kingwilly Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 If the options are maybe overpaying for Fairley or overpaying for Hall, it should be a no-brainer. We have two r1 picks in he wings at CB, so the team needs them to start being permitted to step up. Still and Thompson are just depth. The team needs Fairley adn MJ more than hey need Hall ans Peko, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm not too excited by the prospect of bringing MJ back now, if they sign Fairley, I'd assume they draft another DE on day one, unless I'm not understanding what MJ would cost (if it's not a lot, sure).I'm surprised there's not more interest in a #2 WR FA though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Tell me Fairley doesn't fit the scheme, tell me he doesn't fit the culture, tell me he doesn't like the food served or even that the towels aren't soft enough.DON'T FUCKING TELL ME THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY !!!That's just laziness and nothing more.Leon fucking Hall. LEON HALL DAMNIT !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Tell me Fairley doesn't fit the scheme, tell me he doesn't fit the culture, tell me he doesn't like the food served or even that the towels aren't soft enough.DON'T FUCKING TELL ME THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY !!!That's just laziness and nothing more.Leon fucking Hall. LEON HALL DAMNIT !!!I couldn't have ranted it better myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Is MJ really worth a lot of money? His best year was when Atkins was great, and Dunlap was coming on. The year he left he had what 3 sacks? He had 4 last year? What if Atkins is not the same player again will MJ struggle, I think so. I don't think he's worth a huge contract! Now if you sign Fairly to go with Atkins, and bring in MJ then I say hell yes!!!! Show us change Bengals get this done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm not too excited by the prospect of bringing MJ back now, if they sign Fairley, I'd assume they draft another DE on day one, unless I'm not understanding what MJ would cost (if it's not a lot, sure).I'm surprised there's not more interest in a #2 WR FA though.Cmon Shula, you know they are down to their last roll of dimes. I'd hoped they'd go after a vet WR but they've never had success navigating those waters.I do think this draft class has lots of good WR prospects who could immediately make an impact.I attribute the loss of MJ for the slide in pass rush, since it meant Hunt Clarke and Gilberry had to take on the load and I don't think they could handle the job.Even should they sign MJ and Fairley, they still need to upgrade Thompson and Still, and Peko. I'd expect them to still go after a DE/LB in r1, and a WR or O-line in R2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Hob hole:/>http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/PBS-a-destination-point/5e163742-0295-4173-a6b1-4ede929fe500?campaign=cin:fanshare:twitterShorter Hob Hole: fans want MJ, team mates want MJ, front office wants not to mess up its pretty excel spreadsheet, so...Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 If I read that right, there is nothing that will happen regarding Hall's contract. I find that totally bogus and while it's admirable on a certain level, it creates a super tough situation economically for the team and roster. Paying for something they didn't get, and won't get. That's bad business in my book. Seems arbitrary and selective for Hall to be the deal they bite the bullet on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'm not too excited by the prospect of bringing MJ back now, if they sign Fairley, I'd assume they draft another DE on day one, unless I'm not understanding what MJ would cost (if it's not a lot, sure).I'm surprised there's not more interest in a #2 WR FA though.Cmon Shula, you know they are down to their last roll of dimes. I'd hoped they'd go after a vet WR but they've never had success navigating those waters.I do think this draft class has lots of good WR prospects who could immediately make an impact.I attribute the loss of MJ for the slide in pass rush, since it meant Hunt Clarke and Gilberry had to take on the load and I don't think they could handle the job.Even should they sign MJ and Fairley, they still need to upgrade Thompson and Still, and Peko. I'd expect them to still go after a DE/LB in r1, and a WR or O-line in R2.It's amazing how quickly $40 mil in cap space goes away when you're busy over-paying your own mediocre players.Reading Hobson's silly puff pieces, you'd think there was a FA orgy going on down at PBS. They've signed one player who wasn't on the roster last year! As a back-up/insurance policy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'm not too excited by the prospect of bringing MJ back now, if they sign Fairley, I'd assume they draft another DE on day one, unless I'm not understanding what MJ would cost (if it's not a lot, sure).I'm surprised there's not more interest in a #2 WR FA though.Cmon Shula, you know they are down to their last roll of dimes. I'd hoped they'd go after a vet WR but they've never had success navigating those waters.I do think this draft class has lots of good WR prospects who could immediately make an impact.I attribute the loss of MJ for the slide in pass rush, since it meant Hunt Clarke and Gilberry had to take on the load and I don't think they could handle the job.Even should they sign MJ and Fairley, they still need to upgrade Thompson and Still, and Peko. I'd expect them to still go after a DE/LB in r1, and a WR or O-line in R2.It's amazing how quickly $40 mil in cap space goes away when you're busy over-paying your own mediocre players.Reading Hobson's silly puff pieces, you'd think there was a FA orgy going on down at PBS. They've signed one player who wasn't on the roster last year! As a back-up/insurance policy!And he broke the bank...........damn you AJ Hawk, damn you! Lol Hobson is just crazy with his talks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I commit here and now to send in a roll of dimes so that they are down to their second-to-last (rather