BengalszoneBilly Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Both are great fighters, but I think Lesnar really wants revenge for his earlier tap out. I think he'll find it Saturday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Lesnar looks pretty d*mn big, but I'll give the edge to Mir, who is a more seasoned fighter.Anything can happen in UFC, so I think it should be a good fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Lesnar messed Mir's face up pretty badly in just a round or so in the first fight. Mir submitted him, but I believe Lesnar will avoid that this time and win. On another issue, the UFC says they test for steroids. Matt Hughes is obviously on them, as are several other fighters. Lesnar looks pretty suspicious to me as well, and he came from McMahon's outfit where steroid use is pretty much mandatory. What kind of "testing" are they doing over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I'm leaning towards Frank Mir the dude is amazing,but I wouldn't be surprised if brocks brute force pulled out a win...He just has keep himself out of situations where he's going to be submitted....I'm also going with the Pitbull over GSP.On another issue, the UFC says they test for steroids. Matt Hughes is obviously on them, as are several other fighters. Lesnar looks pretty suspicious to me as well, and he came from McMahon's outfit where steroid use is pretty much mandatory. What kind of "testing" are they doing over there?Brock looks like he has came off steroids since wrestling,He was 300+ lbs when working for the WWE and a hella lot bigger...As for other fighters in the UFC I know Sean Sherk & Stephon Bonnar failed tests but I think it was "over counter stuff" they claimed Kinda like you hear in the nfl...difference is Fighters get tested every single fight and even if they test positive for pain killers or weed they can be stripped of their win a.k.a Nick Diaz & Karo ParisyanWWE BrockUFC BrockNotice the lack of neck back in the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Btw you just claiming matt hughes on steriods? or? Just going fact of his strength for that weight division?Doesn't really looker like a roider to me.Other WW's who are ripped as shet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Btw you just claiming matt hughes on steriods? or? Just going fact of his strength for that weight division?Doesn't really looker like a roider to me.I agree here. Hughes simply looks like a guy who moderately lifts weights to me. I doubt he's juicing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Ya Matt Hughes like the other 2 guys I posted so much powerful then everyone else because they cut weight,If i'm not mistaken Matt cuts 25-30 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Henderson spoils Bispings hope of getting a title shot in EnglandGSP keeps his title via decision....\can't wait for Mir & brock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Brock ain't no joke he was smart and used his power well...Wonder who he fights next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Both are great fighters, but I think Lesnar really wants revenge for his earlier tap out. I think he'll find it Saturday night.Called it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 until dana white can some how get fedor to fight in the ufc. the ufc heavy wieght champs are really just paper champs. not trying to knock lesnar or mir, but a guy with just 4 fights is a champ. that just shows how lacking the heavy weight division in the ufc is. if lesnar wants to be the best, then he has to beat the best. which hands down is fedor emelianenko. so dana pull your head out of your butt and get FEDOR!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 That's good for Lesnar as he made a HUGE mistake in their first bout. Funny thing for me watching UFC is I really don't care who wins the fights, I just enjoy watching the match. When I watch boxing for some reason, I tend to pick a guy I want to win. Anyway...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I love the extra something at the end to shut the count up... http://www.dailymotion.com/us/lang/en/channel/sport/video/x9u9ep_001-henbis_sport Brock vs Frank http://www.dailymotion.com/us/lang/en/channel/sport/video/x9ua5h_001-lesmir_sportGSP http://www.dailymotion.com/us/lang/en/channel/sport/video/x9u9u5_001-gspalvb_sport http://www.dailymotion.com/us/lang/en/channel/sport/video/x9u9tw_001-gspalva_sportOther fights/>http://www.dailymotion.com/us/lang/en/channel/sport/video/x9u9aw_001-kimgra_sport />http://www.dailymotion.com/us/lang/en/channel/sport/video/x9u99i_001-akibel_sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 until dana white can some how get fedor to fight in the ufc. the ufc heavy wieght champs are really just paper champs. not trying to knock lesnar or mir, but a guy with just 4 fights is a champ. that just shows how lacking the heavy weight division in the ufc is. if lesnar wants to be the best, then he has to beat the best. which hands down is fedor emelianenko. so dana pull your head out of your butt and get FEDOR!!!It appears Dana White is trying to do that very thing! Plus Dana really gave Brock a post fight ass chewing:The Lesnar showBy Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! SportsLAS VEGAS – So Brock Lesnar, in the parlance of pro wrestling, had gone straight heel.After bludgeoning Frank Mir to retain the Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight championship at the hyped UFC 100, the former pro wrestling star decided to put on a real show.Lesnar ran around the octagon flipping off the Mandalay Bay Events Center crowd with both middle fingers. He shouted at Mir as the challenger sat on a stool trying to regain his equilibrium. Mir stood up and they went sort of nose-to-broken nose before Lesnar cackled with laughter.In the post-fight interview, Lesnar encouraged the booing fans to “keep going” before continuing to taunt Mir.No one and nothing was spared. Lesnar even turned his attention to the UFC itself, which paid him an estimated $3 million for the fight, pointing at the giant Bud Light advertisement in the middle of the octagon.