ArmyBengal Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Browner at a 5-6 range ??Unreal.Leon Hall better solve world peace for what he's getting paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I posted in another thread the activities the team has been busy with, and that's all great but if this team won't make the kind of moves that regularly occur in the NFL to unload disadvantageous contracts that hamper the improvement of the team, then they might as well line up with 10 players every other down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 The coaches like Peko and want him around for what he offers in terms of leadership, character and guidance to the younger guys. Then release him and rehire him as an asst coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Then release him and rehire him as an asst coachI'm sure that will come, I just get the feeling that this year they still think he has something to offer on the field as a bit-part player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/12/saints-deal-with-brandon-browner-almost-finished/Browner a saint, and for really good value. Wtf, brown family? Glad they are so comfortable overpaying for Hall. Just ridiculous.... I can't even understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 FWIW, Atlanta is signing DE Adrian Clayborne. The Falcons were a possible destination for MJ since he lives in Atlanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Had to figure it was always going to come down to us or the Vikings.Zimmer had made his admiration of MJ known and I thought he was going to end up there last year.I don't know if Zimmer is a bigger pull than the guys he played with here.Guess we will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Based on what I've read, the issue for the Vikes is they really don't have a spot for MJ. His sport is currently held by Brian Robison but they aren't thought to be ready to move on yet. Robison also gets $2 million guaranteed today and $4 million more in July. So they would be committing a sizeable amount to two players at the same spot. Meanwhile the DE on the other side, Everson Griffen, just got $42.5 million last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Again FWW, just saw a tweet from a Vikings reporter that there's a lot of interest in MJ from teams other than the Bengals and Vikings. So there's that, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Ok so now there's MJ so if bengals do not reach a deal with him, is this free agency a waste or what? Someone explain to me how they got better, or showed that there ready to get over that playoff hump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 @christomasson: Michael Johnson on if the Vikings have offered him a lucrative deal. "Yes, sir.'' He wouldn't give exact numbers, though.Tons more on his timeline, go read it.MJ is keeping a promise to visit Cincy as well but my guess is he ends up with Zim, who has ownership that will actually spend money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Yes he seemed pretty torn about it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Yep, from all the chatter it seems like he being respectful of the Bengals by coming in for a visit. If the Bengals ownership really want him they'll have to put out to make it happen. I just don't see it. Not at this point. It feels like the whole effort here is to click on a basic plan they set out from the beginning. I don't see them laying out the coin they'll need to hold off Zim and Minny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Maybe they surprise us, but it's hard to remember a bigger missed opportunity. For once all the chips fell the Bengals' way. They got all their key guys back and could improve in the biggest area of need with a few million for Fairley and a mid-tier deal for MJ. That frees them up to go almost any direction in the draft. All of this was totally doable and didn't require any huge new contracts and wouldn't have endangered anything in 2016. Instead we appear to be getting the status-quo, wishin-hopin-prayin plan we always get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Maybe they surprise us, but it's hard to remember a bigger missed opportunity. For once all the chips fell the Bengals' way. They got all their key guys back and could improve in the biggest area of need with a few million for Fairley and a mid-tier deal for MJ. That frees them up to go almost any direction in the draft. All of this was totally doable and didn't require any huge new contracts and wouldn't have endangered anything in 2016. Instead we appear to be getting the status-quo, wishin-hopin-prayin plan we always get.I'll hold out hope that they get a deal done with MJ. I think he'd fit right back into the rotation and would help get the D into a good spot. The impact for the draft could mean they can ease off the pressure to take a DE and look at LBs or even a highly rated WR, or take the standard BPA. Not getting Fairley is a bummer, moreso as he revealed his weight is down and he seems to have matured and taken a more PRO approach to his work. Silly to