[BengalPimp]

HairOnFire, on 01 April 2010 - 03:31 PM, said:

Dadraftnick, on 01 April 2010 - 01:28 PM, said:

In '08 Javid Best averaged 8.1 yards per carry! 8.1 yards per carry! and he ran for 1580 yds- 8.1 yards per carry is almost averaging a 1st down every carry.

Wow, that average per rush is ALMOST as good as Ki-Jana Carter's was back in the day.

No ninja.

Hey, I saw Ki-Jana Carter first hand from the opposing sideline in the '95 Rose Bowl. Let me tell you, while i played offense not defense, what I saw, and what my teammates said, he was a helluva back. He was quick, but ran with power and had powerful legs (big thighs). Had he not tore up his knee he would have been damn good.

Best is just quick, no power.

[Wraith]

Spiller is a heck of a back, he is capable of being Chris Johnson-esque, fast enough to beat anyone around a corner but has good enough vision to slip between the tackles and pound it inside, good hands and a capable route runner, can stretch the field deep. Spiller will be special IMHO and the Bengals have filled enough holes that if they think he is the best player available they can take him regardless of need. If Thomas and Mays are gone at Safety, They elect to wait on a TE, and Iupati is gone no issues with Spiller at all.

[BengalPimp]

Wraith, on 01 April 2010 - 04:58 PM, said:

Spiller is a heck of a back, he is capable of being Chris Johnson-esque,

More likely to be Reggie Bush-esque....Not a compliment, and may not even be that good.

["babyshanks"]

Several months ago, before Bernard Scott emerged, and it looked like Benson was the only RB on the roster, there were a good number of mock drafts that had Spiller going to the Bengals.

I went to YouTube and watched some of the highlights, and even was lucky enough to watch a good deal of a Clemson game one Saturday. Despite my best effort, I could not manage to get excited about using a 1st round pick on him.

Now, with Bernard Scott showing that he has NFL ready talent, I'm dead against it. If they draft a RB, I want him to be Thunder, not Lightning.

[HairOnFire]

BengalPimp, on 01 April 2010 - 04:13 PM, said:

Hey, I saw Ki-Jana Carter first hand from the opposing sideline in the '95 Rose Bowl. Let me tell you, while i played offense not defense, what I saw, and what my teammates said, he was a helluva back. He was quick, but ran with power and had powerful legs (big thighs). Had he not tore up his knee he would have been damn good.

You're preaching to the choir because I too believe had he stayed healthy Carter would have been a monster...as implied by his even better 8.4 yards per carry average as a senior.

I don't know if there's a point worth making here, but reading Dadraftnick's remark about Best averaging nearly a first down per carry reminded me of how often I read the very same thing about Carter all those years ago.

(((sigh)))

[kingwilly]

one word: NO

[redsbengalsbucks]

ArmyBengal, on 01 April 2010 - 04:01 PM, said:

I would rather see us get someone who can fill Benson's shoes, should he not be returning the following year or (God forbid) get hurt.
Neither Best nor Spiller are that between the tackles kind of runner and last time I checked, we still had Bernard Scott...

Mays in the first, Gerhardt in the second sounds OK to me. But I would rather have a G in the second, or G in 1st and S in 2nd.

[Bengalszone Billy]

BPA. Every round. If it's a RB, fine. A WR, fine. IMO this is the year to stock up on talent.

[cincyhokie]

Bengalszone Billy, on 01 April 2010 - 10:13 PM, said:

BPA. Every round. If it's a RB, fine. A WR, fine. IMO this is the year to stock up on talent.

I'm definately looking more forward to this draft than in years past.

Two 3rds and two 4ths? Sounds good to me.

[wpdios]

"babyshanks", on 01 April 2010 - 05:48 PM, said:

Now, with Bernard Scott showing that he has NFL ready talent, I'm dead against it. If they draft a RB, I want him to be Thunder, not Lightning.

This right here. Scott can take up the smaller back role. We need someone to take over for Benson, because at the load he has taken on, he won't last long even if they do resign him. And this is a great draft to do this in. A lot of big powerful backs.

That said, if all your targets are gone, and Spiller is there, you should have no trouble finding a trading partner.

[cincyhokie]

"babyshanks", on 01 April 2010 - 05:48 PM, said:

Several months ago, before Bernard Scott emerged, and it looked like Benson was the only RB on the roster, there were a good number of mock drafts that had Spiller going to the Bengals.

I went to YouTube and watched some of the highlights, and even was lucky enough to watch a good deal of a Clemson game one Saturday. Despite my best effort, I could not manage to get excited about using a 1st round pick on him.

Now, with Bernard Scott showing that he has NFL ready talent, I'm dead against it. If they draft a RB, I want him to be Thunder, not Lightning.

Imagine if the Jets hadn't traded up to take Shonn Greene from us. There's your thunder right there.

[BengalPimp]

wpdios, on 01 April 2010 - 10:39 PM, said:

That said, if all your targets are gone, and Spiller is there, you should have no trouble finding a trading partner.