than last) roll of dimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Tell me Fairley doesn't fit the scheme, tell me he doesn't fit the culture, tell me he doesn't like the food served or even that the towels aren't soft enough.DON'T FUCKING TELL ME THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY !!!That's just laziness and nothing more.Leon fucking Hall. LEON HALL DAMNIT !!!I couldn't have ranted it better myself Thanks, glad my anger didn't go unappreciated !!!See Hoosier, not always cool, calm, and collected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Look at cornerback Leon Hall staring at a near $10 million cap count in the last year of his second contract. Hall struggled last season coming off his second Achilles’ surgery, but there has been no hint of a reduction or an extension to lower the cap count. The Bengals don’t like to push money into future years, but they also know building up trust with respected leaders like Geathers and Hall is noticed in the locker room. Plus, they've got great regard for what Hall has meant on and off the field and the commitment he showed to both rehabs.So to be clear, Hall has had 2 Achilles' surgeries, the team notes that he's struggled, and that he's counting almost 10 million against the cap.They could improve the roster with the addition of both Fairley and MJ, but since Hall showed commitment to both of his rehabs, those two are out.No restructure, no moving on even though there are two younger first round CB's who are waiting their chance, no additions to improve things.God forbid we do that, because it would be hard to get future free agents to come to Cincinnati in 2016.I mean, OH NO, no future AJ Hawk signings ?? Back to the 90's with the team. How they shovel this bullshit and think fans are simply going to swallow is an absolute shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Serious question here... The bengals admit they frontload contracts. They admit they don't borrow from next year's cap. Ok. My question is where is the money? Where has it gone? Not to Daltons team friendly deal. Not to MJ last year. Not to out of house free agents. I'm daft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Just reading up on the bengals cap to figure out my own question. FYI: Lamur, Vincent Rey, and Peko all have 0 dead money this year. Those three cut alone would open more than 8.5 million in cap space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Serious question here... The bengals admit they frontload contracts. They admit they don't borrow from next year's cap. Ok. My question is where is the money? Where has it gone? Not to Daltons team friendly deal. Not to MJ last year. Not to out of house free agents. I'm daft!The two biggest offenses against the cap IMO are Hall and AJ Green. As already covered, Hall is eating up 9.6 million in cap space. Showing him the door would free up nearly $8 million.Green is set to play the season on his fifth-year option, which is a whopping $10.1 million. They could do a long-term deal that significantly reduces that number.But the structure of the Maualuga deal is a glowing neon sign that they aren't interested in such moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 @AdamSchefter: Recently-released Bucs DE Michael Johnson's first visit will be with the Minnesota Vikings, per source.Sigh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Mean while the bengals will wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 We're letting that market come to us, baby!If we just hang on a couple more weeks, we'll be able to pick up some 33-year-old DE coming off a knee injury for next to nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Just read about Brandon Browner visiting the Saints and a deal being discussed in the 5-6M range. Good Lord, and here the Bengals sit, seemingly pleases as punch with $10M for Hall all but assured.Could get Browner and Fairley... For Hall and Peko money. Tell me honestly, which players would help this team the most? And why can't the Bengals think about it I those terms and entertain these scenarios? To me, this is just not that hard...Or consider it this way, indy has made some serious moves to improve with Gore and Andre Johnson and Trent Cole and Kendall Langford, cutting Wayne in the process. It's not keeping up with the Jones's. They need to beat the Jones's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Could get Browner and Fairley... For Hall and Peko money. Peko is NOT getting cut this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Could get Browner and Fairley... For Hall and Peko money. Peko is NOT getting cut this yearThan this management should be fired. All they are doing is rearranging furniture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 The coaches like Peko and want him around for what he offers in terms of leadership, character and guidance to the younger guys. Also I expect they think with an improved D-lin and a reduced role that Peko can still be an effective player for this coming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 The coaches like Peko and want him around for what he offers in terms of leadership, character and guidance to the younger guys. Also I expect they think with an improved D-lin and a reduced role that Peko can still be an effective player for this coming season.Oh, I get it. I do. I eve like Peko but they finally dumped Geathers, so I was hopeful that pired with ML saying "change" was coming mean they'd take full advantage of their salary cap position and truly work to improve the team in critical areas. I was way off. They've done more than usual but I can't point to one area but Lb where improvement many occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 They've done more than usual Well they've signed an outside player (AJ Hawk) during the first week which is different for the Bengals.Other than that its been "sign your own" and plug the depth chart (as in the AJ Hawk signing).Business as usual in my eyes, just a few days earlier this time round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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