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palmer had "flu-like" symptoms, which means ESPN will run with one of the following:

A) Palmer got a bad burrito, got a sniffle form the A/C, maybe is PMS'ng.

B) Palmer's elbow is under the microscope, with daily checks, making sure all is well.

C) Elbow is fine but ML is throwing a smokescreen to angle for Vick.

D) This is Carson teaching Chad a lesson about being a half-assed player last pre-season.

Oh, and I am making a note of B. Johnson's hammy injury...is this the start of something?

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I saw the injury to B. Johnson as well and it sounds like he may be out a little while. I really like what B. Johnson has brought to the team and he's the #1 backup at the WILL spot. I'm not sure, but which OLB spot was Michael Johnson getting reps at ?? Opportunity knocking to get more reps ??

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BJ is behind Rivers I believe. Johnson is in a hybrid DE role of sorts (see Rucker) on 3rd downs and it sounds like they are looking at him pretty hard early on to be on the field, on other downs if he can hold up against NFL TE's and OT's when asked.

My concerns with this team are the lack of any sort of experienced/accountable nickel CB, o-line depth and experience, and a craptastic #2 QB that may be worse than Fitz was.

Injuries to the wrong people could literally doom this team quickly, and you know a starter (or two) is going to go down between now and the opener, happens every year, just hope it's at a position of depth (DT/DE/WR/S) and not on the o-line, LB, or CB groups.

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probably an opening for MJ93. guy needs to get on the field.

I agree with Thornton on this. No need to confuse the kid by giving him dual responsibilities when he's trying to learn a new playbook and adapting to the speed of the NFL. Make him a pass rushing DE.

All reports are showing Maualuga as having above average pass rushing instincts, which makes the need to put MJ there even less. Let M. Johnson be a DE, if not for his entire career... at least for his rookie season.

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Since this is about Carson's elbow and maybe a possible replacement, the Patriots released Matt Gutierrez, who many thought would have come in last year instead of Cassell and the Pats were keeping as they thought he was in their long term plans. I'm not saying this is the guy of the future for us, but I am saying I HATE our depth at the position and keeping options open couldn't hurt anything in the least.

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Seems to be the elbow still is not the only thing to be concerned about. We can't forget Carson's knee. Carson hasn't...

He's giving information based on Brady's situation, but it's interesting insight to Carson's own knee rehabilitation.

PFT was also running a blurb about this as well.

Reporting from Foxborough, Mass. -- As a three-time Super Bowl champion and former NFL most valuable player, New England quarterback Tom Brady is used to having fans fall at his feet.

The big question: Can he get comfortable with players doing the same?

Brady, who suffered a season-ending knee injury in the first quarter of last season's opener, says he feels fine now and is looking forward to showing his recovery is complete.

"I've kind of made a concerted effort to move on," he said. "That was last season and this is this season."

But Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer, who in early 2006 suffered a remarkably similar knee injury, said the psychological effects linger even now.

"The biggest part was the mental block of the confidence of following though on your throws," said Palmer, who, like Brady, suffered tears of the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments in his left knee.

"Still to this day I'm trying to get over this mental block. There's just somebody somewhere near you -- because your eyes are so focused downfield and you're looking at five different things in one play -- that there's somebody two yards away from you, two inches away from you, eight yards away from you, and you feel that."

What's more, Palmer said, it's very easy for bad things to happen to your passes if you fail to complete your throwing motion.

"It's just something where you've got to go out on a limb and just say, 'I'm going to step through every throw,' " he said, speaking last month at the NFL 101 event in Los Angeles. "Because what happens is the ball starts sailing on you, balls start dying, interceptions happen, tipped balls happen, and your completion percentage drastically goes down."

To some extent, Palmer's numbers reflect that. He sustained the injury on the first pass play of a divisional playoff game against Pittsburgh, and returned to action in training camp seven months later after a rigorous rehabilitation. Although his completion percentage dropped significantly from 2005 to 2006, from 67.8% to 62.3%, he threw for more than 4,000 yards in his first season back, something he had never done.

Brady, meanwhile, is essentially coming off an MVP season in which he threw an NFL-record 50 touchdown passes and led the Patriots to an unprecedented 16-0 record in the regular season. They wound up losing to the New York Giants in the Super Bowl and finished 18-1.

After sitting out each of the exhibition games last summer because of a hurt foot, Brady made his debut in the opener against Kansas City, and the gruesome knee injury happened midway through the first quarter. He was hit on the knee by Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard as he was throwing -- the type of cover-your-eyes collision that every quarterback dreads.

"The situation he was in was the worst you could be in as a quarterback that's taking a hit," Hall of Famer John Elway said. "That's the nightmare hit, where you're rolled over the front leg and let go of a pass, and the guy hits you in the front left leg."