“I’m drinking a cooler full of Coors Light, Coors Light because Bud Light won’t pay me anything.”Anything for the children at home, big guy?“Hell, I might even get on top of my wife tonight.”With his clown-show antics, Brock Lesnar just became the greatest villain in modern fighting. From refusing to tap gloves prefight in a sportsmanlike ritual to this over-the-top rant that came right out of the silly wrestling circus.“Straight WWE,” said a stunned Dana White, the president of the UFC. “Brock went so far over the top tonight I can’t even describe it. I don’t think in the history of the UFC we’ve ever done anything like that.”Postfight, White pushed his way into Lesnar’s crowded locker room and took the big guy into the bathroom for a private “discussion.” Lesnar himself described it as “a whip-the-dog session.”“With women in here you don’t want to know what I said,” White said. It worked, Brock showed up at the press conference smiling, supposedly contrite and even drinking a Bud Light.“First and foremost I want to apologize,” Lesnar said. “I acted very unprofessionally after the fight. I screwed up and I apologize. I apologize to Bud Light. I’m not biased, I drink any beer.”It was mostly a chance for laugh lines, but it was still an apology. Lesnar said the pent-up energy of avenging a loss to Mir caused him to go crazy. “I’m a sore loser,” he said. “I don’t like to get beat. I believe I gave that fight to him. So there was a lot of emotion in this fight for me.“Man, I was so jacked up. I’m used to selling pay-per-view tickets. I come from a business that is purely the entertainment business.”And so that was the excuse. Lesnar didn’t flip, he just flipped the switch back into Vince McMahon’s operation where nothing is too over the top. The UFC, however, is real and it has tried to position itself not as a blood sport but one based on sportsmanship and mutual respect.Lesnar did the UFC no favors in that regard. And neither did veteran Dan Henderson, who dropped a vicious forearm smash on an already knocked out and prone Michael Bisping on the undercard. Henderson then admitted he did it on purpose to avenge prefight trash talk. The UFC even went on to award him its $100,000 “knockout of the night” bonus. White also gave Henderson a talking to, but Henderson still said it “felt good.”The damage done to the UFC’s mainstream momentum remains to be seen. While some will be repulsed, others will be drawn in. It’s cage fighting, after all. Things get out of hand.That this occurred on the promotion’s biggest night, when the numerical significance of the card was expected to bring in a large first-time audience, wasn’t appreciated by the UFC. The night was electric and highly entertaining. And while it is likely to most offend people who weren’t disposed to giving mixed martial arts a chance in the first place, White was aghast at Lesnar’s act. This isn’t what he built. This isn’t what he wanted.“What he’s doing out there tonight is not real,” White said. “You don’t have to act like something you’re not. This isn’t the WWE. I don’t ask these guys to act crazy so we get more pay per views. That’s not the business I’m in.”In the meantime, the cementing of Lesnar’s reputation as the promotion’s most hated man is done.“Brock hasn’t made himself very loveable,” White said. “They hate Brock.” For the UFC, a classic villain is business gold. He’s the ultimate leading man for the organization. Some loathe him. Some love him. No one can ignore him. For those seeking his comeuppance however, there isn’t a WWE storyline that can be written to stop him.Lost in the antics was Lesnar’s performance, a brilliant effort that showed both his growth as a mixed martial artist and the immense potential. The question becomes, who the heck can tame this mountain of a man from the Minnesota woods?Shane Carwin? Cain Velasquez? Mir in a final chapter of a trilogy of fights? No doubt they’ll get a chance, and no doubt they stand a chance.The greatest beneficiary of each Lesnar snarl, however, lives in Stary Oskol, Russia, a man named Fedor Emelianenko who is considered the No. 1 heavyweight (if not pound-for-pound fighter) in the world. If anyone has the knockout power to stop the 6-3, 265-pound Lesnar, it’s Emelianenko.Fedor doesn’t fight in the UFC though. He’s with its rival promotion, Affliction. He’ll fight Aug. 1 in Anaheim, Calif., in what is the last match of his contract. Affliction is hoping to re-sign him until 2012, but the UFC will come hard after him. More now then ever. And that means money, big money.