him in play for the No. 1 overall pick. 5. CB Derek Stingley Jr., LSU Stingley didn’t play much in 2021 due to injury and his 2020 tape wasn’t great, but going back to his 2019 freshman season and looking at his athleticism you’ll see a player with an incredibly high ceiling. The question is—how much stock do you put into his last two seasons? 6. OT Charles Cross, Mississippi State An athletic left tackle prospect coming from a system that made him prove himself in pass protection. Cross has to get stronger, but he’s working with famed offensive line coach Duke Manyweather in his pre-draft process and will head into his rookie season with a more refined toolset. 7. WR Drake London, USC It’s important to remember just how dominant Drake London was before fracturing his ankle in the team’s eighth game. At 6’5” and 210 pounds he’s a big wideout with ball skills and an unstoppable presence on 50/50 balls. 8. DT DeMarvin Leal, Texas A&M Play him inside (3-tech) or outside (5-tech). At 6’4” and 290 pounds, Leal is ideal for a 4-3 inside position and has shown the athleticism to be a major force on all three downs. 9. CB Ahmad Gardner, Cincinnati A smooth-moving cover man at 6’2” with elite feet. Gardner is the top cornerback for multiple teams I’ve spoken to at this point of the process. He has top 10 talent with few weaknesses. 10. EDGE David Ojabo, Michigan Ojabo is raw, long, toolsy pass-rusher who blew up in 2021 opposite Aidan Hutchinson. He’s speedy and ideal for a stand-up or outside pass-rusher role. His pre-draft process could push him higher on draft boards. 11. OC Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa Good luck finding a more athletic center prospect. Linderbaum is a certified freak athlete and it shows up in his movements in space. The former high school wrestling star is a plug-and-play starter. 12. OT Ikem Ekwonu, NC State If you want a powerful blocker, Ekwonu is your man. Teams are torn on his future NFL position due to his height (6’4”) but he’s a huge impact, especially in the run game. It’s not impossible to think that he could surpass Charles Cross and find his way into the top five picks. 13. LB Nakobe Dean, Georgia Dean fits the mold of the modern off-ball linebacker at 6’0” and 225 pounds. What he lacks in length he makes up for in quickness and football IQ. His processing speed is his most impressive trait—even more so than his top-tier athleticism. 14. WR Garrett Wilson, Ohio State A tough wide receiver at 6’0” and 193 pounds, Wilson has sticky hands and is a sure route-runner. He doesn’t profile as a classic WR1 due to his lack of size or top-end speed, but he’s the type of receiver that will win with routes and hands. 15. WR Jameson Williams, Alabama Teams that are eyeballing speed and chunk plays could identify Jameson Williams as their top wideout in this class. He might not be the scheme-fit for every team but his big play ability is electric. 16. OT Trevor Penning, Northern Iowa A big, powerful offensive tackle who doesn’t pop off the tape with as much athleticism of the top prospects at the position, but Penning’s technique and strength are NFL-ready on the left side. 17. EDGE Travon Walker, Georgia A player we used to call a ‘tweener, Walker can line up on the edge of the defensive line or kick inside as a nickel interior rusher. He’s an impressive all-around athlete with very good strength and length at 6’5”, 275 pounds. 18. EDGE George Karlaftis, Purdue Karlaftis quieted down towards the end of the season, but he was red hot in September. He has the size (6’4”, 275 lbs) and strength needed to play as a traditional 6-technique defensive end in a 4-3 scheme. 19. LB Devin Lloyd, Utah A long, athletic, active linebacker (6’3”, 235 lbs) who has been very, very good the last two seasons. There are some scouts who think Lloyd played it safe this year, but he was Utah’s best overall player and the best defender in the Pac-12. 20. WR Jahan Dotson, Penn State Dotson doesn’t have the best size, but he’s a downfield threat that wins with burst and acceleration throughout his route tree. He’s a sure-handed weapon down the field and someone who can consistently win over the top. 21. WR Chris Olave, Ohio State A lean wideout (6’1”, 170 lbs) but one who has consistently won with his hands and route-running. Olave is seen by some to have topped out his potential, but he arrives to the NFL with great football IQ and a diverse route tree. 22. WR Treylon Burks, Arkansas Big (6’3”, 230 lbs) and explosive with the ball in his hands, Burks is a weapon after the catch. If your favorite offense runs slants and breaking routes, Burks’ ability to turn the short catch into a big play is phenomenal. 