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NEW YORK (January 14, 2016) -- The National Football League (NFL) today announced disciplinary measures against Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin and assistant coaches Mike Munchak and Joey Porter.

These measures are being taken in response to their actions in the Wild Card playoff game against the Cincinnati Bengals. "These actions required the league to come up with a new structure that would best serve to encourage the kind of behavior by coaches that protects the integrity of The Shield," said NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

Under this new structure, head coach Mike Tomlin will be fined negative $500,000, and assistants Munchak and Porter negative $250,000 each. These fines will be paid by NFL,Inc. to each coach individually as an example of what Pittsburgh coaches can expect should they not behave appropriately during a game.

This new fine structure is currently only applicable to the Pittsburgh Steelers, however other teams may qualify at the discretion of The Commissioner. Teams wishing to apply under the new structure should send an essay of not less than 1,000 words on the subject of the "enduring greatness of Roger Goodell" to NFL headquarters.

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On 1/10/2016, 6:39:26, COB said:

My thoughts exactly.  And to some extent, I think Marvin may be thinking the same thing.

How many years did we put up with Pittsburgh's bullshit?  When Kimo took out Carson's knee, the media reaction was kind of, "oh well, those Steelers sure play physical football!"  

When Ward just blatantly used the crown of his helmet to cheap shot a totally unawares Keith Rivers, breaking his jaw and concussing him, the media reaction was, "those Steelers play physical football!  Gotta keep your head on a swivel!"  Ward got fined but not suspended.  

When Terrance Garvin used the crown of his helmet on our punter, cheap shot to the face, broke his jaw and cracked a vertebrae, they didn't even flag it.  The NFL came out later and stated it should have been a flagrant hit on a defenseless player.  The media reaction?  They couldn't have cared less.  Same old refrain, "Wow, you have to protect yourself when playing the Steelers, they play so physical!"  

Same Steelers no matter who they're playing.  Remember Antonio Brown kicking the Browns punter in the face?  Fined, again, but no suspension.  The media reaction?  I remember a lot of the media guys laughing about it.  Sort of," that's what happens when a Cleveland Brown comes up against those physical Steelers!  They're SO physical!"   

That's just on the field.  The Joey Porter casino ambush, the Mike Mitchell shooting threat on twitter, what did the league do about those things?

I'm just plain tired of it.  I think Marvin and most of the Bengals are too.  

If the NFL doesn't like what has gone on in these last few games between the Bengals and the Steelers, they have no one to blame but themselves.  Since the league wouldn't stop it, I think the Bengals just decided to do it themselves.  

I take no pleasure in seeing Antonio Brown get knocked out.  If Shazier had been flagged and ejected for using the crown of his helmet, do you think that hit on Brown would have been made?  I doubt it.

And as far as the media goes, fuck them.  They idolized the Steelers for this cheap shit.  If Jim Nantz wants to act like Burfict is a mass murderer or something, it just reveals how uninformed he is regarding what has gone on between these teams for the last ten years.  Burfict is doing nothing that a good number of Steelers have'nt done before him.  That must be what the league wants, because they did nothing but fine a few guys in such a way that it was made very clear to everyone that, all other things being equal, paying twenty grand to knock out one of the other team's best players is well worth it.  

So any cries to cut Burfict are probably falling on deaf ears at PBS.  Marvin didn't seem too upset about Burfict's play.  In fact he may have noticed that Burfict had a great game.  He also may have noticed that at one time or another, Bell, Roethlisberger, and Brown, all missed significant parts or allof that playoff game, all thanks to none other than our own Vontaze Burfict.  There's a reason the Steelers hate Burfict so much.  

Amen. Can I get another ???

AMEN!