think they lost him due to the small amount of coin that might have been the difference in offers, if the Bengals even put one forth. There are still many holes to address, so I'll be keenly watching what to team does now till the draft. TE is an area of concern to me. Don't want Gresham back, so it might mean TE becomes a draft priority as none of the FA efforts have worked out. Seems like the Oline is in a good spot. Backup QB is another question. Since they probably won't be drafting one. Might come down to a cut Veteran FA who comes available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 @GeoffHobsonCin: Mike Johnson visit has begun. Met with owner Mike Brown before lunching with coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 OK, ready, set, go. What kind if deal for MJ seems to fit? Similar or as Dunlap deal, keeping in mind TB is paying him for the season. MJ GET A RARE double dip chance for 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Latest Hobson update mentions the Bengals were no where near the 1yr 5M the Rams offered to Fairley. Even knowing the Rams deal is loaded with heavy incentives. How can the Bengals be so far off? In the context of what they are paying Peko, I'd have guessed this have been close to or above ths Peko level. If not, then why bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Well, he has an offer from Minny so it has to meet that. I don't know what that that number is. The thing about the Bucs' money means you might be able to get him to take a deal with minimal upfront cash and some guarantees in years two and three.Just throwing out a deal: 5 years, $30 million. Salaries of 3, 3.5, 4.5, 6, 7. Guaranteed signing bonus of $6 million in March 2016. Cap hits 3, 5, 6, 7.5, 8.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Latest Hobson update mentions the Bengals were no where near the 1yr 5M the Rams offered to Fairley. Even knowing the Rams deal is loaded with heavy incentives. How can the Bengals be so far off? In the context of what they are paying Peko, I'd have guessed this have been close to or above ths Peko level. If not, then why bother?The bengals low balled him, as usual. Why they bothered, I dunno. I guess they figured since he has a Moobs-like rep they might get lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Latest Hobson update mentions the Bengals were no where near the 1yr 5M the Rams offered to Fairley. Even knowing the Rams deal is loaded with heavy incentives. How can the Bengals be so far off? In the context of what they are paying Peko, I'd have guessed this have been close to or above ths Peko level. If not, then why bother?The bengals low balled him, as usual. Why they bothered, I dunno. I guess they figured since he has a Moobs-like rep they might get lucky.I think they are playing a dangerous game, placing such a high expectation on the draft, when we've seen guys like Hunt, Clarke, as Still and Thompson kind of flounder I adjusting to the NFL game. Even more, they pick at 21, when the higher rated DEs may be all gone. So here's hoping they get MJ back.... It's just so hard to run an NFL franchise, dontcha know. SMH.the Cincy jungle article attempts to spin it as "smart" that they didnt get Fairely at the numbers the Rams spent because they'd just have to do another deal in 2016, along with all the other FAs up in 2016..... Not sure I see the logic , or inherent issue having yet another player to plan for... But whatever helps folks sleep at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 CJ has gone corporate. All they do is regurgitate the company (Bengals) line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 CJ has gone corporate. All they do is regurgitate the company (Bengals) line.Oh, I don't know. Josh was ranting and raving pretty hard the other day about the lack of Bengals moves in free agency. But, he does seem to settle down after a bit and get tired of all the negativity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Zimmer's going hard after Johnson, not sure if it's about money or not at this point, am guessing if the Bengals' get close enough to whatever the "lucrative" Vikes offers is, then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 CJ has gone corporate. All they do is regurgitate the company (Bengals) line.Oh, I don't know. Josh was ranting and raving pretty hard the other day about the lack of Bengals moves in free agency. But, he does seem to settle down after a bit and get tired of all the negativity.He's been pretty Hobson-like of late. Adding AJ Hawk and even Johnson probably won't be enough to get this team over the hump if they're just going to rely on draft picks and the same players again. They didn't win a playoff game with James Harrison and MJ either in the past. I'm not sure what makes those two types of re-additions and their normal draft situation this year any different.They will need an incredible defense to overcome Dalton's shortcomings. They aren't getting it done at this point, and don't seem to be willing to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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