23. QB Kenny Pickett, Pittsburgh A super-senior with small hands (8 1/4”) but the most impressive draft-eligible quarterback from the ‘22 class. Pickett needs a good showing at the Senior Bowl—where weather and rain are often an issue—to answer questions about hand size. 24. CB Andrew Booth Jr., Clemson A stocky cornerback prospect who dominates at the line of scrimmage with press man skills. He’s quick enough to recover and stay in-phase, too. Booth is tailor-made for zone coverage and should be a priority for those teams in the back half of Round 1. 25. QB Matthew Corral, Ole Miss The most improved quarterback from the 2022 class and a viable dual-threat, Corral tore apart SEC competition this year. He can still push too far with his arm strength and try to make throws that aren’t there, but his decision-making and athleticism took a huge jump in ‘21. If he can ace interviews, he could be the first quarterback drafted. 26. CB Roger McCreary, Auburn 27. EDGE Drake Jackson, USC 28. CB Derion Kendrick, Georgia 29. QB Desmond Ridder, Cincinnati 30. QB Malik Willis, Liberty 31. EDGE Cameron Thomas, San Diego State 32. LB Henry To'o To'o, Alabama 33. TE Trey McBride, Colorado State 34. QB Carson Strong, Nevada 35. DT Jordan Davis, Georgia 36. DT Devonte Wyatt, Georgia 37. OT Nicholas Petit-Frere, Ohio State 38. CB Martin Emerson, Mississippi State 39. LB Christian Harris, Alabama 40. WR John Metchie III, Alabama 41. EDGE Logan Hall, Houston 42. OT Darian Kinnard, Kentucky 43. OG Zion Johnson, Boston College 44. QB Sam Howell, North Carolina 45. OT Bernhard Raimann, Central Michigan 46. CB Trent McDuffie, Washington 47. LB Brandon Smith, Penn State 48. RB Breece Hall, Iowa State 49. OG Kenyon Green, Texas A&M 50. CB Kyler Gordon, Washington 51. CB Kaiir Elam, Florida 52. RB Isaiah Spiller, Texas A&M 53. SAF Jordan Battle, Alabama 54. RB Kenneth Walker III, Michigan State 55. TE Jalen Wydermyer, Texas A&M 56. SAF Jaquan Brisker, Penn State 57. SAF Daxton Hill, Michigan 58. SAF Lewis Cine, Georgia 59. EDGE Arnold Ebiketie, Penn State 60. EDGE Jermaine Johnson, Florida State 61. CB Coby Bryant, Cincinnati 62. EDGE Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame 63. EDGE Kingsley Enagbare, South Carolina 64. DT Phidarian Mathis, Alabama 65. OT Daniel Faalele, Minnesota 66. WR David Bell, Purdue 67. SAF Jalen Pitre, Baylor 68. OT Max Mitchell, Louisiana 69. CB Josh Jobe, Alabama 70. RB James Cook, Georgia 71. QB Bailey Zappe, Western Kentucky 72. TE Jahleel Billingsley, Alabama 73. LB Damone Clark, LSU 74. CB Riley Moss, Iowa 75. CB Marcus Jones, Houston 76. EDGE Amare Barno, Virginia Tech 77. RB Kyren Williams, Notre Dame 78. EDGE Will McDonald, Iowa State 79. LB Chad Muma, Wyoming 80. EDGE Myjai Sanders, Cincinnati 81. OG Jamaree Salyer, Georgia 82. TE Cade Otton, Washington 83. WR George Pickens, Georgia 84. OT Abraham Lucas, Washington State 85. LB Channing Tindall, Georgia 86. LB Quay Walker, Georgia 87. RB Ainias Smith, Texas A&M 88. WR Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama 89. EDGE Boye Mafe, Minnesota 90. DT John Ridgeway, Arkansas 91. WR Khalil Shakir, Boise State 92. DT Haskell Garrett, Ohio State 93. EDGE Zach Harrison, Ohio State 94. CB Tariq Castro-Fields, Penn State 95. OG Justin Shaffer, Georgia 96. DT Perrion Winfrey, Oklahoma 97. EDGE Nik Bonitto, Oklahoma 98. SAF JoJo Domann, Nebraska 99. TE Jeremy Ruckert, Ohio State 100. OC Jarrett Patterson, Notre Dame 101. OT Sean Rhyan, UCLA 102. OG Thayer Munford, Ohio State 103. WR Justyn Ross, Clemson 104. EDGE Sam Williams, Ole Miss 105. SAF Verone McKinley III, Oregon 106. SAF Jalen Catalon, Arkansas 107. RB Zach Charbonnet, UCLA 108. LB Jack Campbell, Iowa 109. TE Isaiah Likely, Coastal Carolina 110. OG Dylan Parham, Memphis 111. WR Alec Pierce, Cincinnati 112. OT Zion Nelson, Miami (FL) 113. OC Dohnovan West, Arizona State 114. OT Braxton Jones, Southern Utah 115. DT Zachary Carter, Florida 116. EDGE Josh Paschal, Kentucky 117. RB Jerome Ford, Cincinnati 118. DT Tyler Davis, Clemson 119. EDGE Jordan Strachan, South Carolina 120. CB Akayleb Evans, Missouri 121. SAF Cam Taylor-Britt, Nebraska 122. TE James Mitchell, Virginia Tech 123. WR Skyy Moore, Western Michigan 124. DT Travis Jones, Connecticut 125. CB Storm Duck, North Carolina 126. OT Kellen Diesch, Arizona