“Eventually Fedor is going to be here,” White said. “I want Fedor. We’ll end up getting that deal done and then we’ll do Brock vs. Fedor and we’ll do a huge fight.”Time will tell, but the pressure to sign the elusive Russian has been ratcheted up. A villain was born and there isn’t an obvious superhero in sight. The UFC brought Brock Lesnar over from the WWE for just this kind of a sensation. And the big man has delivered – the good, the bad and the embarrassing.Only Dana White has no scriptwriters that can contain him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Hahahahaha. Bisbing got proper f**ked. Cocky northern bastard. Deserved it for that wanky little scream to camera before the fight if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 until dana white can some how get fedor to fight in the ufc. the ufc heavy wieght champs are really just paper champs. not trying to knock lesnar or mir, but a guy with just 4 fights is a champ. that just shows how lacking the heavy weight division in the ufc is. if lesnar wants to be the best, then he has to beat the best. which hands down is fedor emelianenko. so dana pull your head out of your butt and get FEDOR!!!Yep. It would be a quick fight though. Not wanting to stereotype (so here I go doing exactly that) but there's crazy and there's Russian crazy. I hope he calls it quits when the time is right though. It's embarrassing watching Crocop nowadays for instance and the clock is ticking. I was actually watching some old UFC tapes. No weight divisions etc. Some horrible mismatches. Like watching a vegetarian circus clown vs. pirate robot ninja. It's a miracle there weren't dozens of deaths. Some of the poor schleps got messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Btw you just claiming matt hughes on steriods? or? Just going fact of his strength for that weight division?Doesn't really looker like a roider to me.Other WW's who are ripped as shet.You know, more than anything, it's his head. I saw pictures of him in his wrestling days, then pictures of him now, and it looked to me like his head grew a few sizes. That massively wide jaw and protruding forehead are both characteristic of steroid use. But not all guys get the bodybuilder type musculature. For instance, Rafael Palmero and a bunch of other baseball players. I don't have any evidence Hughes used steroids, just a suspicion. I've also watched UFC shows where it was obvious that some guys were on them. They throw those shows together with old fights, so some of those may have been before they began to test. It is hard to think of a sport where steroids won't help, but MMA (particularly the grueling training) really benefits from steroid use. I love the UFC so I hope they clean it out and keep it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 From my understanding Matt Hughes didn't pick up wrestling till he started training...I'm not even a Matt Hughes fan (BJ is my favorite WW) But I've just never read anything that has implied he has roided ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmanation Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Lesner is just too powerful for anyone in the UFC Heavyweight division right now. Not one single UFC fighter has a chance against him right now. I can't wait to see the next Ultimate Fighter with Rampage(my favorite fighter) and Rashad Evens. They are going to be training heavyweights and one of them is internet famed Kimbo Slice. I can't wait to see what Kimbo actually can do in the UFC, alot of people chirped him saying he wouldn't survive in the UFC and now we get to find out.I still think Kimbo vs. Brock would be the closest thing to fair right now for the UFC since Fedor will not sign with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Ya I look forward to Rampage vs Evans,I guess Jackson turned down a title shot just to do the show because of his dislike for evans...He's one of my favorite fighters too I like someone with some character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Ya Matt Hughes like the other 2 guys I posted so much powerful then everyone else because they cut weight,If i'm not mistaken Matt cuts 25-30 lbs.You are mistaken... Matt Hughes weighs in at 170. There's no way he's walking around at 200 lbs the rest of the time. He's 190 max.Most fighters cut as much weight as they can though. It's part of the sport, unless you are Frank Mir and have no need to, or Urijah Faber and choose not to.As far as the roid conversation... just the nature of the sport is going to cause many of its athletes to look for whatever advantage they can find. Hell, I do MMA as a hobby twice a week and have been looking for supplements to help me heal faster. That said, I've read that the UFC steroid policy is the closest to the Olympic Games of any American sports. Ken Shamrock just received a year long suspension this past March after his first positive test. That's a far stiffer penalty than what any of the major American sports would give.Also... there is no conflict of interest as the state gaming commissions are the ones responsible for the testing.There will always be people who find ways around, guys who look for an edge with something that can't be tested for... but compared to other sports, the UFC is reasonably clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted August 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Yo bros...a replay of this fight is coming up on Spike! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Ya Matt Hughes like the other 2 guys I posted so much powerful then everyone else because they cut weight,If i'm not mistaken Matt cuts 25-30 lbs.You are mistaken... Matt Hughes weighs in at 170. There's no way he's walking around at 200 lbs the rest of the time. He's 190 max.Most fighters cut as much weight as they can though. It's part of the sport, unless you are Frank Mir and have no need to, or Urijah Faber and choose not to.Just going off what one of shows said,I think it was when he was the Coach of TuF and they were talking about Bobby Southworth having to cut weight on the first season(He had to cut 25 pounds)I know GSP & Alves are considered fairly large Welterweights too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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