Elway played each of his 16 seasons without an anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee, and had knee-replacement surgery on that leg once his career was over. He understands what Palmer is saying, and agrees with it.

Asked if he thought Brady would need time to recover from the psychological impact of the hit, Elway said: "Yeah, there's no question. Especially the way he got hit. That thing planted when he was coming over the top of it, so it's going to take a little bit of time for him to get used to that. I don't think it will affect him too much, but there's no question that will be there. Psychologically, he's got to get used to people falling at his feet again. He was locked out when he got hit last year."

Patriots Coach Bill Belichick said that for a player, dealing with the mental fallout from any serious injury "is a hurdle no one can talk you through."

"I think that's pretty common with all players," Belichick said. "Guy has a shoulder injury and he can bench press more than he did before. But until he actually goes out there and tackles somebody and has a collision with it, he probably doesn't have the same confidence in it that he did. And then when that does happen. . . .

"You know plenty of guys who have come back off injuries, and after they've been hit there, or they've hit somebody or whatever it is, then they're like, 'OK, I knew it was strong. But now I've had that, I held up and I know I'm good.' "

People who know Brady don't seem overly concerned. He's a rare competitor who so far has made a remarkable recovery. He's eager to show he's the same player everyone remembers, and seems unfazed by the brace he now wears on his left knee.

"You forget about it," he said. "It's the last thing I'm thinking about out here. I've got so many other things to think about, trying to complete the ball. You put the thing on and then you take it off. I don't think too much of it."

As for the thought of players coming oh-so-close to his reconstructed knee?

"I think that's just part of the process," he said. "We'll see when that comes up. There will be plenty of guys to test it. Out here in practice, there are guys flying around. I'm going to get hit plenty this year, so I'm sure it will hold up and I'll be just fine."

To hear Palmer tell it, however, the true test won't come until the regular season begins.

"The only way you get through that mental block is repetitions, and repetitions in live games when guys can hit you low and hit you high," he said. "Practice is practice, Tom Brady's been through football practices. Practice is nothing.

"It's the game, when people are coming after you."


/>http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-tom-brady9-2009aug09,0,1673970.story

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Ligaments can and do heal on their own. Especially with rest and the proper rehab which I'm sure he did. In the original post when asking about an ACL healing on its own, your right that one will not. When you tear a ligament blood cells "clot" and form a bridge from each end of the broken ligament, then heal from there. Due to the fluids in the middle of your knee when the blood cells go to the ACL to clot, the fluid doesn't allow it to stick and form the "bridge" so surgery is the only way to repair a torn ACL.

No I'm not a doctor, i'm laying in bed 2 weeks removed from ACL surgery. Thats what my doc told me.

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BJ is behind Rivers I believe. Johnson is in a hybrid DE role of sorts (see Rucker) on 3rd downs and it sounds like they are looking at him pretty hard early on to be on the field, on other downs if he can hold up against NFL TE's and OT's when asked.

My concerns with this team are the lack of any sort of experienced/accountable nickel CB, o-line depth and experience, and a craptastic #2 QB that may be worse than Fitz was.

Injuries to the wrong people could literally doom this team quickly, and you know a starter (or two) is going to go down between now and the opener, happens every year, just hope it's at a position of depth (DT/DE/WR/S) and not on the o-line, LB, or CB groups.

Noone is worse than Fitz. The dude is straight garbage and if he couldn't scramble he would be out of the league. I reconfirmed my hatred for him in the first half of the hall of fame game.

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Has anyone heard of ligaments and tendons healing on their own? Name the last torn ACL that healed with rest? I am no doctor, so I don't know. I'm just hoping that after 2 games Palmer has to go down for the season. Someone tell me it will be alright.

Barry Larkin had a partially torn elbow ligament in 1989 that healed fine with out surgery.

To refresh your memory:


/>http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/15/sports/sports-people-baseball-larkin-out-with-injury.html

His elbow will be fine. My guess is if the Bengals played another month last year, he would have returned.

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Has anyone heard of ligaments and tendons healing on their own? Name the last torn ACL that healed with rest? I am no doctor, so I don't know. I'm just hoping that after 2 games Palmer has to go down for the season. Someone tell me it will be alright.

Barry Larkin had a partially torn elbow ligament in 1989 that healed fine with out surgery.

To refresh your memory:


/>http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/15/sports/sports-people-baseball-larkin-out-with-injury.html

His elbow will be fine. My guess is if the Bengals played another month last year, he would have returned.

So, if Fitz just could have gotten them to the SB there would have been a QB controversy to deal with!!! Just the Bengals luck, everytime they get to the big game something comes up. :lmao:

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