State 127. OT Nick Zakelj, Fordham 128. SAF Bryan Cook, Cincinnati 129. CB Tariq Woolen, UTSA 130. LB Jesse Luketa, Penn State 131. RB Abram Smith, Baylor 132. CB Jack Jones, Arizona State 133. LB Terrel Bernard, Baylor 134. LB Mike Rose, Iowa State 135. TE Charlie Kolar, Iowa State 136. WR Joseph Ngata, Clemson 137. CB Jaylen Watson, Washington State 138. TE Cole Turner, Nevada 139. WR Jalen Virgil, Appalachian State 140. WR Jayden Reed, Michigan State 141. SAF Tre Sterling, Oklahoma State 142. TE Josh Whyle, Cincinnati 143. RB Brian Robinson Jr., Alabama 144. RB Hassan Haskins, Michigan 145. RB Zamir White, Georgia 146. RB Dameon Pierce, Florida 147. SAF Tycen Anderson, Toledo 148. EDGE Darrian Beavers, Cincinnati 149. OT Andrew Stueber, Michigan 150. SAF Leon O'Neal Jr., Texas A&M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 my top 5 needs, not necessarily in this order: passblocking OT, passblocking OC, passblocking OG, coverage LB, speed man/press CB I'd like at least one (optimally 2) of the OLs to come from FA. Experienced high quality guy(s) to protect Burrow immediately. OL becomes a much bigger need if SpainGang and/or The Great Barrier Reiff choose to go elsewhere Ill admit that if a top notch pass rushing DL drops to us, and is clearly the BPA at that point, I'd be fine with that pick as well. interior or exterior, either can be and should be improved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 wanted to mention that the Eagles drafted two of the players we talked about quite a bit for the Bengals in 2021 Looked them up, found a report from last week. Solid performances from both. G Landon Dickerson Stats: 12 games, 2 sacks, 7 hits, 16 hurries, 25 pressures allowed (According to PFF) In his rookie season, Dickerson has been thrown in the fire and is holding up well after a slow start. Dickerson did not have a training camp because he was recovering from a torn ACL that he suffered late in his senior season at Alabama. Dickerson has caught up to speed and has solidified himself as the left guard of the future. Dickerson has used his 333-pound frame to get inside the pads of defensive linemen and drive them back in the run game. Dickerson is still working on his pass protection but is coming along. His footwork and hand placement look a lot better than when he first started the season. Dickerson playing next to Mailata has made the Eagles offensive line one of the best in the league. Grade: B DL Milton Williams Stats: 21 total tackles, 1 sack, 2 tackles for loss, 3 QB hits Williams is a steady contributor to the defensive line rotation, which is interesting, especially with Williams being a third-round selection. Williams has seen most of his time at defensive tackle but has been used at defensive end on occasion in a 3- 4 look used at times by Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon. William sack total is not among the team leaders, but his ability to plug in holes in the run game has gotten better over this course of the season. Williams is still developing as a pass rusher and will continue to learn from Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave to improve in this aspect of his game. Grade: B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 But here's the guy I really really wanted in 2021 r2, and by comparison, we whiffed here https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/gm-report/kc-chiefs-c-creed-humphrey-handled-his-pro-bowl-snubbing-like-a-true-professional also Meinerz, remember him? watch the video in this article. He's moving so much faster than I typically see a OL move. Kinda looks like a big big fullback. https://heavy.com/sports/denver-broncos/unsung-broncos-rookie-expected-to-help-team-in-playoff-push/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 Yeah, whoever or whatever they are doing in OL evaluations needs work (and nothing new here, really). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 I mean, there's a lot I like about Carman, but comparing his performance against Creed's........yeah, Creed would have been the MUCH better pick Plus Creed would have given Hopkins more time to heal up, and Hopkins could have then shifted from OC to ORG, a position where he is arguably a better performer ah well. woulda coulda shoulda. all in all I'd still say this has been one of the better drafts in Bengals history, despite my unchanged belief that they didnt get the OLs they needed NOW. The majority have contributed, with one superstar (some guy named Chase, tho that name applies more to the CBs behind him) and a star (MoneyMac)....and thats not even counting Ossai who looked like a starter at worst in the preseason. If they had gotten Creed or Cosmi instead of Carman I think 2021 would inarguably be THE very best draft class in Bengals history 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 bored again at tdn... 26. Nakobe Dean, LB, Georgia 57. Jamaree Salyer, IOL, Georgia 90. Marcus Jones, CB, Houston 127. Jake Ferguson, TE, Wisconsin 140. Leo Chenal, LB, Wisconsin I like how this fell. Dean we've talked about. Salyer is another of those "short armed" tackles who projects to G but could play OT in a pinch. Jones is a good corner and great returner (9 TDs). Ferguson and Chenal are great value in the 4th imo. fyi could have taken Petit-Frere or Penning at 26. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 also, army and stripes - you two are bastards :-) (missed the gramma comments earlier) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 How did you miss that TJ ?? Honestly, I thought it was pretty clever at your expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Hopefully that keeps Pittsburgh out of Pickett range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Big fan of ravens and browns missing playoffs and still only picking 13 and 14 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 The more I think about it - with Watt and Garrett in our division, and Reiff probably done (and only about average when he was in there) I think ORT has to be the priority in 2022 FA and the draft Mostly FA, since New Guy needs protection N O W, and a draftee can take time to get up to speed, even a 1st rounder (like our pick 32, natch) I completely 100% get that the pass rush comes in the interior with the Steelers, but I am more worried about keeping Burrow upright in over the 4 games with Baltimore and Cleveland versus the 2 with Pittsburgh Optimally we address both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 This coming free agency period will tell a lot about the Bengals direction. You don't need to look much further than our own free agents. Reiff and Spain are both unrestricted and Johnson is a restricted free agent. What they do there will give some clarity, but agree that the focus needs to be on the line. I'm not a fan of the depth they have either, although some may disagree. The #1 priority should be ensuring Burrow never, EVER, gets sacked 50+ times in a season again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TJJackson Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 the problem with the above is painfully obvious? right? yep, you see exactly what I am seeing only one Guard thats a problem :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 I was selected to be the Bengals' GM in a 2-round mock on Matt Miller's site - happening over google spread sheets. I am up in 4 picks, here is how things have unfolded so far (the fan GMs could trade and many have): Quote 1. Jags -- Evan Neal, OT, Alabama 2. Lions --- Kayvon Thibadeaux, DE, Oregon 3. Texans --- Aiden Hutchinson, DE, Michigan 4. Jets --- OT Ikem Ekwonu, T, NC State 5. Giants --- OT Charles Cross, T, Ole Miss 6. WFT (traded in) -- QB Matt Corral, Ole Miss 7. Giants (traded in) -- LB Nakobe Dean, Georgia 8. Falcons, CB - Derek Stingley 9. Texans (traded in) -- -CB Sauce Gardner, UC 10. Jets (traded in) --- DE George Karlatis, Purdue 11. Panthers (traded back) -- QB Kenny Pickett, Pitt 12. Vikings, S, Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame 13. Browns, WR, Garrett Wilson, tOSU 14. Ravens, C, Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa 15. Eagles, DE, David Ojabo, Michigan 16. Eagles, DL, Travon Walker, Georgia 17. Falcons, Edge, Drake Jackson, USC 18. Saints, WR, Drake London, USC 19. Jags (traded in), WR, Chris Olave, tOSU 20. Steelers, DL, Devonta Wyatt, Georgia 21. Saints (traded in), WR, Jameson Williams, Alabama 22. Dolphins (traded in), 23. Raiders 24. Cardinals 25. Bengals 26. Bills 27. Lions 28. Cowboys 29. Chiefs 30. Bucs 31. Titans 32. Packers If you have thoughts as we get to my pick for the Bengals, shout them out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 my thoughts: GIMME A LINEMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 Yeah, I am pretty sure I am taking a TE or WR just for the reaction... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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