If Spiller is still there at #21 and Mays/Bryant maybe even Thomas are gone, I'm on the phone with San Diego at #28. They should have no trouble picking up another 3rd, probably more if we actually had a GM to pull it off.
#28 should still be able to get us some good players like C/G Maurkice Pouncey, DE Everson Griffin, maybe TE Jermaine Gresham (doubt he falls past New England at #22 though) , WR Golden Tate, NT Terrence Cody, I've seen mocks with Iupati slipping that low, or if they really want a RB Ryan Mathews is more of a "bell cow"

[Kazkal]

BengalPimp, on 02 April 2010 - 12:45 AM, said:

wpdios, on 01 April 2010 - 10:39 PM, said:

That said, if all your targets are gone, and Spiller is there, you should have no trouble finding a trading partner.

If Spiller is still there at #21 and Mays/Bryant maybe even Thomas are gone, I'm on the phone with San Diego at #28. They should have no trouble picking up another 3rd, probably more if we actually had a GM to pull it off.
#28 should still be able to get us some good players like C/G Maurkice Pouncey, DE Everson Griffin, maybe TE Jermaine Gresham (doubt he falls past New England at #22 though) , WR Golden Tate, NT Terrence Cody, I've seen mocks with Iupati slipping that low, or if they really want a RB Ryan Mathews is more of a "bell cow"

That would be nice....3 rds "drools" ^_^

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

HairOnFire, on 19 March 2010 - 07:48 PM, said:

So if they want him Benson is a Bengal for at least two seasons, and that's plenty. In fact, when you think about the wear RB's endure it may be perfect. To be fair, I'd love to see the Bengals extend Benson's contract if the terms are reasonable. But it's simply not a deal they have to make now. It can even be argued that Benson is better served by a contract extension now than the Bengals would be.

I completely agree. To use an analogy, there's a reason that car dealers put in mileage limits on leases. It's so you don't return the car after the third year with 275,000 miles. That's poor old Benson. If this keeps up, he won't be worth a damn after two more years.

By 2012, he'll be just shy of 30 years old and used like Pam Anderson. I could see giving him two more years for 2011 and 2012, maybe 2013 if the contract is reasonably back-loaded to give the Bengals an exit. But by then he'll be in pieces.

[tdlong]

DC_Bengals_Fan, on 02 April 2010 - 09:57 AM, said:

HairOnFire, on 19 March 2010 - 07:48 PM, said:

So if they want him Benson is a Bengal for at least two seasons, and that's plenty. In fact, when you think about the wear RB's endure it may be perfect. To be fair, I'd love to see the Bengals extend Benson's contract if the terms are reasonable. But it's simply not a deal they have to make now. It can even be argued that Benson is better served by a contract extension now than the Bengals would be.

I completely agree. To use an analogy, there's a reason that car dealers put in mileage limits on leases. It's so you don't return the car after the third year with 275,000 miles. That's poor old Benson. If this keeps up, he won't be worth a damn after two more years.

By 2012, he'll be just shy of 30 years old and used like Pam Anderson. I could see giving him two more years for 2011 and 2012, maybe 2013 if the contract is reasonably back-loaded to give the Bengals an exit. But by then he'll be in pieces.

Thomas jones isnt... I understand they are different but they are both workhorses...

[redsbengalsbucks]

BengalPimp, on 02 April 2010 - 12:45 AM, said:

wpdios, on 01 April 2010 - 10:39 PM, said:

That said, if all your targets are gone, and Spiller is there, you should have no trouble finding a trading partner.

If Spiller is still there at #21 and Mays/Bryant maybe even Thomas are gone, I'm on the phone with San Diego at #28. They should have no trouble picking up another 3rd, probably more if we actually had a GM to pull it off.
#28 should still be able to get us some good players like C/G Maurkice Pouncey, DE Everson Griffin, maybe TE Jermaine Gresham (doubt he falls past New England at #22 though) , WR Golden Tate, NT Terrence Cody, I've seen mocks with Iupati slipping that low, or if they really want a RB Ryan Mathews is more of a "bell cow"

Why stock up more picks when some of the ones we have will not make the team this year already.

[Kazkal]

Because it gives you more of a chance at who you want in 3rd round and hopefully make the team in place of a 7th rounder...I'd prefer taking BPA but if theres good chance still getting who we want + a 3rd why not....Look at the patriots they have a shet ton picks this year.

[kingwilly]

The big back from Auburn could be good. Blount from Oregon fits the SoP mold of wayward boys getting a break.

[Kazkal]

Still thing Blount isn't as bad as people think :P He punched a guy at emotional time :P

[kingwilly]

Kazkal, on 03 April 2010 - 04:28 AM, said:

Still thing Blount isn't as bad as people think :P He punched a guy at emotional time :P

I think folks overreacted to the punch. The tool deserved a pop, and it was only a big deal due to the showcase of the game.

Blount reminds me of Brandon Jacobs or Beanie Wells.