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Just to add one more thing to COB's righteous rant, is it just me or has anyone else noticed how Pitt's local media has leaped to the defense of the hometown team? The PG's Gerry Dulac even went as far as to edit together a youtube video painting Joey Porter as the victim! Meanwhile, what do we get in Cincy from the likes of Dehner, Doc, Lance and Mo ****ing Egger? We get them putting down any fan who complains as a whiner and writing piece after piece about how bad the Bengals are and how bad Burfict is and how bad Lewis is and how embarrassed they are blah blah blah. Kay-rist, yesterday I even saw coverage of serial attention whore Todd Portune calling for the Bengals to apologize to the city!

I don't expect unswerving loyalty but come on, the team just got hosed on national TV. Why do we have to count on some guy from Boston to point out (like COB) the serial bullshit the Bengals have had to endure from the Steelers? Why do we have to rely on Jason ****ing Whitlock of all people to point out that Tomlin is the most coddled, least criticized coach in the league and maybe of sports? Why do we have to wait for some writer at deadspin to point out that suspending Burfict is about PR not player safety?

If you've ever wondered why Lewis doesn't seem to have any respect for the local scribes,I think now we know why.

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Addendum to the above: And why do we have to wait for Mike Florio -- seriously, well-known Steeler-humper Mike Florio! -- to point out that the first one in line to cash in on the action from the Bengals/Steelers game is...the NFL!

In the aftermath of Saturday night’s Steelers-Bengals debacle, the NFL was publicly wringing its hands by issuing suspensions and threatening fines. Privately, the NFL was rubbing its palms together with glee.

It’s the post-Concussion equivalent of theBone Crunchers phenomenon, from the days when the NFL not only downplayed the long-term effects of brain injuries but also sold highlight videos featuring the most spectacular concussion-inducing hits. When it comes to players and coaches acting like hooligans during games, the NFL has imposed punishment while quietly reveling in the afterglow of a game that held an audience of 27.5 million during the worst of the bad behavior not in spite of it but perhaps because of it.

The revelry isn’t all that quiet. The NFL morning show that used to be called something else but that now has another name that eventually will be something else played earlier in the hour a package of NFL Films video and sound from the Steelers-Bengals game. And, of course, it featured not examples of football skill and uplifting moments among teammates but the various instances of discipline-inducing conflict.

It starts with a shot of Steelers offensive line coach Mike Munchak pulling the hair of Bengals safety Reggie Nelson, and then the two of them and others tussling on the sideline as an official tries to pull them apart. It then shows Steelers linebackers coach Joey Porter smugly surrounded by Bengals players as the game-deciding moment arrives, with Bengals cornerback Pacman Jones charging in and making contact with an official while protesting Porter’s presence on the field.

Next, Bengals running back Jeremy Hill confronts multiple Steelers following the legal-but-devastating hit applied by Steelers linebacker Ryan Shazier to Bengals running back Gio Bernard, with Hill repeatedly saying, “That’s dirty!” as an official pulls him away.

Then comes Bengals coach Marvin Lewis trying to calm down linebacker Vontaze Burfict, who eventually breaks away from Lewis to yell directly to the NFL Films camera, “They want a wrestling match! They want a wrestling match! We gonna give to to ’em!”

And of course that’s followed by a shot of Burfict’s finishing move on Steelers receiver Antonio Brown. Which, given that Burfict considers it a wrestling match, makes Pacman’s allegation that Brown was “faking” his injury even more understandable.

The package then cuts to the anguish of Hill, whose fumble set up the drive that resulted in the back-to-back penalties (one on Burfict, one on Pacman) that gave the Steelers the game.

It ends with Steelers coach Mike Tomlin meeting Lewis at the middle of the field saying, “I’m sorry about that. I’ll talk to you later.”

The NFL Films highlight package played on NFL Network contained not a single image of the uncanny (and, frankly, not valid) touchdown catch from Steelers receiver Martavis Bryant, who caught the ball behind his leg, got two feet down, and flipped forward out of the end zone.

If a fight had broken out immediately after the score, then maybe it would have made the cut.

Next on the NFL morning show came more highlights under the NFL Replay “Game of the Week” heading. Think about that one for a second. The Seahawks and Vikings played a subzero game for the ages in Minnesota, featuring plenty of big plays and clean hits and memorable images and, ultimately, a devastating miss of a field goal that would have allowed the Vikings to reverse a 31-point blowout from only five weeks before. But the “Game of the Week,” marketed after the fact with the worst moments of the game not the best, gets more attention.

Here’s where I’m tempted to say that the NFL can’t have it both ways. But the NFL is having it both ways, because the NFL knows that, while it has to act like it doesn’t condone thuggish behavior, millions of people love to watch it.

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1 hour ago, HoosierCat said:

The NFL Films highlight package played on NFL Network contained not a single image of the uncanny (and, frankly, not valid) touchdown catch from Steelers receiver Martavis Bryant, who caught the ball behind his leg, got two feet down, and flipped forward out of the end zone.

During the game, I bought that it was an amazing, legit, catch. For some reason. Because now that I watch it again, Florio (and many others) is exactly correct that it was questionable at best. He didn't seem to gain complete control until he only had one foot down on his way out of bounds.

But I'm not going to gripe because it actually was that amazing. If a Bengal ever catches something with his ass, I hope he gets credit, even if it slides around in there a little on his way out of bounds.

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1 hour ago, volcom69 said:

Ryan Shazier says he was not fined for his hit to Gio. Wow NFL way to go, what a joke. Lead with the crown of your helmet and get noasthing! fter 

That is precisely why there will continue to be issues when these two teams play. The Steelers inflict intentional harm, and nothing happens time, after time, after time. The bias is real.

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5 minutes ago, BengalszoneBilly said:

That is precisely why there will continue to be issues when these two teams play. The Steelers inflict intentional harm, and nothing happens time, after time, after time. The bias is real.

Yeah - wow. I was sure there would be a fine.

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1 hour ago, volcom69 said:

Ryan Shazier says he was not fined for his hit to Gio. Wow NFL way to go, what a joke. Lead with the crown of your helmet and get nothing! 

So, I'm trying to understand this so I checked out the NFL page devoted to the rule: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000238662/article/new-nfl-rules-crownofhelmet-change-to-help-runner-defender
 

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A 15-yard penalty will be called if a runner or a tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players clearly are outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle-to-tackle and from 3 yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team's end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or a tackler against an opponent would not be deemed a foul.

So... because Gio was only 1-2 yards beyond the line of scrimmage when he was hit, it sounds like he wasn't protected by this rule. 

If so, THAT needs to change. That was BULLSH*T.

EDIT: also, Florio's explanation....

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/11/shazier-non-call-was-the-right-call/

... the ban against use of the crown of the helmet doesn’t apply in a bang-bang situation. It requires the person delivering the blow with the crown of the helmet to “line up” the target. While close, that’s not what happened between Bernard and Shazier.

... makes no sense to me. Shazier CLEARLY lined him up long before Gio turned around, lowered his head and delivered a blow to Gio's chin. It was brutal and deliberate and, based on the emphasis on player safety, SHOULD be illegal if it's not already.

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1 minute ago, HoosierCat said:

If that had been Burfict he would have been suspended for life.

I see this morning that Antonio Brown has been ruled out for this weekend. Payback's a bitch, Pittsburgh.

Yeah, I really don't want to be a poor sport, but am having a hard time finding a sense of justice and fair play apart from the knowledge that they walked away from that dirty, dirty game at least a little depleted too.

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3 minutes ago, HoosierCat said:

 

5 minutes ago, HoosierCat said:

I see this morning that Antonio Brown has been ruled out for this weekend. Payback's a bitch, Pittsburgh.

With the league doing nothing to protect the bengals from the head hunting, eye gouging, face kicking bullshit the Steelers love to perpetrate, this is where I think the Bengals have finally arrived.  Payback.  For the second year in a row the Steelers enter a playoff game minus a top 3 skill player due to a Bengal defender.  Fuck them and all their slobbering media acolytes.

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